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HaemishM
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This is only really an issue if you're someone that tries to maximize your damage as a damage class. Otherwise, go nuts, it's your dime.
I think I'm about as far from a min/maxer as you can possibly be without going total faggy roleplaya. I appreciate all the input, it just reminds me why I try to avoid such discussions, why I never look up loot I'm not currently questing for, and consequently have fun in WoW. I remember ooooing and aaaaahing at all the loot (and then planning raids to go get said loot) from EQ, and if I ever try to play that way again, FUCKING SHOOT ME DIRECTLY IN THE FACE. I did get a decent sword drop in Deadmines last night, so I may try swords just to fuck around with them a bit. But as the group last night can attest, I didn't even know how to set up a macro in WoW. I was assisting the main tank in the group just on mouse clicks.
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Mesozoic
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Dren
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I guess that sort of makes sense if you have to have so many characters on such a short schedule, although you're leveling each one at around 2/3 of the rate of one non-rest character--200% xp for one hour, or 315%xp for (100% x 3 hours, plus ~15% rest accumulated)
I understand what you are saying, but there is more to it than that. When I work on quests with full rest experience I am gaining levels faster while working on level appropriate quests at the same time. I've noticed that when you work on one character exclusively, you run out of quests to do that aren't red and you are forced to go to other areas and/or grind to get to the next level. (I got my paladin to lvl 60 this way, so I know about that first hand.) I keep my interest level in the game highest when I switch around like this because my characters always have yellow/green quests available to them in any area I visit. It never takes me long to get onto another quest. Thus, I'm constantly adding to my exp gain with finishing quests quickly. I also use the family concept by sending each of my characters the items they need for their respective professions. This also saves me a lot of time and money in the long run rather than relying on other players or the AH to support me. I do have to go to the AH sometimes but less often and never for easily gathered items, just the rare ones. My characters always have the best potions/armor/weapons/bags that are appropriate for their level. This also helps speed up my leveling. (I just wish I could send enchantments.) While all of this sounds complicated, it isn't and it never really feels like a grind this way. It feels like I'm constantly contributing and progressing.
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Polysorbate80
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I've never run out of appropriate quests, but then again I'm only level 19, so I suppose it's easy for them to dry up later. Haven't had to grind yet; the closest thing yet that feels grindy is killing all the crap that attacks me on the way to/from quests; which begs another question--does low-level gray shit EVER stop aggroing? Pain in the butt, it is...
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Merusk
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This is only really an issue if you're someone that tries to maximize your damage as a damage class. Otherwise, go nuts, it's your dime.
I think I'm about as far from a min/maxer as you can possibly be without going total faggy roleplaya. I appreciate all the input, it just reminds me why I try to avoid such discussions, why I never look up loot I'm not currently questing for, and consequently have fun in WoW. I remember ooooing and aaaaahing at all the loot (and then planning raids to go get said loot) from EQ, and if I ever try to play that way again, FUCKING SHOOT ME DIRECTLY IN THE FACE. I did get a decent sword drop in Deadmines last night, so I may try swords just to fuck around with them a bit. But as the group last night can attest, I didn't even know how to set up a macro in WoW. I was assisting the main tank in the group just on mouse clicks. Same here, which is why I specificaly mentioned that I know gouge-bs is less 'efficient' but damnit, it's more fun. And screw macros, it's just another button you have to worry about on your UI. I just hit whichever F1-5 key the MA is and then use the default "F" to assist. I only worry about macros in raids.
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Dren
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I've never run out of appropriate quests, but then again I'm only level 19, so I suppose it's easy for them to dry up later. Haven't had to grind yet; the closest thing yet that feels grindy is killing all the crap that attacks me on the way to/from quests; which begs another question--does low-level gray shit EVER stop aggroing? Pain in the butt, it is...
No they never stop aggroing, but the radius in which they agro gets smaller and smaller. You practically have to run over them if you are 15+ level higher than them. But, you have to always avoid them somewhat or just keep running while they tap you on the back.
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Rasix
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I think I'm about as far from a min/maxer as you can possibly be without going total faggy roleplaya. I appreciate all the input, it just reminds me why I try to avoid such discussions, why I never look up loot I'm not currently questing for, and consequently have fun in WoW. I remember ooooing and aaaaahing at all the loot (and then planning raids to go get said loot) from EQ, and if I ever try to play that way again, FUCKING SHOOT ME DIRECTLY IN THE FACE.
I did get a decent sword drop in Deadmines last night, so I may try swords just to fuck around with them a bit. But as the group last night can attest, I didn't even know how to set up a macro in WoW. I was assisting the main tank in the group just on mouse clicks.
There's a quest around level 50 for Mauradon which gives you a sword that you can use for the rest of your roguely life. 35 DPS, slow as hell and has a basic "flurry" proc. Anyone that does Mauradon to the end will end up finishing this quest. And everyone wants to do that instance, it's a loot gold mine. For end game daggers, you can get the Barman shanker through what I'd consider a rogue's "right of passage" by soloing Plugger in Black Rock Depths. It uses a lot of a rogue's skill to pull it off and I always treated it as an "assassination" mission. It's not easy but it's a good challenge and attemptable in 10-20 minute chunks of time. There's a lot of rogue gear in the end levels that pretty easily accessible for anyone. Really, you can forget the end game raid stuff, it really isn't worth it considering you can get a lot of cool stuff with just 4 friends and a couple hours. You'll never need to shoot yourself in the face
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Strazos
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One thing... you know how hard it is to find the backside on a amorphous blob to backstab?
Just see which part of the mob swings at you, and then run to the other side. Happened a lot in EQ.
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HaemishM
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There's a lot of rogue gear in the end levels that pretty easily accessible for anyone. Really, you can forget the end game raid stuff, it really isn't worth it considering you can get a lot of cool stuff with just 4 friends and a couple hours. You'll never need to shoot yourself in the face There are raids in WoW? :-D Glad to know I can be an effective rogue without sucking up to Uber_Guild_0043 or being /shudder pickup raids. I'd rather cheese-grater my butt cheeks in a salt water bath.
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Threash
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There's a lot of rogue gear in the end levels that pretty easily accessible for anyone. Really, you can forget the end game raid stuff, it really isn't worth it considering you can get a lot of cool stuff with just 4 friends and a couple hours. You'll never need to shoot yourself in the face There are raids in WoW? :-D Glad to know I can be an effective rogue without sucking up to Uber_Guild_0043 or being /shudder pickup raids. I'd rather cheese-grater my butt cheeks in a salt water bath. The Barman shanker is really a wonderfull weapon. I finally upgraded it a few weeks ago, from the low 50s 36dps shanker to a purple 48 dps dagger. The damage difference was minimal, i hardly feel like im doing any more damage, just because the shanker is 2.00 speed and my new dagger is 1.8. In fact someone did the math and if i can get over 900 attack power (not hard with pali/warrior buffs) the shanker in fact does MORE damage than my uber epic dagger. So yeah, you really dont have to raid unless you want to do 1600dmg on your ambush instead of 1575 or whatever.
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Dren
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So yeah, you really dont have to raid ...
You don't know how warm that makes me feel. Thanks!
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Merusk
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Get the Ragefury eyepatch out of BRD bar while you're there. It doesn't matter how many times you have to do that event, just do it. 2% crit on it and it's an eyepatch graphic, which makes it worth turning on the helm graphics again. . I was lucky enough to get it for my hunter because there were no rogues in the group (and it was a guild group) when I went through.
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Threash
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Get the Ragefury eyepatch out of BRD bar while you're there. It doesn't matter how many times you have to do that event, just do it. 2% crit on it and it's an eyepatch graphic, which makes it worth turning on the helm graphics again. . I was lucky enough to get it for my hunter because there were no rogues in the group (and it was a guild group) when I went through. If i could wear an eyepath AND a pirate hat i'd never wear anything else. And i don't mean just on that slot.
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Dren
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Have you guys run across that potion that makes you look like a pirate yet? I got in on a group with my guild one night and they all looked like pirates. They made fun of me and handed me a bottle that said "Drink me." I drank it and viola, I was a pirate for an hour. It was pretty funny. The outfit is different depending on your sex and class.
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HaemishM
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I must make me some of this pirate potion.
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Ironwood
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Deviate Delight. It can cause you to 'Flip Out' which turns you into a Ninja for an hour.
Another funny one is you get Feign Death for five minutes too. Which, if you're not a hunter, actually convinces PvP opponents that you are dead. However, if you keep it on for the full five minutes, YOU ACTUALLY DIE.
Forward the Roflcopter.
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Merusk
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Deviate Delight. It can cause you to 'Flip Out' which turns you into a Ninja for an hour.
Another funny one is you get Feign Death for five minutes too. Which, if you're not a hunter, actually convinces PvP opponents that you are dead. However, if you keep it on for the full five minutes, YOU ACTUALLY DIE.
Sweet, I didn't know about the Ninja stuff. I must find me some. Oh, and the FD thing happens with hunters, too. It's so people don't use it as an "AFK/ Spawncamping" tool like Necros/ Monks did in EQ.
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Ironwood
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Yes, I know. The 'Hunters' bit was just that No-one in PvP is going to actually believe that you died properly as a hunter unless they kick your body about a bit, just in case.
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kaid
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Actually thats not true Ironwood I have used FD in battle if you time it right when you are low health I can and have had people buy it. Usually though what I use it for is to sew confusion in a big melee if you are getting wacked FD. This detargets you and if anybody else hits the guy attacking you in that time they auto target on the new attacker.
I use this often in brawls to get people off me and then stand up a few seconds later and multishot the dumbass that didn't finish me off.
Admittedly it does not work super often but hey any time it does work was a time you would have died otherwise.
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Ironwood
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multishot the dumbass that didn't finish me off.
I have highlighted the part that means that your FD wouldn't work on me. Not that I'd give much time for an FD.
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kaid
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You said nobody would believe it but sad as it is they do every single night at least a couple times when I PVP. Is FD super useful in pvp nope but it can and does work.
Anybody who knows what the hell they are doing will stake the heart of a hunter just to make sure they are gone but as in all mmrpg the number of people who know what the hell they are doing is minimal.
The funniest thing I saw two nights ago had me crying I was laughing so hard. A warrior got the jump on me and I was hamstrung 9 ways to sunday so I hit fd figuring I had nothing to lose. The warror just stands there starts walking away turns around comes up to me again walks around me a bit walks a way turns around looks at me again then just waddles off. That was the most confused looking cow I have ever seen.
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Zetor
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Actually as a rogue, you should pick up bows, xbows AND guns -- there are excellent items from all 3, typically with +agi, +sta, sometimes +hit% or +AP. You only use 'em for pulling anyway, esp. if you have improved sap (sap a mob, move next to a corner, hit a second mob and move around the corner where your group is waiting). Plus if you have a gun/bow/xbow, you can put an accurascope on it for another +1% to hit.
re rogue builds: I agree, go full combat up to 60. Get improved sinister strike, imp evis, malice, then build up the combat tree to adrenaline rush, get Master of Deception 3 on the way (highest rank you'll need for solo pve). Maybe respec at 60 after you get your barman shanker (I'm an insanely lucky bugger, got my first shanker on the first solo run I did, then I vendored my entire inventory by accident and got another shanker in the NEXT run). I'm currently something silly like 17/11/23 with riposte, preparation, imp sap, imp ambush.. only use the shanker to ambush, since 600 ping + positioning for backstab = sad face. You WILL need prep for pvp.. you can get away with adrenaline rush if you don't mind getting feared / rooted / sheeped when you activate it.
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Phred
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Cheap shot is joy. You don't get that until level 26 though. I don't think I really used openers that much until then. Before that I likely just shot what I had once and then SS'd myself silly. Ambush is good (at 18), but you need a dagger and sometimes that just isn't feasible. Garotte isn't bad, but it's positional. I wouldn't bother with sneaking into position just for a backstab and that somewhat makes MOD slightly useless until you have CS.
At least when you get Cheap Shot, you'll have distract and Rank 2 of stealth. Plus Cheap Shot is 2 CPs or most of the time it can be 3 with 5 in Initiative. I think I had MOD when I got CS so that helped too. You kinda put away the missile weapons once you start relying on your openers.
Except I've run across situations where I can pull a single but getting in position to ambush will give me an add. Of course you can always sap to deal with that, though rarely that can bring more adds until you have improved sap. The other thing I haven't seen mentioned about range weapons other than knives is range. Bows and guns tend to have a slightly longer range from my experience with them when I switched from knives on my rogue. Mainly though, it's all about the stats. I think my bow skill is in the low 100's at 60, so I didn't use it a lot, but it was handy when needed and the extra sta and agi doesnt hurt at all.
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Phred
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One thing... you know how hard it is to find the backside on a amorphous blob to backstab?
Just see which part of the mob swings at you, and then run to the other side. Happened a lot in EQ. What's even funnier is you can pickpocket the blobs in WoW. Where they keep their pockets I have no idea.
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Dren
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One thing... you know how hard it is to find the backside on a amorphous blob to backstab?
Just see which part of the mob swings at you, and then run to the other side. Happened a lot in EQ. What's even funnier is you can pickpocket the blobs in WoW. Where they keep their pockets I have no idea. Which blobs exactly? I typically can't pickpocket anything that isn't humanoid. Even some things that are somewhat humanoid too, like yeti's.
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Phred
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As far as I remember every blob I tried is pickpocketable. The ones in the hinterlands definately are and I think the ones in the wetlands were too. Never tried the ones in ashenvale though.
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Dren
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Damn it. Why don't Yeti's have pockets then??!! They have change on them when I kill them.
Oh well, if they did, my rogue would just camp out there for 3 levels since he has skinning too. Extra cash from pickpocketing, exp, kill cash, AND some leather/hides = gold mine.
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Threash
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I think it makes sense that blobs would be pick pocketable, afterall they are kinda big jello containers. I can see a skilled rogue reaching in and pulling something out, not exactly from pockets but from the blob itself.
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Zetor
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Also, slimes have crap loot tables... level 60 slimes drop the same loot as level 20 ones. You also can't skin them, unlike yeti and worgen.
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Also, slimes have crap loot tables... level 60 slimes drop the same loot as level 20 ones. You also can't skin them, unlike yeti and worgen. -- Z.
With one sole exception - the 50+ oozes in Un Goro have one of the best drop rates for high end tribal leather patterns. Which are absolutely vital for my druid.
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A slime named after Johnny Wilson, Chief Editor of Computer Gaming World (CGW), who gave UO the award for "Coaster of the Year". A slime by another other name... Har, I might have actually used it as a coaster.
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I remember that review, it's the one that kept me from buying UO. I can't say I'm upset at that, either. His description of his first (and only ) 1/2day in-game was enough to make me wonder why the game had been made in the first place.
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