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on: October 04, 2005, 04:26:33 PM

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/ff4a/

About time. I'd rather see FF6 myself but the third best FF title in the series is good enough for me, and a sign that FF6 will eventually be rereleased...probably with all the same bugs the SNES version had (i.e. crash bugs, stats that do absolutely nothing, etc), but hey.

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Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 04:40:38 PM

FF6 was objectively a better game, but FF4 is just a classic in every sense.  It was the first time I ever played a game primarily because I cared about the story.

Edit:  When FF6 came out, I ran out to grab it on the very first day, and not a goddamn moment too soon.  I had sat around waiting on it ever since I finished the previous game.  When Secret of Mana came out, sure I played it, but I remember being livid that Square had wasted it's time making a game that wasn't the next Final Fantasy.  As the girl rang it up, she remarked that this was the third or fourth copy of this game she'd seen go by, and she'd only been on the register for an hour.  I didn't have the internet back then, or know any other RPG fans, and that was when I realized that... hmm... maybe I wasn't the only one digging this.
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Reply #2 on: October 04, 2005, 04:51:34 PM

I preordered Final Fantasy IV at Best Products. Best Products doesn't exist anymore. Final Fantasy does. Sometimes I wish the reverse were true. Final Fantasy IV was one of the first SNES games I laid down my own cash for, I couldn't wait for a rep copy.
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Reply #3 on: October 04, 2005, 05:07:47 PM

Here's my question: This going to be hard-type or easy-type? I believe the PSX re-release was hardtype.

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Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 05:51:47 PM

FFIV is probably the best FF game, with FFV close behind. Those two were leaps and bounds above 6 and 7.

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Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 05:55:46 PM

As much as I would love a complete remake of FF4 with the latest bells and whistles, I'm not going to fork out the money for something I could play on an emulator.  The couple of FMVs they had in the PS remake were nice and all for the 3 minutes they actually played, but my days as a Square whore are over.  I'm not getting milked on this one unless it's got a shitload of added content.
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Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 05:58:04 PM

I thought FF6 lived up to FF4 quite well.  It didn't grab me quite the way 4 did, but then FF4 was one of those rare pieces of work that expanded my notion of what a "video game" could do.  I thought FF7 was where it jumped the shark.

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Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 06:09:39 PM

I thought FF5 kinda sucked myself. FF4 was awesome, but even now I still find FF6 the better in pretty much every conceivable way outside of difficulty. FF6 was incredibly easy.

And notice how no one mentions the PSX/PS2 FF titles. Heh. I liked 7 up to a point, 8 remains the only FF title I've never finished, and 9 was great ignoring the last boss.

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Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 10:54:57 PM

FF6 (the kefka one, right? Damn japanese and their different numbering) was the best game ever made.  Anyone saying FFIV or FFV was better is a gay communist who hates freedom.

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Reply #9 on: October 04, 2005, 10:55:30 PM


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Reply #10 on: October 04, 2005, 11:00:03 PM

I still think Deus Ex is better than any of the Final Fantasies. Then Planescape: Torment. Then some sort of clusterfucked tie between FFIV, VI, Simcity 2000, Bloodlines, God of War, Zelda 1, Super Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission/Metroid Fusion, Castlevania 3, Ironsword, Katamari Damacy, and Resident Evil 4.
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Reply #11 on: October 04, 2005, 11:02:43 PM

I still think Deus Ex is better than any of the Final Fantasies. Then Planescape: Torment. Then some sort of clusterfucked tie between FFIV, VI, Simcity 2000, Bloodlines, God of War, Zelda 1, Super Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission/Metroid Fusion, Castlevania 3, Ironsword, Katamari Damacy, and Resident Evil 4.


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Reply #12 on: October 04, 2005, 11:59:44 PM

Everything Squaresoft does (did) is a masterpiece.

I'm currently playing Einhander on the PSX emu. It's a space shooter in 3D and another masterpiece of gameplay in its genre.

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Reply #13 on: October 05, 2005, 12:02:26 AM

Ikaruga and a host of other games are better than Einhander. Squeenix does not make masterpieces anymore. But then, you're still fawning over this generation of MMORPGs, so I don't know why I'm responding.
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Reply #14 on: October 05, 2005, 12:21:05 AM

Only great game Square made post-SNES was Bushido Blade.

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Reply #15 on: October 05, 2005, 12:22:54 AM

Only great game Square made post-SNES was Bushido Blade.

Yea, Final Fantasy Tactics was pure shit. You're being nothing but irrational again.
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Reply #16 on: October 05, 2005, 01:11:29 AM

I didn't say it sucked ass, but it's not the pure glory that is Bushido Blade.

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Reply #17 on: October 05, 2005, 01:22:45 AM

I didn't say it sucked ass, but it's not the pure glory that is Bushido Blade.

Just like Serenity isn't the pure glory of the Star Wars Prequels? Shutup intarweb, you don't matter. I don't know how you can make one argument in one forum and the exact oppisite in another. It's like some sort of internet voodoo magic.

See, here's the problem, you're wrong. Period. I haven't even seen Serenity and I know it's better than Star Wars Episode III, II and I no matter how much money they made. And I don't even like Joss Whedon. And having played both FFT and Bushido Blade ad nauseum, I can flat out tell you that FFT is the superior title. FFT is what entire genres are birthed from while Bushido Blade was trying to do something new and interesting in a genre that Squaresoft shouldn't putz around with... as proven by Ergheiz, Bushido Blade 2, and the Bouncer.
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Reply #18 on: October 05, 2005, 01:24:47 AM

I still think Deus Ex is better than any of the Final Fantasies. Then Planescape: Torment. Then some sort of clusterfucked tie between FFIV, VI, Simcity 2000, Bloodlines, God of War, Zelda 1, Super Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission/Metroid Fusion, Castlevania 3, Ironsword, Katamari Damacy, and Resident Evil 4.
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I have the Ironsword theme in my car. I fucking loved that game. It was probably one of the few Nintendo games I beat 10 or 15 times.
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Reply #19 on: October 05, 2005, 01:43:44 AM

Final Fantasy Tactics was just a worse Tactics Ogre.

Castlevania 3 was awesome.

FF6 was cool but the whole Esper thing made it kind of lame. FF6 was the first FF game that overloaded on BS systems that has become the series' trademark. The characters in FF6 don't have much personality when you an equip Espers onto them and make them super-magicians regardless of what they are supposed to be. But, it's still a great game, just not as good as 4 and 5. Also some of the characters were really under-developed.

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Reply #20 on: October 05, 2005, 05:55:12 AM

Ummm, how the hell did you guys miss Chrono Trigger?

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Reply #21 on: October 05, 2005, 10:32:46 AM

Final Fantasy Tactics was just a worse Tactics Ogre.
If by "worse" you mean "better in every way that counts". Heh.

The esper system in FF6 was indeed broken as hell. And as for undeveloped characters, uh...hello? Kain? FF6 went into the back stories of nearly every single character outside of Mog/Umaro/Gogo. For fuck's sake, Shadow alone got more character development than everyone in FF4 combined.

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Reply #22 on: October 05, 2005, 11:13:56 AM

Just like Serenity isn't the pure glory of the Star Wars Prequels? Shutup intarweb, you don't matter. I don't know how you can make one argument in one forum and the exact oppisite in another. It's like some sort of internet voodoo magic.

So wait...  Bushido Blade was the recipient of a really obnoxious "grassroots" marketing campaign, catered to a tiny cult following of weirdos?  And then had it's ass kicked by Jodie Foster?

With these new revelations in mind, I stand corrected.  Bushido Blade now sucks.   cry

Damn you, Jodie Foster...

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Reply #23 on: October 05, 2005, 01:09:58 PM

Just like Serenity isn't the pure glory of the Star Wars Prequels? Shutup intarweb, you don't matter. I don't know how you can make one argument in one forum and the exact oppisite in another. It's like some sort of internet voodoo magic.

So wait...  Bushido Blade was the recipient of a really obnoxious "grassroots" marketing campaign, catered to a tiny cult following of weirdos?  And then had it's ass kicked by Jodie Foster?

With these new revelations in mind, I stand corrected.  Bushido Blade now sucks.   cry

Damn you, Jodie Foster...

Yes, because all that is pertinent. And yes, Bushido Blade only catered to a tiny cult following of weirdos. And all game campaigns back then had what could only be considered "grassroots" marketing campaigns. Mentioning Jodie Foster doesn't make you any less of an insane douchebaggy troll. You know exactly what I meant here and pull some Hyu-level shit out. Not on my time, pal.
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Reply #24 on: October 05, 2005, 01:23:28 PM

I already have the "good" FFIV for PS and don't feel compelled to buy it again in handheld form.  But since we are bickering, it is my favorite.  Also, I consider Bushido Blade to be the best vs fighting game by a wide margin... but I would not claim it is one of the best games period.  Games are too different for that sort of talk to progress in a logical fashion.

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Reply #25 on: October 05, 2005, 01:38:52 PM

Yes, because all that is pertinent.

You're the one who started jabbering about Serenity in a Square thread, because of some imagined similarity in their marketing campaigns.  Pertinence is not your strong point.

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Reply #26 on: October 05, 2005, 03:03:48 PM

I think Something Awful summarized my thoughts on Final Fantasy quite nicely:
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Dr. Thorpe: But now people who were raised on nothing but Nintendo think the Final Fantasy games had objectively great plots and great music because they're never actually read a book or bought a record.

Zack: If someone tells me how moving the opera music was in Final Fantasy VI then I pretty much instantly discount their opinion on everything. It's like finding out a guy secretly believes the holocaust was a lie. Their horrible judgment in one area taints everything else they say and do.

Dr. Thorpe: Yeah, and the people who cry when Final Fantasy characters die? Imagine sitting them down in front of a Keats poem or something, it would probably kill them.

Zack: Only if it was being read by a girl with giant hair and they had to push the X button at the end of each stanza.
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Reply #27 on: October 05, 2005, 03:38:58 PM

You fail instantly for copying anything from Something Awful.

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Reply #28 on: October 05, 2005, 05:03:46 PM

Yes, because all that is pertinent.
You're the one who started jabbering about Serenity in a Square thread, because of some imagined similarity in their marketing campaigns.  Pertinence is not your strong point.
Nice. Way to refute what I said.
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Reply #29 on: October 05, 2005, 05:40:42 PM

For all my days I shall wear a haunted look of defeat for failing to refute whatever esoteric point you were trying to make in equating Bushido Blade with the Firefly movie.  /weep

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Reply #30 on: October 05, 2005, 06:07:12 PM

Wow, what an incredible non-point Jain Zar. So games can't be great unless they have better music than an album? (In the 16-bit era no less) That makes perfect sense!

Square has a number of masterpieces. FF1, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, Secret of Mana, Chrono-Trigger, among others. Let me put it this way, I'd much rather play those that read an average book or listen to an average album, that's for sure.

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Reply #31 on: October 05, 2005, 06:11:16 PM

For all my days I shall wear a haunted look of defeat for failing to refute whatever esoteric point you were trying to make in equating Bushido Blade with the Firefly movie.  /weep

It wasn't esoteric, you blithering dipshit. You were making the exact same argument here that you were railing against in the other thread.
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Reply #32 on: October 05, 2005, 06:32:29 PM

I think it matters how old you were and what you had played previously in a determination of which FF game is better.  People my little brother's age think FF7 is far and away the best.  I'm 22, and I remember playing FF6 in middle school, maybe 6th grade, I can't remember.  I'm not sure I played RPG's before FF6 per se.  I mean, I was like 13.  The game never had the hype (from my perspective) of SMB3 and SNES Zelda, my older brother just brought it home one day after having borrowed it from a friend, and there it was.  I couldn't stop playing.  I still think it's the greatest game ever made, and I can't really explain why anyone else wouldn't feel the same way, except for my aforesaid hypo.  I'm too afraid to go back into on an emulator, for fear of ruining this ideal of perfection I have in my head, but I fire it up sometimes just to watch the intro with the mechs walking in the snow and the crazy music.
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Reply #33 on: October 05, 2005, 06:34:02 PM

It wasn't esoteric, you blithering dipshit. You were making the exact same argument here that you were railing against in the other thread.

So let's see...

1 - Before games got really big, every game was marketed in a way you consider to be grassroots.
2 - I thought it was funny when the attempted grassroots marketing campaign for Serenity failed.
3 - Therefore I... should think Bushido Blade is funny?

Or did you fail to adequately read the other thread, causing you to base your rambling on the strawman notion that I must think profit and quality are the same thing?

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Reply #34 on: October 05, 2005, 06:48:25 PM

Bushido Blade never got big.

The internet wasn't big when Bushido Blade came out. Efficient marketing like we see today didn't exist in any comparative form.

Marketing existed in Magazines, a few tv commercials and demo disks that bushido blade was put on, possibly Brave Fencer Musashi. So really, the only people that could have gotten super hyped up about it were Square fanbois.

Final Fantasy Tactics is the better game, period. Oranges, apples, whatever. It's just better. There were Square masterpieces made after the Super Nintendo. Bushido Blade, much as I love it, wasn't one of them.

Don't try to think right now, this is obviously too complicated for you. Long sentences must confuse you or something.

That said, you're still insane for thinking Star Wars - any of the prequels - are even remotely palatable sci-fi movies. I don't even need to see Serenity to agree with the other folks in that thread. Episodes 1 through 3 were shit and near nobody puts Bushido Blade on their best Playstation games lists. Einhander, maybe. Final Fantasy Tactics, almost always. Final Fantasy VII, always. Bushido Blade? Only you.

Also, strawman?

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Serenity:  An 80% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, and a 10.1 million dollar opening.
Episode 3:  An 82% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, and a 108.4 million dollar opening.

The only people who didn't like Episode 3 were opinionated internet dweebs, and if there's one thing both Lucas and Whedon have proven in their own different ways, it's that opinionated internet dweebs don't really mean shit.  But don't worry, I'm sure Fox is rushing to pump out the sequel to a flick that got it's ass kicked by the second week of some shitty Jodie Foster movie, and barely squeaked past the third week of Corpse Bride.

Nigga, please. The only reason Episode III has an 82% ranking is that Every Single Critic compared it to Episode I and II. When you compare less soupy shit to explosive diarrhea it's still shit.
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