Revolution specs beginning to be revealed

[HaemishM]

It'll also be at a saner price, as opposed to this Mickey Mouse bleeding edge sucker price.

Eh, that was years ago. They're not cheap, but they're not ridiculous. Look at flat panel monitors, a 24" flat panel is what, $1200?

A decent 27" non-HD costs about $300 or less. $300 is really expensive for that. And you think that paying 4 times that price for a smaller TV isn't a sucker price?

I got some land I'd like to sell you. It's in 1080p as well.

[Margalis]

Bullshit. When you see RE5 on an Xbox 360 running on a hi-def screen, you'll sing a different song. That probably won't even be ported to the Revolution at all and if it is, it will be _criiiiiiipled_.

Actually if anything it will probably run at a higher framerate.

Why would it be crippled? The only difference would be resolution. Again, increasing resolution if the #1 hardware taxing thing you can do. If you want to support 4x the screen size you need 4x the video ram, 4x texture ram, 4x fill rate and all that, just ro *break even.*

The XBox 360 has a lot of power but that power has to be reserved for running in HD. When you aren't in HD most of that power is going to waste - tons of RAM and cycles are just sitting around unused.

XBox360 games look and perform like XBox games when not in HD. Better framerates, slightly cleaner looking, that's it. The idea that a game would be crippled by running on the Rev is silly, because XBox 360 without HD is essentially what the Rev is. A lot of the extra power the 360 packs is solely for supporting HD.

For me, gaming is not my life. There aren't many shows in HD and they cost way too fucking much.

[Nija]

You guys should look into Mitsubishi TVs. I've had my HDTV for over 3 years now. When I got it, it was $2,200. 48" - 1080i, 480p - no 720p.

16 months of 0% interest. The payments were easy as hell.

[Nija]

Here's my beef with HD. It's a fucking scam right now. None of the content providers WANT to provide HD, they are being forced to despite its economic infeasibility. So they provide only what they can, and meanwhile they pimp it like it's the second coming of Bruce Muhame Ali Jesus. It becomes the "got to have it" thing for people who have to be bleeding edge and have money to piss away. Meanwhile, the hardware guys continually tweak the formula to come out with the latest big thing (wait, HD is the bestest, 1 week later wait, DLP is the bestest, 2 weeks later, no no it's PLASMA!). It's like fucking MMOG's. PVP! PVP+! INSTANCING!h will have time to be stressed and perfected, etc. etc.

Uhhh you're right about a lot of things, but you're so incredibly wrong about all of this.

HD does not compare to DLP does not compare to Plasma

REAR PROJECTION - FRONTAL PROJECTION - DLP - PLASMA - PROJECTION LCD.

All of these can be, and usually ARE "High defination". If you spend any money getting one of the above TYPES OF TVs you better be sure that it supports HD resolutions.

Plus, it's no scam. Don't you have access to a modified xbox? How on earth can you say it's a scam after spending a handful of seconds in front of one of those?

There is no reason to have HBO anymore when you can download the latest Rome episode in HD and stream it straight to the xbox. That and every other TV show that's broadcast, along with an assortment of illegal things.

Shit I've even got a stream of PBS Frontline episodes that are > than PDTV resolution.

IT'S A SCAM! Sure, it's a scam if you're a dumbass. (Hint: most people are. We share the roads with them.)

[Margalis]

There is no reason to have HBO anymore when you can download the latest Rome episode in HD and stream it straight to the xbox. That and every other TV show that's broadcast, along with an assortment of illegal things.

I can think of a reason: I have better things to do than hunt around for HBO shows, download them and set up streaming to my xbox. Time is money. Money buys convenience and time.

There are a whole lot of things that make a lot of sense to waste time on when you don't have anything better to do. Then maybe sometime in your life you *do* have better things to do and fucking around with things just to get them for free doesn't make sense any more.

[Merusk]

HD is a huge scam because you have to pay extra to get the channels (at least around these parts).  In 3 years it will be the broadcast standard, and I'll be getting it for free, laughing at the pay-to-beta testers of today.   Enjoy your bleeding edge.

[Nija]

Yes, that $5/mo comcast charge is so fucking steep. Let me tell you all about it.

And the $0 cable box that comes with component cables, man I'm still paying that off.


"hunt" for HBO episodes?

Edit by schild: Bad Nija. No treat for Nija.

HUNT OVER!

    <bookmark>
      <name>Network Video Files</name>
      <path>smb://xbox:xbox@10.10.87.101/download/</path>
    </bookmark>

XBOX CONFIGUATION COMPLETE.

Time is money, and I'm fucking Bill Gates. Stay out of the left lane.

[MrHat]

Yes, that $5/mo comcast charge is so fucking steep. Let me tell you all about it.

Yup.

I had a Tivo.  I paid $12/mo for it and loved it to death.  Now I have a HD-DVR from Comcast and pay $8/mo for all the HD channels (not premium, no HBO) and have an 80GB DVR box.

Not seeing the downside at all.

It's really not us HD people that are making the big deal.  It's you guys trying to rationalize not moving into a win-win situation.

[Margalis]

Time is money, and I'm fucking Bill Gates. Stay out of the left lane.

So your point is that you have tons of time on your hands? That's great. Most people have better things to do than fuck around with computers. You don't. Want a cookie? I'm tempted to say you'll understand when you get older.

It's the same reason I don't have an emulator on my XBox, and the same reason when I want music I buy CDs. I have money and not time. You have time and not money. To each his own.

[Merusk]

I pay $30 a month for cable.. to get HD I'd have to be paying $85 a month.  Hardly a $5 increase, or a win-win.

Again, those of you with tons of disposable income, have fun with your toys. I have cars, a house, kids and college funds to pay for.  I can put the money to better use.

[MrHat]

I pay $30 a month for cable.. to get HD I'd have to be paying $85 a month.  Hardly a $5 increase, or a win-win.

Again, those of you with tons of disposable income, have fun with your toys. I have cars, a house, kids and college funds to pay for.  I can put the money to better use.

To each their own.

[Nija]

I'm tempted to say you'll understand when you get older.

I'm 27 in a few months. You should probably start telling me what I'm doing wrong.

Jan 1st it'll be my 5th year at the same place. Doing IT work in the bay area. Rode out the bust and everything.

[Margalis]

Get a job you hippie!

[Azazel]

Looks interesting.. lesser specs or no, at that price I'd seriously consider getting one, after it's been out a few onths and had a chance to develop a decent library of games, anyway.

Better than the year+ I'll give the 360 and PS3...

[Sky]

I'll echo the fact that it costs me $7 more a month for an HD DVR over standard no DVR service. Fuck, that's like a big mac and fries once a month!

And then there's the /real/ reason I bought it - to play games on a 61" monitor. So...there's that. The HD stuff is just a nice side effect, really. And the whole home theater thing. And Sundays with my friends watching football on a big screen.

Yeah, what a sucker I am :P

I don't know why I didn't stick with my $150 guitar...I mean it has six strings just like my $1500 Gibson SG!

This thread is chuckleriffic.
edit:

A decent 27" non-HD costs about $300 or less. $300 is really expensive for that. And you think that paying 4 times that price for a smaller TV isn't a sucker price?

Four times that for a computer monitor. My old CRT monitor was 30", my tv was about the same size. Both were going and needed replacing. I bought one device that could do both superiorly, for more money, sure, but I was an early adopter. I've certainly got my money's worth out of it over the last couple years. But to get a 30"+ tv and a 30"+ monitor, it wouldn't have been $300, man. You've been reaching to be anti-hdtv this whole thread, it's unlike you.

[Dren]

Haemish isn't reaching at all imo.  I'm with him the whole way.

You all are assuming everyone wants flat screens too.  I bought a standard tube non-HD 37" T.V. for our new house in a larger living room for $450.  Comparable prices for the types of T.V.'s you guys are talking about? $2500 or more.  What did I do with the balance?  I've been slowly finishing the basement for the family.

Regrets?  None.

HD will not be mainstream in a couple of years.  People don't have the money on average and will run their current T.V.'s into the ground before they get new ones.  Most people will get tubes and if there HD is at a higher cost (any higher cost, even $20) they will not get it. (Comment made with current pricing staying relatively the same in the next 3 years.)

I know some of you love your toys and those are your priority.  That's awesome.  I'm jealous.  However, you have to look at this from a macro level and the masses don't have what you have. (Either in money AND/OR priority)

Maybe somebody can find a chart that shows me I'm wrong about the tube vs. flat comment, but I'm sticking to that opinion until then.

[UD_Delt]

I know some of you love your toys and those are your priority.  That's awesome.  I'm jealous.  However, you have to look at this from a macro level and the masses don't have what you have. (Either in money AND/OR priority)

I might have to disagree.

First the masses now consist of a lot of baby boomers that are now becoming empty nesters. I know my parent's and my wife's parents now have all sorts of disposable income that they don't know what to do with. And this generation of empty nesters is a much more tech savvy and toy savvy than the last.

Second, the age at which people get married and have kids is growing. Used to be people were getting married, having kids right out of college. Mean all tha extra income is going into the family. There is now a much larger population of 26-30 year olds that are still unmarried or are dinks. That is also a good bit of disposable income.

Third, have you seen the amount of credit card debt the average person has? Even people without that disposable income are buying new toys and just putting them on the credit card. Last I looked I think the average credit card debt was around $12,000 or so.

[Sairon]

If you're using the TV a lot, which I bet most of us on these boards are, then I don't understand why you're being a cheapskate about it. I rather save some cash on having a sub par car instead of having a bad TV, there's a lot of more to be saved on the car and I spend a lot of more time infront of the TV. Especialy if you're geting the next gen consoles, HD WILL almost be a must if you want to experience it. It's like the diffrence between playing F.E.A.R in 640x480 with 16 bit colors and playing it at 1600x1200 with 32 bits, it simply doesn't compare.

[Nija]

If you had a tent, you could have scammed best buy like a friend of mine did.

You could get a $2,000 best buy gift card that was at 0% interest for something like 28(!!) months. He picked up some panasonic 44" hdtv for $1500 and his monthly payments are like $55.


I CAN'T AFFORD IT MY $300 TV IS OK YOU GUYS ARE JUST NERDS WITH SPARE TIME/MONEY AND/OR IDIOTS.

PS: IT SUCKS ANYWAYS IT'S A SCAM.

[Roac]

If you're using the TV a lot, which I bet most of us on these boards are, then I don't understand why you're being a cheapskate about it. I rather save some cash on having a sub par car instead of having a bad TV, there's a lot of more to be saved on the car and I spend a lot of more time infront of the TV.

I save what I can on my car too.  I'm with Dren; there are lots of other things that I would rather spend money on than personal luxury.  While I have a GC and PS2, one was a gift and the other was bought with money we budget for entertainment.  We can't cover a HD TV with that though, nor do we need it, since the ones we have work fine.  We've seen HD.  Not terribly impressed, and personally I don't see it worth more than maybe a 20-30% premium over SD, but in no way worth the 100% *minimum* premium (just for the set, and most are much more than this) it's at now.  I mean hell, I still have the original NES hooked up to play some old games in it once in a while.  I like them because they're fun to play, just as I watch TV when I find the program interesting.  High dev wouldn't make Jon Stewart's jokes more funny.

[Roac]

If you had a tent, you could have scammed best buy like a friend of mine did.

You could get a $2,000 best buy gift card that was at 0% interest for something like 28(!!) months. He picked up some panasonic 44" hdtv for $1500 and his monthly payments are like $55.

I suspect everyone here who declines to purchase an HD for financial reasons knows more than what's neccessary to understand financing, but it sounds more probable that you don't.  They can charge 0% interest because (a) it only applies to qualified participants and (b) they still maintain plenty of profit because it's built into the price.  Oh and by the way, you are establishing a line of credit so it screws with your credit rating.  The 0% is also conditional on several points, and if he breaks any of the conditions, the APR is not favorable.

But yeah, good scam, that.

[HaemishM]

Plus, it's no scam. Don't you have access to a modified xbox? How on earth can you say it's a scam after spending a handful of seconds in front of one of those?

No, I don't have a modded X-Box. Don't care to really. More money to some 3rd party leech for something I'd barely care to worry about.

There is no reason to have HBO anymore when you can download the latest Rome episode in HD and stream it straight to the xbox. That and every other TV show that's broadcast, along with an assortment of illegal things.

I pay DirecTV and HBO so I don't have to go hunting over the slimy parts of the Internet talking with barely coherent geeks in order to get episodes of a program I dig. I don't mind that charge. It saves me time to do other things.

Piracy is great if your 16 and want to FIGHT THE MAN. When I do pirate things, I do it with a minimum of effort. Paying for things means I don't have to expend that effort, and thus have more time to do things I enjoy.

[Nija]

Well, mine was 16 months, 0% interest starting Feb '03. $2200 something total. They mailed me updates monthly, about how much I owed, but my "due ammount" was $0. It was going to be that way for 16 months.

I paid it off in 10 months. My current credit rating is 715. I have about $4 grand in CC debt, no student loans, and 1 car payment. 2 other cars paid off. I don't own a house, I rent. I don't have half a million to throw into a fixer upper. I could probably qualify for it, but I'm not that dumb.

[Margalis]

$15 a month over X months is still the same price in the end. (Actually a bit less since you can invest the remainder and make some small interest) It's not that I can't afford a $2000 TV, I just don't want to pay $2000 for a TV. I would just feel silling doing that.

[UD_Delt]

Well, mine was 16 months, 0% interest starting Feb '03. $2200 something total. They mailed me updates monthly, about how much I owed, but my "due ammount" was $0. It was going to be that way for 16 months.

I paid it off in 10 months.

That's the catch of the no-payment, 0% interest thing. You have to pay it off in the time allotted or before. If you don't then you usually will owe back interest. Enough people don't make the deadline and end up owing 12 months of back interest that it is still a very profitable deal for the company to offer.

[Nija]

$15 a month over X months is still the same price in the end. (Actually a bit less since you can invest the remainder and make some small interest) It's not that I can't afford a $2000 TV, I just don't want to pay $2000 for a TV. I would just feel silling doing that.

That's one angle, true. Then you have people like Rasix who are so whipped he can't even use IRC anymore, much less spend $2g on a TV.

Explain to me why people get married or share finances again?

[Hoax]

You guys are all fucking crazy, have you completely lost touch with who the avg. console gamer is?

Fucking college students, they dont own HDTV's.

1.  You have roommates, having a $1000+ item in the living room of a house with roommates is a shitty idea.
2.  You have parties, having a $1000+ item in the living room of a house full of drunk students is a shitty idea.
3.  You have no money.  Buying something that is $1000+ when you are poor is a shitty idea.

Every roommate house I've ever lived in has had a hand-me-down tv or three, these people dont yet own their car, you paying rent/books/tuition/car/insurance and you have money for a HDTV when your current TV works?

People who care about gfx are computer gamers, because the latest greatest computer games often require you to spend near the bleeding edge.  Average console gamers dont know what the fuck 1080pp is and dont care.  I hate to burst that fucking bubble for you.  Any more then avg. MMO gamers care that we have reduced their "experience" to whacking MBI's aka Foozles only due to a compulsive love of DING gratification.

[UD_Delt]

You guys are all fucking crazy, have you completely lost touch with who the avg. console gamer is?

Guess I must have... Does it matter that the PS1 came out while I was in college and hooked every one of my friends who despite no longer being in college all have either a ps2 or xbox and are debating the merits of buying the xbox 360 vs. waiting for ps3? I will admit that only about half have HD tv's.... Although my one friend has enough HD tvs and plasma screens in his house to give one to each of the rest of us if that counts.

Personally I just spent $600+ on my Wega a bit over a year ago so probably won't buy the HD tv for 2-3 years. But that could all change once the first friend gets an xbox 360 or ps3 hooked up to his HDtv.


Edit: Oh and despite being married I still have a decent expenable budget for buying toys which is also my poker bankroll. The wife agreed that if I promise to NEVER fund the poker account without informing her, that I could keep whatever profits I make. Little did she know I would only fund it once and would be making $3-4k per year.

[schild]

You guys are all fucking crazy, have you completely lost touch with who the avg. console gamer is?

Fucking college students, they dont own HDTV's.

1.  You have roommates, having a $1000+ item in the living room of a house with roommates is a shitty idea.
2.  You have parties, having a $1000+ item in the living room of a house full of drunk students is a shitty idea.
3.  You have no money.  Buying something that is $1000+ when you are poor is a shitty idea.

Every roommate house I've ever lived in has had a hand-me-down tv or three, these people dont yet own their car, you paying rent/books/tuition/car/insurance and you have money for a HDTV when your current TV works?

People who care about gfx are computer gamers, because the latest greatest computer games often require you to spend near the bleeding edge.  Average console gamers dont know what the fuck 1080pp is and dont care.  I hate to burst that fucking bubble for you.  Any more then avg. MMO gamers care that we have reduced their "experience" to whacking MBI's aka Foozles only due to a compulsive love of DING gratification.

You can buy a 30 inch hi-def LCD for $700 now if the timing is right. You can get a 30 inch hi-def CRT for $500 almost every day. Most dorms don't allow tvs bigger than 27 inches in a room. Who is buying a $1000 tv and what the fuck are you babbling about?

[Dren]

I call BS on those prices.  Prove me wrong.  Please. (Linkage?)

[schild]

I call BS on those prices.  Prove me wrong.  Please. (Linkage?)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007R8YGI/102-1643576-1616942?me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance&n=172282 - $499.99 26" HDTV LCD

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-30-HDTV-Monitor-CT-30WX15-/sem/rpsm/oid/120400/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do - $599.99 30" HDTV CRT

That's without trying. Looking a little harder would yield better results.

[Dren]

I'll look at those prices in a minute.  As I was curious to my question of how many people are really buying HD, I went looking.

This article: http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-electronics/20051206/NYTU06206122005-1.html
Suggest that 16 million homes will have HD by the end of 2005.

This document: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
Suggests that in 2000 there were 105 million homes in the US.

When I was talking about the big piece of the pie not being targetted, that's what I was talking about.  Will 2010 be different?  Hell yes. 2008? Probably, but that piece of pie will still be attractive.  I still think Nintendo is smart to go after it.  The others aren't.

[Dren]

Ah, sorry Schild I didn't really read your prices right.  You're talking about 30" or less.  You are probably right for a dorm dweller, but for my house I can't go any smaller than 37".  That's what I have in our biggest room and that is too small.

I did a quick check of my own and nothing even comes close to the $450 I spent on my non-HD tube.  They are all 3x or more the cost.

Again, it isn't that I don't have the money.  I just don't have the money to spend on this.  I feel I'm not even close to being alone on that.  5 years from now when I'm looking to replace I fully expect the prices to be closer and I'll think harder on my choice, but for now, it is a very easy choice for me.

Obviously, from all of the accounts show in this thread everyone has different situations and threshold levels for spending money on T.V's/Consoles.  My opinion is that Nintendo is smart to go after a market where price DOES matter.  The others seem to have gone the other way and I just feel they are jumping the gun a bit.

Cutting edge on computers doesn't feel as bad.  Customers of computers are used to it and are tech savvy enough just by default.  Consoles are for the masses.  The masses aren't tech savvy and aren't buying into these higher end T.V.'s and higher end consoles and everything else that goes with it.  The more they require the masses to invest into getting the most out of their consoles the more they are missing the original market.

Again, totally my opinion.

[schild]

Ho ho ho.

[Shockeye]

Then again, that's bound to create similar situations that have occurred with multi-platform development currently, where companies simply emphasized work on PlayStation 2 and Xbox (where much of the money was) and left many GameCube ports to languish unpolished. With Revolution's interface providing a whole new obstacle, watching developers work around should prove interesting.

Here's the thing: I don't want Revolution ports of stuff. I want stuff UNIQUE to the Revolution.