More SoE office drama

[WayAbvPar]

I failed my google-fu roll. I desperately wanted to post a pic of Roy Munson drinking 'milk' out of a bucket.

[Roac]

It seems to me that the majority of situations where one woman is resentful over another woman receiving a promotion, and blaming it on "jiggling titties", it's a result of some insecurity or other issue, and much less about any substance.  Not that such promotions don't, haven't, or can't happen - just that they are much more rare than complaining women would lead you to believe. 

Maybe she did get passed up due to lack of jiggles.  I would be more likely to guess that it is her personality (she says she kept to herself - not a desirable attribute for management), hated her job (often such distaste is apparent), hated management (previous++), did not put in hours apparently necessary (sorry, but if it takes "18 hour days" to stand out, then that's what you do), and that management knew about her "hobbies" (would make execs wary).  Depends on how lax the cluture is, but if she was walking around with piercings while on the job, that might be a strike against her too (unprofessional).  All in all, she sounds far too much like a malcontent.  I wouldn't promote someone like her either.

[Evil Elvis]

The chick disliked her previous job, and made (what appears to be) a single post about it.  It's not like she called the BBB or filed some lawsuit.  I really don't see what she's done to draw anyone's ire on this.  Just because she was a bit naive in expecing the general populace to be more than walking, talking shit-bags doesn't mean she deserves to be slammed for it.

Or are we just being callow dickheads today?

[schild]

The chick disliked her previous job, and made (what appears to be) a single post about it.  It's not like she called the BBB or filed some lawsuit.  I really don't see what she's done to draw anyone's ire on this.  Just because she was a bit naive in expecing the general populace to be more than walking, talking shit-bags doesn't mean she deserves to be slammed for it.

Or are we just being callow dickheads today?

We're not being callow dickheads. She's being the WindupNutsackette of SOE. She should have filed a lawsuit if what she says is true.

[Samwise]

She should have filed a lawsuit if what she says is true.

That's pretty much my take.  If her story is true, then it's reprehensible, but there are laws in place that are supposed to help prevent that sort of thing, and she's not taking advantage of them.

[Evil Elvis]

So now she's obligated to hiring a lawyer, and filing a lawsuit because she felt her boss was a prick?

Do you realise how absurd that sounds?


Edit: It's possible her boss didn't do anything she could prove as sexual harrasment.  It's possible it skirted the law.  It's possible it's all some insecure fantasy she made up to make herself feel better.  I don't care.  It's a post on a website about disliking her job.  People bitch about their jobs every day.  I don't see what the big deal here is.

[Signe]

Not everyone in this world is as litigious as you guys seem to be.  Righ had a good lawsuit against the last company he worked for, everyone including lawyers agreed but we didn't sue.  Why?  Mostly because I didn't think I could handle the stress.  So don't be so eager to assume your nature is everyone's... it's not. 

As for Roac:  It's a blessing to have someone like yourself around here to set all us women straight.  I don't know where we get our wild ideas.  Must be all those hormones or something.  And about not promoting people because they have piercings because it's an indication you are malcontent...

[HaemishM]

So now she's obligated to hiring a lawyer, and filing a lawsuit because she felt her boss was a prick?

Do you realise how absurd that sounds?

Not because her boss was a prick. If she thought her boss was promoting based on sexual favors (or sexual discrimination), she's either obliged to hire a lawyer and deal with it or shut the fuck up and stop whining on the Internet.

[Samwise]

If it was preventing her from doing her job well, it's not absurd at all.  Again, those laws exist for a reason.  Companies like SOE have an obligation not to create hostile work environments or somesuch.

On the other hand, if she's happier now and has no regrets about leaving SOE, then I agree it'd be silly to sue because they haven't really hurt her. Which makes the silly thing the fact that she's slinging wild accusations on her blog.

[Signe]

Isn't your blog where you get to whine and complain?

[schild]

So now she's obligated to hiring a lawyer, and filing a lawsuit because she felt her boss was a prick?

Do you realise how absurd that sounds?

Yes. Because that's not what we're saying, at all. She's not obligated to anything. It's just what she should do. Victim of a horrendous amount of sexual harrassment and you can prove it? Go for it. Of course, if I were SOE I'd be all over her ass for libel if it weren't true. Freedom of press doesn't protect you from making your ex-employer look like a bunch of sexual harrasing shovanistic jacktards.

[Stephen Zepp]

Isn't your blog where you get to whine and complain?

I have to go with Signe here--it's not like she went to PCGamer and did an interview or something. She posted an entry in her own .blog...look at it from this perspective: f13 posts more derogatory/libellious statements daily in a public forum, and f13 aims itself to be a community information release point for gamers...throwing stones and all you know?

[Nebu]

I'm of the opinion most lawsuits of this type are more wars of attrition than a search for the truth.  I can understand why she wouldn't want to sue given the big picture.

[Tige]

...look at it from this perspective: f13 posts more derogatory/libellious statements daily in a public forum, and f13 aims itself to be a community information release point for gamers...throwing stones and all you know?

Ziiiinnnngg!!!

Cheap Shot.

Subjective opinions of games and swags about whats going on behind the scenes are quite different than alleging criminal/civil wrongdoing.

[Evil Elvis]

I didn't read anything on her post that screamed sexual harassment or sexual discrimination.

Your boss saying he's gonna need a beej if you want your Christmas bonus: illegal.  Your boss being nice to women who shake their ass and titties: not illegal.

If some unqualified ass kisser got a promotion over you, would you file a lawsuit?  Or would try to get on with your life, and find a better job headed by a better class of people?  We have to deal with things we feel are unfair all the time, but that doesn't mean we're always entitled to sue, or that it's even in our best interest.

And to hold some woman on a forum-moderator salary accountable for taking on the SOE legal deparment because her boss acted like a typical guy?  Crazy.

[Fabricated]

Angry goth chick refuses to debase herself for money so she goes and debases herself for money.

Wake me when she gets around to doing some penetration.

[Stephen Zepp]

...look at it from this perspective: f13 posts more derogatory/libellious statements daily in a public forum, and f13 aims itself to be a community information release point for gamers...throwing stones and all you know?

Ziiiinnnngg!!!

Cheap Shot.

Subjective opinions of games and swags about whats going on behind the scenes are quite different than alleging criminal/civil wrongdoing.

I didn't see anywhere in what was posted where she alleged criminal/civil wrongdoing. She made a blog entry in response to a discussion elsewhere regarding her personal reasons for leaving SOE, including a couple of examples about why she felt she was treated unfairly. Alternatively known as posting her subjective opinions about game developers and personal observations about what was going on behind the scenes.

I also don't think that f13 violates any criminal/civil laws...that wasn't my point. I was more focused on the fact that we here make some pretty strong observations about our opinions, some of which could be taken much more personally than anything I saw her write ;)

[schild]

I didn't see anywhere in what was posted where she alleged criminal/civil wrongdoing. She made a blog entry in response to a discussion elsewhere regarding her personal reasons for leaving SOE, including a couple of examples about why she felt she was treated unfairly. Alternatively known as posting her subjective opinions about game developers and personal observations about what was going on behind the scenes.

Wanna know what turned me off about SOE?  Well, first off I watched a girl with NO experience at all get promoted over me because she waggled her tits at her boss.  I'm not an office flirt whatsoever and tend to keep to myself, so I totally lost on that front because I wasn't willing to go the hoebag omg-let-me-sit-on-ur-lap route.  I was more like "gtf out of my cube and let me work in peace, you fag" so, no promotions for me.  Strike one.  Strike two was the fact that executive staff at SOE just kept making idiotic decisions and leaving Community Relations to clean up the mess.  They outright lied to the customer base on several occasions and made me, who would have preferred to say "yeah we lied, our bad", make up excuses and bullshit that I knew the customer base wouldn't buy.  I HATED that.  Strike three was the management change.  I do not refer to the promotion of Gallenite - that dude was seriously one of my favorite people at the entire company and a total badass to work with - or really to Blackguard either because he busted his ass and really loved the game.  Largely it was the "we want more but will give you less to do it with" atmosphere, the 65-fucking-page-long manual on how to be a good Rep written by Raph Koster, having meetings in order to schedule meetings (wtf??) and Brenlo constantly micromanaging everything once he got promoted.  Prior to that, I liked him just fine and as a person I still do; I just would never want to work under him again because he wants in on everything and I hate that.  All this, coupled with the fact that the job was completely dead-end unless I wanted to flash some titty or work 18 hour days + in unpaid overtime in order to kiss someone's ass hard enough that they would move me onto a different team pretty much killed the magic for me.  I still have a good view of the company but yeah...I was just done with it.  2 years with no movement at all?  Fuck that.  If I have to jiggle my tits in order to get somewhere then I'll do that on my own time where I'll get paid more to do it.  Pure logic, that.

That is a clean cut case of sexual harassment. Ironically, if any of it were true I'd believe the part about her calling her boss a fag before the "tits" gal shows up and takes her precious promotion. I like the second highlighted part though because it shows - A. That she didn't deserve the raise because she has the maturity level of a 3rd grader and B. She's obviously willing to wave her tits around. I just hope she didn't suck any dick on the way through the parking lot. Seriously, she should be blacklisted from the gaming community for this shit. It's the direct opposite of EA_Spouse.

I also don't think that f13 violates any criminal/civil laws...that wasn't my point.

We're more of the whistleblowing type than the "break the laws" type. This woman on the other hand is a whistleblower who might be able to make a solid case but instead takes her deep swelling (har) aggression out on a digital diary. Not a news site. A diary.

I was more focused on the fact that we here make some pretty strong observations about our opinions, some of which could be taken much more personally than anything I saw her write ;)

We're obviously satire (at LEAST 90% of the time) while this kooky chick obviously isn't. Also, we don't take responsibility for what our crazy ass posters type (and we love each and every one of you. Well almost each and every one).

[Stephen Zepp]

Dude--she responded to multiple posts on the Internet about her, giving her position. And in my personal opinion, actually did it with a good combination of "keep it real" language/descriptions, and at least semi-professionalism.

There is a really big difference between being in a game development job but feeling any pressure whatsoever to use sexual advantages to advance, and being in the porn industry where using sexual advantages to advance is a willing choice, not a pressured one. And, she did it on her own personal blog, not in a place designed specifically to attract a focused audience relavent to the topic she posted about.

There are hundreds of blogs that are orders of magnitude worse than what she posted, and my personal opinion is that this wasn't an attack, but simply a response.

[schild]

Did you just say "keep it real" language and mean it? In reality land where I'm from I'd call what she said "tactless" and "bad form." But hey, who am I to judge, her job was basically public relations.

[Simond]

Did you just say "keep it real" language and mean it? In reality land where I'm from I'd call what she said "tactless" and "bad form." But hey, who am I to judge, her job was basically public relations.

Tactless and bad form usually get you promoted at SOE (cf Brenlo).

[Evil Elvis]

That is a clean cut case of sexual harassment.

No, it's not.  It would be sexual discrimination.  If true, it wouldn't change her right to file suit, but it's the sort of thing that makes a big difference when you're looking for a new job anyway.

[Nija]

heh, I've actually met this chick.

[Roac]

As for Roac:  It's a blessing to have someone like yourself around here to set all us women straight.  I don't know where we get our wild ideas.  Must be all those hormones or something.  And about not promoting people because they have piercings because it's an indication you are malcontent...

Whenever people fail, the gut reaction is to blame someone else.  Everyone does it, but women have certain cards they can play.  Race is another.  Age is another.  It's easy to cry discrimination, and people often do when it's unwarranted.  Everyone has some damn excuse, and some people feel the need to insert more drama into theirs than others.  If it's not something this dramatic, it's something else.  They are brown nosers, they have connections, whatever.  But it can't - mustn't - be because of some failing in the person doing the whining.  Sorry, I don't buy it.  I've seen far too much of it.

And yes, there are people who really do get screwed over illegal reasons.  But if they are mature, they will either take the legal recourse, or just deal with it and move on with life. 

[Roac]

I have to go with Signe here--it's not like she went to PCGamer and did an interview or something.

Yes, it is exactly like that.  The only difference is in readership, and that is something unknowable.  Her entry could easily get /.'d and get 10x what PCGamer would ever draw.  This wasn't an entry into a diary, it was made in public.  Public statements invite response.  Air your dirty laundry, and people are likely to tell you that you stink.

[Margalis]

Blogs are the new personal homepage - nobody gives a shit 99% of the time.

What is the problem here? Some person is bitching about their former work on a blog. Ok. Maybe she was harrassed, maybe she wasn't. We don't know, and that's all there is to it. There is no deeper analysis possible.

[schild]

Blogs are the new personal homepage - nobody gives a shit 99% of the time.

The gaming industry is small and desperate for drama. This fits the bill.

[Roac]

Forums are the water cooler of the internet - nobody gives a shit 99% of the time.

What's the problem here?  Some people are bitching about someone else who said something.  Ok.  Maybe it was true, maybe it wasn't.  We don't know, but the point of water coolers are to rehash that sort of thing.  No other reason need exist.

[Reg]

I wonder if she'd be taking less heat over what was a pretty tame post criticizing her previous employers if she hadn't spurned a job that so many here would have been thrilled to take, with a pay cut, just for the entry into the gaming industry?

[Typhon]

She should have just sucked cock, if it's good enough for the players, it's good enough for the reps.

 

[stray]

Nice hips.

That's my water cooler comment.

[Shockeye]

I don't like her.

[schild]

I don't like her.

I don't think your avatar does either.

[Merusk]

Angry goth chick refuses to debase herself for money so she goes and debases herself for money.

Wake me when she gets around to doing some penetration.

She won't, it's in her 'hire me' info.  Girl on Girl only, no girl on guy.

If you go read the 'about malice' section at the above-linked site you'll see she's one effed up person.  "I don't do porn because daddy touched me, how dare you assert that.  Yes, he touched me, but I do it because I like it."  Err.. ko.

She's a hot, whiny goth chick who'll have fuckall for a career once gravity hits her.  This was posted over on Corp a while ago, and I've checked out the site/ blog a few times since then. (Free shots of nice tits do that for a guy.)  While I agree that there is NOTHING acceptable at all about Sexual Harassment, I'm more inclined to believe - based on what I've read - that it's a delusion.  She's ALWAYS the victim, everyone's out to get her, or fuck her over, or see how much shit they can dump on her.   I'm more inclined to believe that Bush has a master plan for Iraq than I am the SOE allegations from her at this point.

[Shockeye]

I don't like her.

I don't think your avatar does either.

But both my avatar and me agree: We want to read Raph's 65 page manual.