Revolution specs beginning to be revealed

[Nija]

I hope they have a good bass fishing game.

[Shockeye]

I hope they have a good bass fishing game.

Maybe the limited edition package will come with some lures.

[Hoax]

You guys are all fucking crazy, have you completely lost touch with who the avg. console gamer is?

Fucking college students, they dont own HDTV's.

1.  You have roommates, having a $1000+ item in the living room of a house with roommates is a shitty idea.
2.  You have parties, having a $1000+ item in the living room of a house full of drunk students is a shitty idea.
3.  You have no money.  Buying something that is $1000+ when you are poor is a shitty idea.

Every roommate house I've ever lived in has had a hand-me-down tv or three, these people dont yet own their car, you paying rent/books/tuition/car/insurance and you have money for a HDTV when your current TV works?

People who care about gfx are computer gamers, because the latest greatest computer games often require you to spend near the bleeding edge.  Average console gamers dont know what the fuck 1080pp is and dont care.  I hate to burst that fucking bubble for you.  Any more then avg. MMO gamers care that we have reduced their "experience" to whacking MBI's aka Foozles only due to a compulsive love of DING gratification.

You can buy a 30 inch hi-def LCD for $700 now if the timing is right. You can get a 30 inch hi-def CRT for $500 almost every day. Most dorms don't allow tvs bigger than 27 inches in a room. Who is buying a $1000 tv and what the fuck are you babbling about?

I'm babbling about the fact that in the 3 years I've lived with roommates I have yet to see ONE person buy a new TV hi-def or otherwise.  On the other hand I've seen 5 laptops and two major pc upgrades and one new pc bought not counting my own pc purchases.  I would argue that nobody buys a TV for their dorm/apartment because someone always already owns one.  The only reason to buy a TV is to get a bigger TV if you get a bigger HDTV I am under the impression it will cost someone close to $1,000.

[schild]

I don't see how I could ever argue with your sample size of maybe 10 people in a dork full of obvious PC Geeks.

[Lt.Dan]

I hope they have a good bass fishing game.

Maybe the limited edition package will come with some lures.

Depends if you buy it at Best Buy.   A-boom-tish.

[Dren]

Ho ho ho.

I'm hoping this is a notice that you've bought a 37" LCD HD tv for me.  Otherwise, I'm blocked from work.  Summary?

[schild]

Ho ho ho.

I'm hoping this is a notice that you've bought a 37" LCD HD tv for me.  Otherwise, I'm blocked from work.  Summary?

Reggie Fils says the Revolution makes it easier to port games. I call shennanigans.

[Roac]

I'm hoping this is a notice that you've bought a 37" LCD HD tv for me.  Otherwise, I'm blocked from work.  Summary?

[Nintendo] executive VP of sales and marketing Reggie Fils-Aime during the UBS 33rd Annual Global Media Conference proclaim[ed] Revolution will be "easy to port" for third party developers

Followed by several paragraphs of editorial specuation whether the statement is true or not.

[Shockeye]

I'm hoping this is a notice that you've bought a 37" LCD HD tv for me.  Otherwise, I'm blocked from work.  Summary?

[Nintendo] executive VP of sales and marketing Reggie Fils-Aime during the UBS 33rd Annual Global Media Conference proclaim[ed] Revolution will be "easy to port" for third party developers

Followed by several paragraphs of piss-poor editorial specuation whether the statement is true or not.

[Jain Zar]

But most of 1Up's writing is piss poor, so why should this be any different?

[Morfiend]

If nothing on the 360 / ps3 will port down to the revolution, you won't have a lot to play but Nintendo custom stuff at $99.

Well, isnt that what we all use our Game Cubes for now anyway? Their controller is so horrible for most crossplatform games. The only reason I have a GC is for the exclusives.

*edit* woops, didnt see this was 3 pages long. Im sure some one covered what I just wrote already.

[Hoax]

I don't see how I could ever argue with your sample size of maybe 10 people in a dork full of obvious PC Geeks.

No dorm involved, I would bet dorms involve EVEN LESS TV purchases though.

Four apartments, with around ten unique roommates.  I'm not asking you to argue with my numbers, merely pointing out the only information I have, that of personal experience.

My argument can be boiled down to some simple general statements your free to disagree with.  I'm not heavily invested in them as being fact, just personal observations from my limited life experience.

1.  In a roommate situation someone always owns a TV, or knows someone with an extra or can get one from family whatever.
2.  Once you have a TV the only reason people buy a new TV is to replace one that breaks or buy a bigger one.

Since TV's take their sweet time to break, and in every apartment I've lived in and damn near every one I've visited there is a decent sized TV, it would be a large investment to buy a size-upgrade HDTV.

So you can tell me that average college/just out of college people care so much about HDTV that they will buy one just to have HD.  I'll say your wrong, but neither can prove it.  So we'll agree to disagree about a subject I dont really give two shits about because I dont buy console systems/games.

I think my original feeling, that you have lost-touch with just who the average gamer is, and what they can afford and why they will buy is valid.  You dont.  I agree to disagree.

 

[schild]

I very much haven't lost touch. I just don't think that hardcore gamers or even regular gamers should convince themselves that upgrading isn't worthwhile. If you think it is, you're dicking yourself. Upgrading is worthwhile. It's simple a better experience.

[Fabricated]

I have a shitty black friday $350 HDTV and it STILL gives better a better picture than the two non-HD Sony Wega TVs a couple friends of mine have.

[Hoax]

I very much haven't lost touch. I just don't think that hardcore gamers or even regular gamers should convince themselves that upgrading isn't worthwhile. If you think it is, you're dicking yourself. Upgrading is worthwhile. It's simple a better experience.

My argument never had anything to do with whether the upgrade was a good idea or not.  I have watched football on HD, I want HD I will have HD sometime soon.  But in the meantime I'll live knowing I'm having an inferior experience while watching the best team sport ever invented.

MY argument had everything to do with, wow this discussion is stupid because most people who are console gamers, by your own admission in multiple threads, because computers are too complicated.  The average gamer will not by a Xbox360 and Madden06 when he already owns a Xbox and Madden06.  When Madden07 comes out only on xbox360 he will be forced to make the purchase.  That is what I believe is the avg. console gamer.

[Samwise]

Question on HDTV that has nothing to do with console gaming: do TV stations broadcast in HD, or do you need to have cable to take advantage of an HDTV?

[Merusk]

Again, it isn't that I don't have the money.  I just don't have the money to spend on this.  I feel I'm not even close to being alone on that.  5 years from now when I'm looking to replace I fully expect the prices to be closer and I'll think harder on my choice, but for now, it is a very easy choice for me.

No, you're most defiantly not alone on that, and I agree on the 5-year thing.  You're just not going to convince a bunch of single guys with no obligations on a geekery forum of it.  Particularly not when the majority of them are making above the median or are apparently independently wealthy. Mr. Schild with your no-job-having game-buying habits, you continue to mystify me and my wallet.

Question on HDTV that has nothing to do with console gaming: do TV stations broadcast in HD, or do you need to have cable to take advantage of an HDTV?

Most require cable.. digital cable at that. (Which is why I indicated earlier that my bill is only $30, but to do HDTV I'd need to be paying $80.  Damn thieves.)  I think there's a few that broadcast some shows in HDTV, but you'd be better off actually calling and asking your local TV stations than us.

[NiX]

I very much haven't lost touch. I just don't think that hardcore gamers or even regular gamers should convince themselves that upgrading isn't worthwhile. If you think it is, you're dicking yourself. Upgrading is worthwhile. It's simple a better experience.

Do you watch that much TV or are you that much of a shiny whore that you need a HDTV? Screw HDTV's. Instead of spending $700 on top of the $600 I spent on everything I bought for my 360 I just put out 49.99 for VGA cables. I'm sorry to tell you this Schildy, but hoax has a point and you're slightly out of touch. Guess how many people come into EB's and ask how good the HD capability of the 360 is? Next to none. They don't care. HD is not THAT big of a step up and yes I've seen the difference, from a 13" 4:3 TV to a 32" LCD HDTV, and it really isn't worth $700.

[Samwise]

Most require cable.. digital cable at that. (Which is why I indicated earlier that my bill is only $30, but to do HDTV I'd need to be paying $80.  Damn thieves.)  I think there's a few that broadcast some shows in HDTV, but you'd be better off actually calling and asking your local TV stations than us.

If it's not considered minimally acceptable service, my local TV stations probably don't do it.  We don't even get NBC any more because they decided that so many people have cable anyway it wasn't worth maintaining an NBC transmitter any more.  Whores.   

[MrHat]

NBC/CBS/FOX/ABC are all avaliable over the air (OTA) in HD.  You almost get a better signal with this than you do with a cable box.

[Strazos]

It's a cost-benefit analysis deal, Schild:

I have a decent-sized TV. It works, and I am satisfied with the way games and broadcasts look on it.

I am not rich. There are other things I would rather spend my money on. I have no desire to buy a new TV, regardless of price or HDTV capability. Instead, I'll do something "silly," like buy $200 sunglasses (once, and they'll last....until some idiot breaks them for me  )

For me, and I'm sure LOTS of other people, the visual difference simply is not worth the cost. I will not buy a new TV until I can no longer use my current set, for whatever  reason.

[schild]

I think, at the cost of HDTVs, and many of the people here being gamers, that not wanting an HDTV is insane. It's that simple. I know that a lot of people here spend a LOT of money flagrantly. The two things just don't match up. Even the PS2 looks about 4x better on an HD set with component cables than a regular set, particularly the newer titles (Soul Calibur, Indigo Prophecy, Grand Turismo 4) that all have 480p options.

[Strazos]

<--- Not a graphics whore. I've played Xbox on HD. It looks nice.

Doesn't make the games better though.

Again, it comes down to the options laid before me. I can either buy an expensive TV I don't need, or....do something else. I can go to a bunch of NHL games, more if I suck it up and get cheap seats (which I won't  ). I can buy a shitton of MTGO cards. I can buy skiing gear.

You love your graphics. Cool beans. This isn't a debate worth having, because no one is going to change their mind, so everyone loses.

[Jain Zar]

I think, at the cost of HDTVs, and many of the people here being gamers, that not wanting an HDTV is insane. It's that simple. I know that a lot of people here spend a LOT of money flagrantly. The two things just don't match up. Even the PS2 looks about 4x better on an HD set with component cables than a regular set, particularly the newer titles (Soul Calibur, Indigo Prophecy, Grand Turismo 4) that all have 480p options.

Hmm.  So let me see if I get this straight.  HD is worth the still generally outrageous cost, yet Macintosh computers are not?

[schild]

I think, at the cost of HDTVs, and many of the people here being gamers, that not wanting an HDTV is insane. It's that simple. I know that a lot of people here spend a LOT of money flagrantly. The two things just don't match up. Even the PS2 looks about 4x better on an HD set with component cables than a regular set, particularly the newer titles (Soul Calibur, Indigo Prophecy, Grand Turismo 4) that all have 480p options.

Hmm.  So let me see if I get this straight.  HD is worth the still generally outrageous cost, yet Macintosh computers are not?

Obviously

Apple 30" Cinema HD - $2499.
Maxent 32" 16:9 LCD - $999.99. That's at the low end for a 30" LCD.

Here's a 65" 16:9 DLP Sharp HDTV for $2,499. Just to be fair. It's in my nature.

Are you trying to be silly? There's nothing about a Mac that I can't do more efficiently on a PC. Even after being a nearly pure mac user for 15 years.

[Margalis]

Schild, how many games do you buy a month? 15? A lot of people here average maybe ONE a month. If you are buying 10+ games a month getting an HDTV isn't a huge deal on top of that. If you buy one game a month it is. The cost of the HDTV will be more than all the games you buy in a year.

[schild]

Schild, how many games do you buy a month? 15? A lot of people here average maybe ONE a month. If you are buying 10+ games a month getting an HDTV isn't a huge deal on top of that. If you buy one game a month it is. The cost of the HDTV will be more than all the games you buy in a year.

But that's not a money issue. That's a lack of use issue. I didn't own a tv til I got back into console gaming. Even then I didn't buy one til they had a price drop. Seriously. For 3 years I didn't have a personal TV. But to say it doesn't make a difference is a lie. Lie Lie Lie.

[Alkiera]

Schild, how many games do you buy a month? 15? A lot of people here average maybe ONE a month. If you are buying 10+ games a month getting an HDTV isn't a huge deal on top of that. If you buy one game a month it is. The cost of the HDTV will be more than all the games you buy in a year.

But that's not a money issue. That's a lack of use issue. I didn't own a tv til I got back into console gaming. Even then I didn't buy one til they had a price drop. Seriously. For 3 years I didn't have a personal TV. But to say it doesn't make a difference is a lie. Lie Lie Lie.

I hardly use the 27"(maybe, maybe smaller, I really don't know) normal CRT TV I have.  I don't watch TV except maybe once every other week in order to sit down with my spouse.  I don't have cable at all. (DSL 4tw).  In fact, I probably use the TV more to play DVDs via my computer than anything else, and I don't even do that that much.  If I spend 5 hours a month in front of the TV, I'd be surprised.  The latest console I own that uses a TV is my SNES, which I haven't had hooked up in the almost 3 years since we moved.

I do spend a lot of time in front of my PC...  But I'm about 2 feet from the monitor, I don't need a 30" widescreen LCD.  There's a lot of things I could do with $999 that would benefit me far more than a 30" HD LCD.  I agree with whoever said it above, it's all about priorities.

Alkiera

[Shockeye]

I agree with whoever said it above, it's all about priorities.

Then you, obviously, are a Bad Gamer and should ask beg for forgiveness.

[HaemishM]

I very much haven't lost touch. I just don't think that hardcore gamers or even regular gamers should convince themselves that upgrading isn't worthwhile. If you think it is, you're dicking yourself. Upgrading is worthwhile. It's simple a better experience.

I'm not saying HD isn't worthwhile. I'm saying it isn't worth the money they are charging for it. As I said above, I also have problems with paying $300 for a new video card.

I'm a cheap bastard. If you want me to spend that much money on a TV, when I don't really have a problem with regular TV as it stands, you'll have to prove that it's worth it. So far, no one has.

As for the Revolution, it's the one console I think can get away with not having HD. And it's the one console whose release price sounds like it will be a reasonable price, as opposed to the bleeding edge sucker price that the 360 has. If the Revolution is a success as a console, it'll have fuckall to do with whether or not it supports HD, and more to do with how well it leverages the potential of that nunchuk dongle controller, and how many unique games it can put out before next Christmas.

Again, the Revolution is going to be hurt more if it doesn't support DVD playback than it will by not supporting HD.

[Shockeye]

I'm not saying HD isn't worthwhile. I'm saying it isn't worth the money they are charging for it. As I said above, I also have problems with paying $300 for a new video card.

You also are a Bad Gamer and should be begging for forgiveness.

[HaemishM]

The Gamer God can suck my cock before I'll beg forgiveness. He did inflict Horizons on us after all.

[Dren]

This argument shouldn't be over what each of us would pay for HD.  That is well known to ourselves and won't change.

The argument is whether there is enough of the population of the USA that views the "deal" that Nintendo is proposing will make it a commercial success.  I'm stating I think it will be.

Now, if it sucks and they don't come out with original content fast enough is up in the air.  That will impact the mature marketability of the Revolution and the next-next-generation of Nintendo.  My prediction is that they will do as well at this as they always have.  Although that controller may be the death of it.  Hard to say without trying it.

That's what those test consoles are for in the brick and mortar buildings.

[Margalis]

I don't know anyone IRL that has an HDTV or is planning to get one, so it looks to me like the market is there. The only places I see HD TVs are bars.

[Jamiko]

But to say it doesn't make a difference is a lie. Lie Lie Lie.

What I hear people saying here is not that it doesn't make a difference. What they seem to be saying is that it doesn't make a big enough difference.