For the SNES-era Square whore inside all of you.

[dusematic]

That was pretty funny. 

[stray]

Did I mention that I  Jodie Foster?

I do, y'know.

[WindupAtheist]

Schild, I swear I'd have you pegged as borderline illiterate if you weren't so prone to spewing terabytes of pointless text about how much Ninja Gaiden rules.  Let's see if I can finally recap the situation, and what you've somehow managed to take from it.

1 - I come into the Serenity thread and laugh at it's financial failure, because it's marketing campaign annoyed the shit out of me.  At no point do I address the quality of the movie itself, since I've never seen it.  The trailers obviously did nothing for me, but whatever.

2 - Some of those offended decide to rebut by making a "Serenity versus that last Star Wars movie" slapfight of it.  This is logical only when compared to their other rebuttal, namely that Serenity is better than UO as well.

3 - Praying that nobody else turns up Roger Ebert's scathing review of Mondain's Legacy, I check the Rotten Tomatoes score for Episode 3 and find out that it's actually a little higher than that of Serenity.  I go ahead and post both the scores and opening grosses for each, figuring that it's hard to defend a well-reviewed failure by trashing a well-reviewed success.

Are you still with me so far?  Haven't run off yet to play with your virtual puppy or fulfill your journalistic imperative by writing two-sentence reviews of every Game Boy title coming out for the next 4000 years?  Good.

4 - You somehow decide that #3 must mean I hate everything that isn't hugely profitable, and decide that you're going to show me what for in a thread about Final Fantasy.

5 - You make the world that much dumber a place by claiming that I have somehow contradicted myself in liking a game which was only a modest success.  Meanwhile, in Heaven, a single tear rolls silently down the cheek of Baby Jesus.

6 - I remind you that you're a retard.  You jerk off to furry porn and cry yourself to sleep.  The end.

[schild]

You came into the Serenity thread Strazos style with his "I don't have a PS2" comments. Strike 1.
You came into a thread about Squaresoft proclaiming the only good post-SNES Square game was Bushido Blade. Strike 2.

As for your third point, Titanic. The most profitable, well reviewed, piece of utter shit I've ever seen. Most people with penises most likely agree, except the critics. I still and always will stand by the fact that Episode III is only good when compared to I and II. Which were bad like in the case of Garfield: The Movie bad. Also, I didn't see Serenity advertised any differently than Any Other movie. I'm not sure how you could be so annoyed by it. Especially when compared to Star Wars. What were there? Three fast food restaraunts doing shit? More action figures than every other action figure type in any given store. Legos, slurpees, half-baked video games, terrible movie posters, and invasive ads on any movie related website. Seriously, man. Whedon must have touched you in a bad place.

Final Fantasy Tactics: 83%
Bushido Blade: 81%

Tactics got a greatest hits version. Far as I can tell, Bushido Blade didn't. Which is testament to how much more and in your world "better" FFT was, without interjecting my opinion.

I mean, if you want me to use the exact same argument as in the Serenity thread, there it is. Because really, your douchebaggery was taken a little too far in your last post. I didn't think I'd have to actually post that stuff. You should really take a couple days off. I don't know why you're still here anyway. Your taste in cinema bites ass and your taste in games is suspect. You should really be posting at the Vault.

[Fabricated]

Hooray, I made a bad topic!

[schild]

Hooray, I made a bad topic!

Nah, the topic was fine until WUA entered it. That is until he decided FFVII was where the series jumped the shark when really it was VIII. Final Fantasy VII gave hope to a bright future that VIII swiftly crushed.

[Pococurante]

And I thought Bruce's banning left a gaping hole where every thread was turned to be about him.  Forum therapy ftw.

[schild]

And I thought Bruce's banning left a gaping hole where every thread was turned to be about him.  Forum therapy ftw.

Bruce was more dimensional. .5 dimensions too many that is.

[Sky]

Topic: For the SNES-era Square whore inside all of you.

For the record, I was a C64 snob during the NES days, and a nongamer during SNES. So not quite all of us.

Did I mention that I  Jodie Foster?

I do, y'know.

[HaemishM]

It wasn't esoteric, you blithering dipshit. You were making the exact same argument here that you were railing against in the other thread.

2 - I thought it was funny when the attempted grassroots marketing campaign for Serenity failed.

Seriously, WHAT THE HOLY MONKEY FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[Pococurante]

[stray]

I do, y'know.

 

My first skateboard was a JFA (think I mentioned that somewhere).

[Sky]

I was going to post a pic of the board, but I love the venue in that shot. Brings back memories of utter dives that were so much cooler than anything that tried to be cool. Wtf with that chained-up monitor, heh.

[schild]

The DS version of FF is going to be completely in 3d. Heh.

[Pococurante]

Wtf with that chained-up monitor, heh.

Speaker.

/end_quibble ;)

[Jain Zar]

Topic: For the SNES-era Square whore inside all of you.

For the record, I was a C64 snob during the NES days, and a nongamer during SNES. So not quite all of us.

You aint the only one.  C64, Genesis, Amiga, and then DOS PC.  Ive never been a SNES worshipper.
I only bought one to play Street Fighter 2, since it was the reason most folks bought one.

My real problem with the FF series?  The mouth breathing otaku worship of it.  Its a B grade by the numbers
console RPG with A list production values.  But it popped most RPG players' cherries, so its magically the best
game ever, even though the gameplay isn't cutting edge, and the so called reason to play it, the story, is
about the level of a literate fanfic writer who has delusions of deepness while they write their tales listening
to Linkin Park and maybe Jewel.

To listen to many FF fans, its the greatest game series ever made with such deepness, even though the gameplay
is about as innovative as your average FPS title is, and pretty much created the RPG genre, ignoring far more
cutting edge computer titles, and other console RPGs that actually strived for greatness instead of being pretensious anime fodder.

Most of the FF games are pretty decent for what they are, don't get me wrong.  But when you compare FF Tactics to X Com, FF7 to
Fallout, FF8 to Fallout 2, FFX to KOTOR, FF1 to Dragon Warrior, FF4 to Phantasy Star 2, the Final Fantasy games are found wanting to
their fellow RPGs of the same rough time period.

It would just be nice if the cosplaying otaku fanfic yaoi tentacle worshipping scumbags and NES/SNES only childhood game writers
would get their mouth's off Squaresoft's dick for a while and play some other games for a while.  Or at least shut the fuck up about
Final Fantasy for a while..

[Fabricated]

Topic: For the SNES-era Square whore inside all of you.

For the record, I was a C64 snob during the NES days, and a nongamer during SNES. So not quite all of us.

I AM MORE OLD SCHOOL THAN U. FOAD!!11

[Bunk]

Wtf with that chained-up monitor, heh.

Speaker.

/end_quibble ;)

Only a musician would have looked at that and called it a monitor... Had me looking around the picture trying to find a screen. Having had to recently learn our PA/sound system, I will admit he is right though.

[Pococurante]

And the original C64 was... wait for it...

$595

In 1982 dollars.  Which were already cheapened by the demigod Reagan but why fight that again

Waah Waah 360 is less Waah Waah

Like proprietary single-use "consoles" (what an abortion of the original meaning) mean shit.

[schild]

What cost $595 in 1982 would cost $1207.04 in 2005.

You're goddamn right the 360 is less. What cost $399.99 in 2005 would cost $197.17 in 1982.

[WindupAtheist]

Also, I didn't see Serenity advertised any differently than Any Other movie. I'm not sure how you could be so annoyed by it.

Oh no, it wasn't the television advertising.  It was the way they actively and systematically recruited a cult of crazy fanboys and sent them out to evangelize the internet.  Being the sort of nerd who hangs around sci-fi boards, their months of intermittent yammering was much more irksome to me than whatever Taco Bell and Slurpee commercials I was ignoring that week.

Final Fantasy Tactics: 83%
Bushido Blade: 81%

Tactics got a greatest hits version. Far as I can tell, Bushido Blade didn't. Which is testament to how much more and in your world "better" FFT was, without interjecting my opinion.

I mean, if you want me to use the exact same argument as in the Serenity thread, there it is.

Except you seem to have missed what said argument is supposed to mean, which is "The thing I like has both the critics and public on it's side.  So if you want to trash it, you have only your own opinion as ammo, and I don't care about that."  At no point does it logically forbid one from liking things that didn't make piles of money.

If I had gone off on a "FFT sucks cock, everyone hates it!!!" diatribe, the above would be appropriate.  As it is, employing it against a mild "Eh, it didn't suck, but I like Bushido Blade better" comment just makes it look like you were hell-bent on using it to prove some sort of point.

Because really, your douchebaggery was taken a little too far in your last post.

This is like Mike Tyson spitting out a chunk of ear to express his shock at what an insensitive brute one is.  And by that I mean, it's pretty cool.

I didn't think I'd have to actually post that stuff. You should really take a couple days off. I don't know why you're still here anyway. Your taste in cinema bites ass and your taste in games is suspect.

Because Arcadian Del Sol quit updating, and Corpnews is boring.

You should really be posting at the Vault.

Here's a dirty little secret of mine:  As much as I've heard the Vault referred to badly over the years, I've never been there and barely know what it is.

[Jain Zar]

What cost $595 in 1982 would cost $1207.04 in 2005.

You're goddamn right the 360 is less. What cost $399.99 in 2005 would cost $197.17 in 1982.

First off, the C 64 was available and had software released for it till around 93, 94 in the UK.
Do we really think the X Box 360 will have a 10 year shelf life?  Considering the X Box effectively has
4 full years before the 360, and will probably have 1 more year with any new releases, maybe 2, one
could say the C 64 cost half what it did, since it was supported about twice as long.

Not to mention the price of the 64 dropped to around 200 for most of its life.  When I got mine in 87,
it was 125 for the CPU, and about the same for the disk drive and printer.  Ironically, the NES deluxe system
I got the year before cost 139, more than the C64 core.  In 89 I got a Genesis for 189, and it was for all
intents and purposes an Amiga 500 with slightly better graphics and only played games.  In 92 when I got
said Amiga 500, it was around 500-600 bucks. 

Oh yeah.  AND THE C64 WAS A FUCKING COMPUTER NOT A GAME SYSTEM.  Computers tend to do more.

So what is the point here?

Other than that Joss Whedon shows suck, Final Fantasy is overrated, and buying an X Box 360 is idiotic?

[Sairon]

Final Fantasy is overrated

Final Fantasy is underrated, they don't have a single game at top 10 on gamerankings, heck not even top 20. However if you order by user ratings instead of site ratings suddenly 2 final fantasy games pop up. In my opinion Final Fantasy 7 is the greatest game ever created, and a lot of my mates thinks the same.

[Sky]

My Ford will kick your Chevy's ass.

[Toast]

Well, I seen this thing where Calvin, he's peein on a Ford logo.

I started out with Final Fantasy on the NES. I sure did love the sequels that we actually got in the states.

[Simond]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV

OMG I have to get one of these!

[Jain Zar]

Its pretty awesome.  Got one last year.  Haven't hacked it or did any of the easter egg bits, but hell.  Its got IMPOSSIBLE MISSION on it.

"Come stay a while.  Stay... FOREVER!!!"

[Sky]

Blah, I knew I should've gotten some pics of my C64 emu running on my hdtv :) That was bizzare.

[Jain Zar]

That's half the fun dude!

Just because technology keeps advancing and making our older stuff "obsolete", doesn't mean it actually is.

And its nice and rebellious to use high tech to enjoy old school, especially since old school can be better, or at least have a "soul" to it.

[Sky]

My inner child jumped out and patted me on the back, saying "Good job, man!"

It then saw my new Gibson and ran away with it. Little bastard.

[Jealous Deva]

Final Fantasy is overrated

Final Fantasy is underrated, they don't have a single game at top 10 on gamerankings, heck not even top 20. However if you order by user ratings instead of site ratings suddenly 2 final fantasy games pop up. In my opinion Final Fantasy 7 is the greatest game ever created, and a lot of my mates thinks the same.

None of them particularly deserve to be in the top 10.  Chrono Trigger and Phantasy Star 2 and 4 were arguably superior to any of the 16-bit FFs.  FF7 was quite innovative but in hindsight had a horribly overdone character development system and a completely incomprehensible plot. It was a trail blazer certainly for 3d rpgs and introduced rpgs to a large market, but it was hardly the best RPG ever or anything.  FF8 and FF9 were mediocre.  FF10 was ok but better JRPGs are out there for contemporary systems.  FF11 was poor for its genre.

FF games are like steven spielberg movies.  Generally well liked and financially successful but not particularly technically or artistically outstanding for the time they were created in.

[schild]

I beg to differ, as far as artistically astounding goes, FF7 was one of the best looking reasonably early PSX games and FFVI was barnone the best looking SNES game. They've always been a leader of the pack as far as CGI goes - even outdoing teamninja.

[Margalis]

It is REALLY hard to see how FF games are not both technically and artistically outstanding.

FFVI was a huge game, had some of the best graphics on the SNES with huge spell effects, giant enemies, etc. Just the fact they could cram so much game into a cartridge is pretty astounding. FFIV had some of the best music for any SNES game, both technically and artistically. And the 3D FFs have always been the leader of the pack as far as production value, character models, etc etc.

The graphics in FFVI were like an entire new generation somehow done on the SNES. It makes a lot of SNES games look close to NES quality.

Even FFXI is technically and artistically far stronger than other games of the same era. (Gameplay wise, yeah not so good...)

I'm no FF fanboy. PS2 and PS4 are also great games. (PS3 - we'll pretend you never existed!) But FFIV was really an amazing game. It had great characterization, which is something you rarely see in any game. (Or movie or book for that matter) And the game was loaded with unforgettable events - when the box opens and destroys the village, fighting the dolls with their creepy music, landing on the moon...

Chrono Trigger was a good game but it isn't even close to FFIV.

As far as 3D RPGs are concerned, I can take them or leave them, including FF. I thought FF7 was just boring, especially with only 3 characters in a party. That's one thing the new RPGs often lack - in FFIV you had 5 characters in a party. From what I remember FFX still has only 3 on-screen party members at once - weak.

[SurfD]

I beg to differ, as far as artistically astounding goes, FF7 was one of the best looking reasonably early PSX games and FFVI was barnone the best looking SNES game. They've always been a leader of the pack as far as CGI goes - even outdoing teamninja.

Im going to have to disagree with you on that one.  Have you ever downloaded the roms of some of the RPG's by square and other houses that were put out on SNES after FFVI?  There are a few that are argueably better graphically looking then FFVI.  Its a shame that we never got ports of them over here, and the only way to play them is through emulator (and praying someone did a text translation patch for them)

[schild]

Oh there's some better stuff, but it's still by Square. So the point still stands, as far as looks go though the best WE got was FFVI (on the SNES). Simply put anyone who wasn't giddy when they saw the colors of the opening town with Locke is just lying to themselves. They know their heart jumped when they saw the color usage. FFVI looked better than most of the stuff on the saturn and some of the early early PSX stuff. The color usage was just spectacular. Unfortunately now they use those colors for girl bands evil.