Episode 3

[Yegolev]

Hamill, at the Jedi Academy: "Why won't these students listen to me?? Why why WHY WHY WWWHHHYYYYY??"
Yoda's blue ghost: "Stop bitching you must!"

Heh, maybe you should write that one.  I'd go see it with dialogue like that.

[Samwise]

Hamill, at the Jedi Academy: "Why won't these students listen to me?? Why why WHY WHY WWWHHHYYYYY??"
Yoda's blue ghost: "Stop bitching you must!"

Anakin's blue ghost: "Fuck it.  KILL 'EM LIKE PIGS, SON!"

[Shockeye]

Lucas May Have Lead For New Star Wars TV Show
Author: Wayne Hall
Date: 05-24-2005
Source: SciFi Wire

Australian actor Matthew Newton could portray the lead hero in an upcoming Star Wars television series, according to SciFi Wire.

Apparently not content to end the franchise with a record-breaking opening for the last of the feature films, George Lucas has reportedly checked on Newton's availability to see if he's free to join the cast of Star Wars to return to the small screen.

As reported in the Oz Sunday Herald Sun Newspaper, Lucas first met the young actor who appeared in the movie "Queen of the Damned" when he auditioned to play a young adult Anakin Skywalker in "Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones."

Newton, now 28, is believed to be the runner-up to Hayden Christensen, who concluded the evolution of the character into Darth Vader. In fact, Newton was even flown to Skywalker Ranch to test for the role.

Speculation centers around Newton being considered to play the lead hero in the show, which is expected to follow the lives of all-new characters.

"Revenge of the Sith" brought in a record $158.5 million over its opening four days. However, "Spider-Man 2" still has the highest income over a Friday-through-Monday weekend, earning $114.8 million in 2002 to "Revenge's" $108.5 million over a comparable three-day period.

[Llava]

Oh yeah! Because if you're looking for credentials, it doesn't get much better than QUEEN OF THE FUCKING DAMNED.

[Yegolev]

Oh yeah! Because if you're looking for credentials, it doesn't get much better than QUEEN OF THE FUCKING DAMNED.

One of the things Lucas thinks he did right originally was cast a bad, bad lead actor.

[El Gallo]

I'd like to see a movie about the true, ancient origins of the Sith.  Were they Jedi at the very beginning?  Another group that learned the Force?  For that matter, how did the Jedi get started way back when?

I would not, however, want Lucas involved in the project.  So really I'm just wanting something that will never happen.

I would want Lucas to do the general outline of the story and lay out the basic nature of the world.  I'd want him to design all the locations and keep collaborating with Williams, too.  Those things were all good, even (I'd even say especially) in the prequels.  I'd just want him to stay FAR AWAY from writing dialogue, picking actors, and directing them.

I said what do you think would be more interesting.... telling a story prior to PHANTOM MENANCE or after RETURN OF THE JEDI?

I would not want to see anything after RotJ unless it was way, way, way after.  The galaxy was just saved at horrible cost in an epic story.  Anything that happens a couple years down the line would either be (a) Scouring of the Shire -- The Movie, which would be trivial or (b) Grendel's Mother -- The Movie, which would make the events of the first 6 movies meaningless [insert snappy slam here].  The galaxy has to be pretty much fixed for another thousand years plus, or everything was for naught. 

[Triforcer]

I'd like to see a movie about the true, ancient origins of the Sith.  Were they Jedi at the very beginning?  Another group that learned the Force?  For that matter, how did the Jedi get started way back when?

I would not, however, want Lucas involved in the project.  So really I'm just wanting something that will never happen.

I would want Lucas to do the general outline of the story and lay out the basic nature of the world.  I'd want him to design all the locations and keep collaberating with Williams, too.  Those things were all good, even (I'd even say especially) in the prequels.  I'd just want him to stay FAR AWAY from writing dialogue, picking actors, and directing them.

I said what do you think would be more interesting.... telling a story prior to PHANTOM MENANCE or after RETURN OF THE JEDI?

I would not want to see anything after RotJ unless it was way, way, way after.  The galaxy was just saved at horrible cost in an epic story.  Anything that happens a couple years down the line would either be (a) Scouring of the Shire -- The Movie, which would be trivial or (b) Grendel's Mother -- The Movie, which would make the events of the first 6 movies meaningless [insert snappy slam here].  The galaxy has to be pretty much fixed for another thousand years plus, or everything was for naught. 

Never read the EU.  It pretty much makes Vader's sacrifice meaningless, because the Emperor's consciousness had flown into a cloned body of his or some shit and they had to spend a few of the first post ROTJ books re-killing him.

[Samprimary]

Sweet merciful jesus...this thing will never end, will it?  I'm already shuddering to think of what the TV series will be like.

It will be good! And feature good actors. And have an intriguing plot about jedi hiding incognito and pressured to perform a vital task as the republic crumbles and becomes the empire. And they have to save the budding rebellion by stopping the clones, somehow. And the jedi present in the storyline will be well integrated and most of the issues they face involve having to live independant of the formerly all-encompassing element of the Jedi academy in their lives, and how they have to move past that. And they will do this by becoming jaded and sardonic, and perhaps cautiously adventurous, and there won't be any crying. Plus, a miniseries with a young swoop-racing Han.

Alternately, Lucas will control the process as opposed to me and it will suck.

[Jayce]

Or maybe people will become Jedis only by trying every profession under the sun until one day, they magically become force-sensitive and have to spend 20 years grinding on Dantooine against a steady stream of rancors.

Then one day, after a long time in which the only good fighters are combat medics, armor will for some reason cease to work as well as it used to and bunnies all over will kill people for no discernable reason.

[Pococurante]

Not really, but that's how Lucas would write it, because he writes dialogue like a moody 16-year-old.

Perhaps this is not the MOG for you. ;)

Seriously, his stuff was ever written for precocious pre-pubescents.  Not that there's anything wrong with his intent.  Just with those same precocious types that never matured to the Great Books.

[sidereal]

ten or more guys blasting you at close-quarters is impossible to stop with a lightsaber.

Unless the plot calls for it, in which case it's fucking child's play.  The utter arbitrariness of Jedi abilities is one of the most galling things about the prequels.  I don't recall the original trilogy being that all-over-the-place.  Luke seemed pretty consistent at the kung-fu-master-with-psychic-powers level of ability.  I don't recall him taking on 40 droids at once and then getting shot in the back like a jackass 10 minutes later.

The Twil'eks name is Aayla Secura (played by  this hottie)

He is hot.

[Threash]

ten or more guys blasting you at close-quarters is impossible to stop with a lightsaber.

Unless the plot calls for it, in which case it's fucking child's play.  The utter arbitrariness of Jedi abilities is one of the most galling things about the prequels.  I don't recall the original trilogy being that all-over-the-place.  Luke seemed pretty consistent at the kung-fu-master-with-psychic-powers level of ability.  I don't recall him taking on 40 droids at once and then getting shot in the back like a jackass 10 minutes later.

The Twil'eks name is Aayla Secura (played by  this hottie)

He is hot.

The only place where Jedi kick that amount of ass is on the clone war cartoons.  In the movies Jedi can only block a few shots, too many and they die like anyone else  See the guy who tried to attack dooku in AOTC only get shot down by Jango after blocking one single shot, hell see most of the over 200 Jedi who got their shit kicked in at that battle. If you can point out any scene in any of the six movies where a Jedi blocks more than a few blaster shots of focused fire at near point blank range then im all ears.

I know damn well the prequels are all very flawed movies, the first two alot more than the third.  I'm no Lucas apologist, but the amount of nit picking this movies endure is beyond ridiculous.  Specially when 99% of the things people complain about are mere trivialities that would get overlooked on any other movie or just flat out WRONG.  Leia having "feelings and images" of her mother is NOT a plot hole, its entirely consistent with what we know of the force.  Padme having twin girls would be a plot hole.  Leia doesn't say she remembers spending time at her mother's knee. She says all she has is "Feelings, images." Who are the two characters in the series that have force "visions" of major events concerning their family? Anakin and Luke. In ESB, Yoda explicitly says that these Force visions can be of the past, as well as the future. "Through the Force, other places, other times you will see. The future, the past. Old friends long gone." Luke complains that "My mind fills with so many images." Yoda responds "Control! Control! You must learn control!".

Yes, it's a spooje. But it's a spooje that is perfectly workable within the context of Star Wars, and allows Episode III to be the best story possible. If Lucas chose to have Leia born first, and Luke a year or so afterwards, and find some other way for Padme to die, it would be a shitty story, and you'd have something else to bitch about.

[Margalis]

If you can point out any scene in any of the six movies where a Jedi blocks more than a few blaster shots of focused fire at near point blank range then im all ears.

I can point to plenty of scenes where Jedis were fighting against many opponents at once who were all firing at them - but I guess they were being polite and taking turns. The Jedis took on plenty of droids in TPM - I guess in the Star Wars universe machine vision research is a bit behind or something.

So, your point is that it's easy for a couple people to fire at once and kill a Jedi, they just choose not to when it isn't convenient for the plot. Ok then.

I think I'll invent a character called "Invincible Man" who will be invincible because nobody will ever think to do anything to him. It makes perfect sense. Then one day in a stroke of genius someone will decide to shoot him and he'll instantly die.

[Threash]

If you can point out any scene in any of the six movies where a Jedi blocks more than a few blaster shots of focused fire at near point blank range then im all ears.

I can point to plenty of scenes where Jedis were fighting against many opponents at once who were all firing at them - but I guess they were being polite and taking turns. The Jedis took on plenty of droids in TPM - I guess in the Star Wars universe machine vision research is a bit behind or something.

So, your point is that it's easy for a couple people to fire at once and kill a Jedi, they just choose not to when it isn't convenient for the plot. Ok then.

I think I'll invent a character called "Invincible Man" who will be invincible because nobody will ever think to do anything to him. It makes perfect sense. Then one day in a stroke of genius someone will decide to shoot him and he'll instantly die.

I just saw this the other night and there was nothing there like you are sugesting.  The only time in the movies they faced the same kind of focused fired like they did in Sith was at the end of clones, and they died like bitches.

[Jayce]

I'm no Lucas apologist, but the amount of nit picking this movies endure is beyond ridiculous. 

I don't really agree.  When you make a series of movies (or books!) like this, you are not only writing a story, you are creating a world.  If the story is any good, people will care about the world.  If you screw up the continuity, people will endure it up to a certain point, coming up with explanations and mitigating circumstances.

At some point, people get tired of doing this, which is work that should have been done by the story's creator.  Meeting him/her halfway is one thing, but essentially rewriting the story in one's head is another.  Some people have higher tolerances for this, so you have people playing the apologetic and other people just annoyed.  Most often the annoyed ones also were in love with the world once, and what they are really angry about is all the energy they expended on a world that ended up inconsistent unless you introduce all kinds of unlikely explanations.  It's worse than screwing up continuity in a movie based in a real setting, because there, at least the milieu is always consistent and beleivable.

[Murgos]

I can point to plenty of scenes where Jedis were fighting against many opponents at once who were all firing at them - but I guess they were being polite and taking turns. The Jedis took on plenty of droids in TPM - I guess in the Star Wars universe machine vision research is a bit behind or something.

So, your point is that it's easy for a couple people to fire at once and kill a Jedi, they just choose not to when it isn't convenient for the plot. Ok then.

Maybe the droids are easier to predict with the force?  Possibly people are harder being more self-determined?  Perhaps Palipitine was able to focus his will across the galaxy at the moment he sent out those messages and cloud the minds of the Jedi when the troopers ambushed them?

Possibly this is a stupid discussion because I could invent any reason what-so-ever for the disparity and there would be no way at all to say I'm wrong.

[El Gallo]

I'm with Threash on this one, and it's always bugged me and I got jack for sleep last night so I am gonna rant.  The annoyed ones are mostly professional haters of things the people with stilted imaginations who are so used to being led by the nose through every tidbit of a Friends episode.  Let's take the OMG JEDI BEATEN BY CLONE BUT OBI WAN WAS AN INVINCIBLE BADASS LOL CONTINUITY LOL example, because it is more credible than most (like the Leia & her mom one).  Yes, a bunch of jedi die rather ignominiously to order 66.  I mean, really, is it so hard to believe that the central character force users are more powerful than the others (stated or implied many, many times)?  That the jedi aren't as invincible as Luke thinks they are (Qui Gon dispels the notion that jedi are invincible to anakin even when he thinks there aren't any sith around, so jedi getting killed by regular dudes is no great shakes).  That the jedi have become dependent on the clones and trust them (as shown by the otherwise gratuitous" Obi Wan and his clone underling chatting it up like buddies" scene not to mention the clones saving the jedi's bacon in Ep2)?  That the jedi’s ability to use the force/see the future/whatever is greatly lessened because of the dark side (which is only mentioned about fifty seven trillion times, but apparently not often enough) and/or the decadence of the jedi themselves (which Yoda goes off on).  That the drones were utterly trustworthy without a single thought of ever betraying the jedi until the moment they were given the order by Palpy, which is utterly unlike any other living being that has ever attacked these jedi?  The list goes on and on.

[hyperbole]
Apparently, people would rather have this scene before every jedi gank:

Jedi: you know, clone, we've been through a lot and I've come to depend on you and think of you as a friend.  I know you are a clone, remember the water planet from the last movie?  The one with the clones?  Yeah, you were one of them.  Yes, I know you had a different hat on then, but you are one of those guys.  You must have gotten this different-colored hat from a  scene that wasn't shown [OMG CONTINUITY OMG].  

Clone: Thanks

Jedi: You've always been unquestioningly loyal.  Thanks for that.  I've never even sensed any hint of selfishness from you.  You and your bros have been great.  My skills have been in decline.  Yeah, I think it might be the dark lord of the sith, I wish we knew who that was.

CUT TO: Palpatine stroking mustache screaming I AM THE DARK LORD OF THE SITH AND THE JEDI DON'T KNOW IT MWAHAHAHAHAHA Get it -- the DARK.  LORD.  OF.  THE.  SITH.  The one the jedi are probably talking about right now.  

Jedi: My powers may have also been weakened by my own pride and decadence

CUT TO: flashback of one of the trillion times Yoda has said this

Jedi: Anyway, I'm glad you have my back, bud.  Lets press on to kill some separatists.

Clone: Yes ma'am.  Thank you, it's been an honor to serve.  Don't be so hard on yourself, you kick ass.

CUT TO: emperor giving order 66.  CUT TO: scene on cloning planet with cloner dude putting a clump of cells with a Mario Lemieux jersey in some clone's head.  Palpatine is standing over him, staring directly at the camera saying "mwahahahaha this is the order that will kill the jedi.  It will remain dormant until I give a command.  Then they will kill the jedi.  After I give that command.  But up until then, it will remain dormant.  Get it?  Until I speak these words, the clones won't be thinking about killing any jedi.  Once I give it, they'll kill jedi.  That will surprise even the skilled jedi, because it's unlike anything they have ever experienced.  Let me spell it out for you, sixty-six equals kill-the-jedi.  Any questions, good?"

Clone: receives order 66

Jedi: something seems to be fucked up with the force just now but I need a second to figure out what because my mind is clouded by my arrogance and by the Dark Lord of the Sith.  Man, I really wish I knew who that was.

CUT TO: Emperor, saying MWAHAHAHA I AM THE DARK LORD OF THE SITH again, sends out bright purple rays from his head.  Over 15 minutes, you see the bright purple ray wind its way through space [gratuitous special effects!] until it lands on our jedi heroine's head.  You see little cartoon clouds over her head with little signs saying "HER VISION IS CLOUDED BY THE DARK SIDE.  REMEMBER, THIS RAY CAME FROM THE BAD GUY!!11!"

Clone: shoots jedi in the back with 20 of his closest friends.

Jedi: uhhhh...clonebudddy...why...

Clone: Sorry, I was given an order that set off this compulsion to kill jedi that was genetically programmed into my mind when I was cloned.  You remember that I was a clone right.  CUT TO: cloning scene from Ep2.  Even though I have a different hat now.  Yeah, anyway, I think the dark side + your arrogance + your trust in me + my actual loyalty until the second I ganked you conspired to get you killed before you could kill us.  Sorry about.  By the way, you are pretty hot for a jedi, but why do you walk around half naked instead of in a robe like everyone else?

Jedi:  uhhhh....ehhhh...you're right clone, eat at Burger King. (dies).

CUT TO: replay of the entire scene in super slow motion with gratuitous cleavage shots and a car chase.

[end hyperbole]

The are enough painfully un-subtle things in the movies as it is, so I can't understand most of the "I wish they had explained every moment in excruciating detail so that there is no possible way anyone could create an inconsistency no matter how hard they try" complaining.  Then again, lots of people left Ep 1 not realizing Palpy was the bad guy, and lots of people left Ep3 not realizing any link between Palpy and Plagus, even though I thought those scenes were painfully obvious and could have been a lot more subtle.

I'm not saying the continuity is perfect, but come the hell on.  Most of the continuity complaining sounds a lot like people looking for an excuse to bash Lucas for any reason (the vibe I get here), or people who expect everything to be spoonfed in tiny bites.  If you want to get your hate on, there are enough things to legitimately complain about (like the shitty dialogue and the horrid pacing).

[Murgos]

...people with stilted imaginations who are so used to being led through the nose of every tidbit of Friends.

Heh.  I've known people who needed an episode of Friends explained to them.

[El Gallo]

They always quote the typos and awkward sentences!

[Ironwood]

Jedi:  uhhhh....ehhhh...you're right clone, eat at Burger King. (dies).

Class.

[Merusk]

I'm not saying the continuity is perfect, but come the hell on.  Most of the continuity complaining sounds a lot like people looking for an excuse to bash Lucas for any reason (the vibe I get here), or people who expect everything to be spoonfed in tiny bites.  If you want to get your hate on, there are enough things to legitimately complain about (like the shitty dialogue and the horrid pacing).

I'm not hating on Lucas.  Hell, I'm one of the few people alive that actualy enjoyed Phantom Menace for more than just the QuiGon/ Maul/ ObiWan duel. (OMG!)

I don't even get why folks have latched on so hard to the 'what about Leia remembering her mother' thing.  It was a minor point that bothered me a little in the grand scheme of things. Like Obi Wan saying that Anakin was already one of the best pilots in the universe when they met.  Seeing the original for so many years put certain preconceptions in place.  Leia was remembering her ACTUAL mother, and knew she was adopted, and Anakin was at least 16+ when Obi Wan met him. I'm willing to admit they were my own preconceptions and get over them though. It's not my story, so I can't be pissed that it didn't go the way I thought it should.

Jedi:  uhhhh....ehhhh...you're right clone, eat at Burger King. (dies).

Class.

Agreed, that was great.

And even though it's super corporate whoring, the best commercial to come out of EP3 is the "Vader Meets The King" one where they just breathe at each other for the whole 30 seconds.  It makes me giggle like a 10 year old every time I see it.

[Ironwood]

And even though it's super corporate whoring, the best commercial to come out of EP3 is the "Vader Meets The King" one where they just breathe at each other for the whole 30 seconds.  It makes me giggle like a 10 year old every time I see it.

Alas, I fear we don't get the 'Burger King Dude' over here - judging from my swift googling anyway....

[Bunk]

Be glad, that Burger King dude must give children nightmares. Freakiest looking mascot, evar!

I'm wondering how many people you lost on that Mario Lemieux refference Gallo, but otherwise, great stuff.

[Paelos]

Be glad, that Burger King dude must give children nightmares. Freakiest looking mascot, evar!

I'm wondering how many people you lost on that Mario Lemieux refference Gallo, but otherwise, great stuff.

Not any hockey fans. #66 baby!

[HaemishM]

The only place where Jedi kick that amount of ass is on the clone war cartoons.  In the movies Jedi can only block a few shots, too many and they die like anyone else  See the guy who tried to attack dooku in AOTC only get shot down by Jango after blocking one single shot, hell see most of the over 200 Jedi who got their shit kicked in at that battle. If you can point out any scene in any of the six movies where a Jedi blocks more than a few blaster shots of focused fire at near point blank range then im all ears.

The Phantom Menace, on the Trade Federation Ship. Qui-Gon and Obi-Won effortlessly block asstons of droid shots, redirecting some of them to hit the droids. Seriously, Jedi abilities morph with the requirements of the story. They are not consistent within the prequel movies.

Now, I always found it strange that droids, who are assumedly some kind of computer, have all the precision of a fucking awkward 16-year old. Apparently, just walking upright and saying "Roger, Roger" takes up most of their processing power, so they can't actually target for shit. Or it could just be that Lucas didn't want to show the Jedi mindlessly slaughtering living things without a second thought. And if droids had definite personalities, which it is shown that they did, why was it ok to essentially make them sentient slaves?

[WayAbvPar]

Be glad, that Burger King dude must give children nightmares. Freakiest looking mascot, evar!

I'm wondering how many people you lost on that Mario Lemieux refference Gallo, but otherwise, great stuff.

Not any hockey fans. #66 baby!

Lemeiux is a bigger bitch than all the Jedis combined.

[El Gallo]

oh no you di'nt

[Murgos]

The Phantom Menace, on the Trade Federation Ship. Qui-Gon and Obi-Won effortlessly block asstons of droid shots, redirecting some of them to hit the droids. Seriously, Jedi abilities morph with the requirements of the story. They are not consistent within the prequel movies.

But Obi-wans abilities stayed consistant. Just saying, you know?

Perhaps all jedi are not created equal?

[Threash]

The Phantom Menace, on the Trade Federation Ship. Qui-Gon and Obi-Won effortlessly block asstons of droid shots, redirecting some of them to hit the droids. Seriously, Jedi abilities morph with the requirements of the story. They are not consistent within the prequel movies.

But Obi-wans abilities stayed consistant. Just saying, you know?

Perhaps all jedi are not created equal?

What do you call a Jedi D student?






Master...

[Evil Elvis]

Now, I always found it strange that droids, who are assumedly some kind of computer, have all the precision of a fucking awkward 16-year old. Apparently, just walking upright and saying "Roger, Roger" takes up most of their processing power, so they can't actually target for shit. Or it could just be that Lucas didn't want to show the Jedi mindlessly slaughtering living things without a second thought. And if droids had definite personalities, which it is shown that they did, why was it ok to essentially make them sentient slaves?

Riddle me this: if the robots need a big droid command ship (or whatever the unseen equivalent is for eps 2 and 3) to function, which contains their AI and also instructs ALL of them, why the fuck do they even need to speak to one another?

I guess we'd be missing out on teh comedy if they were mute, though.

[HaemishM]

So what we're saying is that Star Wars is really illogical and incosistent?

[Margalis]

I just saw this the other night and there was nothing there like you are sugesting.  The only time in the movies they faced the same kind of focused fired like they did in Sith was at the end of clones, and they died like bitches.

So again, the question becomes why not do that the whole time? "They could have killed them before but they weren't really trying" is pretty weak. That was the point of Invincible Man. If you never try to kill him, he's invincible.

[WindupAtheist]

Or it could just be that Lucas didn't want to show the Jedi mindlessly slaughtering living things without a second thought.

So go see Episode 3 already.  If nothing else, you'll maybe appreciate the bit where Yoda leaps up and decapitates two guys at a stroke.  And there's a cool but all-too-brief scene where he and Obi-Wan hack through a mob of clonetroopers.  It's not a Conan the Barbarian gorefest, but when I saw Yoda hurl his saber through a clone's chest, it occurred to me that this was a little more violent than the previous installments.

Yes, I know you had a different hat on then, but you are one of those guys.  You must have gotten this different-colored hat from a  scene that wasn't shown [OMG CONTINUITY OMG].

Priceless.   :-D

Riddle me this: if the robots need a big droid command ship (or whatever the unseen equivalent is for eps 2 and 3) to function, which contains their AI and also instructs ALL of them, why the fuck do they even need to speak to one another?

I assumed the droids had a measure of self-determination, but would still shut down if overall command were terminated.  Because they talked to each other, but still shut down when overall command was terminated.  Poor design?  A half-ass security measure against an attempt to hijack the droids?  A glaring flaw waiting to be exploited by the first enemy who just plain figures out how to jam the command signal?  Those droids were a shit-cheap disposable army, markedly inferior to human infantry of the same era, commanded by cowardly businessmen with zero military ability.  (Incompetence on the part of the incompetent is not a gaffe.)  By the outbreak of war, ten years later, the droid army appeared better-equipped.  And this flaw had presumably been corrected, since it never came up again.

[Zane0]

I just can't see the Jedi being decent "guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy" if they can be pwned by five or ten troopers, or a bunch of shitty mass-produced robots.

There were what, a couple thousand Jedi before the Vader purge?  They kept thousands of planets, thousands of billions of people in line.  With that in mind, you'd think a regular jedi would be able to handle just about anything, and that he would expect to be surrounded and outnumbered at all times, because using some simple reasoning, it's unlikely that he wouldn't be.  So, when we see Jedi being routinely slaughtered on the big screen, it just doesn't add up.

That doesn't take into account the fact that their innate reflexes have to be fucking incredible to deflect laser bolts.  Doing so would have to be almost entirely unconscious, so I don't think you could "trick" one into lowering their defences.

Whatever, this is far too much analysis into a universe that Lucas is essentially too lazy to prop up.

[Threash]

I just saw this the other night and there was nothing there like you are sugesting.  The only time in the movies they faced the same kind of focused fired like they did in Sith was at the end of clones, and they died like bitches.

So again, the question becomes why not do that the whole time? "They could have killed them before but they weren't really trying" is pretty weak. That was the point of Invincible Man. If you never try to kill him, he's invincible.

Because the whole point of the clone army was to ambush all the Jedi generals at ONCE when the order was given so none of the others knew it was happening.  Im sure if at any point the bad guys had any chance to slaughter the Jedi at the same time at point blank range they wouldn't have hesistated to take it, but they just happened to have an army of loyal clone troopers there the whole time to back them up so it didn't happen.  This is exactly what i meant on my previous posts, most of the people complaing either don't remember the movies correctly or are just hoping to find fault to go "see, see! he fucked up! right there, why didnt he use his amazing super powers!".  Give it up, really you are just reaching now.