No Trivial loot code. Bah.

[El Gallo]

I love you man.     Now go flame my trollbait in the other thread.

[Pococurante]

Considering all the angsty posts against catass farmers we accumulate on a monthly basis I'm surprised there are not more TLC lovers.

I was a bit surprised when I first started playing WoW that there was no disincentive to farm greys.  So I do it.  I'm not wrapped about it but then I'm all for virtual asset sales as well.  I don't think they do anything to hurt the game that attentive CS can't deal with.

[HaemishM]

I don't think they do anything to hurt the game that attentive CS can't deal with.

No such thing in MMOG's that cost less than $20 a month.

[Sky]

Considering all the angsty posts against catass farmers we accumulate on a monthly basis I'm surprised there are not more TLC lovers.

Because I'm also a soloer in a world of forced groupers.

I used to be a soloer in a world of willing groupies.

[Dren]

Considering all the angsty posts against catass farmers we accumulate on a monthly basis I'm surprised there are not more TLC lovers.

Because I'm also a soloer in a world of forced groupers.

I used to be a soloer in a world of willing groupies.

Word.

TLC would just punish those that farm for reasons other than selling items on Ebay or the like.  I can still play casually today.  TLC would ruin a big part of that.

TLC was one of the many reasons I left FFXI.  They had it, and it absolutely sucked for the casual player.

[Sky]

When I was still playing EQ, I jumped on their RP server (heh). Left soon after because it had TLC, I couldn't do a quest or some shit. Hey, at leaast in EQ you could lose enough experience to de-level and go back and do the quest, right?

[Dren]

When I was still playing EQ, I jumped on their RP server (heh). Left soon after because it had TLC, I couldn't do a quest or some shit. Hey, at leaast in EQ you could lose enough experience to de-level and go back and do the quest, right?

Ahhhhh, damn it you reminded me of another little gem from FFXI.  De-leveling is Satan's tool in MMOGS!!!  I will never play a game that allows you to de-level ever again.  Exp debt is close, but acceptable....for awhile.  WoW's system is spot on for me.

[Trippy]

Ahhhhh, damn it you reminded me of another little gem from FFXI.  De-leveling is Satan's tool in MMOGS!!!  I will never play a game that allows you to de-level ever again.  Exp debt is close, but acceptable....for awhile.  WoW's system is spot on for me.

Ah yes, gotta love the old EQ days where people would delevel themselves during Plane of Fear raids and not be able to get back in to get their corpses.

[Dren]

Heh, that's a good one.  Very sadistic.

FFXI was similar since you'd drop a lot of your newly aquired level appropriate items to your pack since you can no longer use them.  That also means you have to go to an easier zone to get back your level since you are now reduced to the power of new born baby and the smallest beach crab would pwn you in seconds.

Yep, death surely was painful back in the "good ole days."

I'll never go back.

[jpark]

At this time, having done a number of instances (WC, SFK, SM, Uldamen, RFD, RFK) repeatedly I gotta say:

Thanks.

The absence of a trivial loot code makes me appear to be a far more skilled player than any reputation I enjoyed before.  People are so goddamn used to Candy Runs, where they overpower the encounter with levels, they run away from anything in the appropriate level range and have never learned to play their class.

This means I have not only put together groups in the appropriate level range - but sometimes 3 man runs.  My bank is getting loaded with Blue items useful to me - when I eventually level enough so I can use them.

Blizzard might have to dumb down the 55+ instances (not there yet) since bringing a few 70's to make it a Candy Run won't be an option for the WoW community.

Realistically, just like in EQ, I can't see anything wrong with  adding a TLC server to the sever line-up.  Offer choice.

Putting together groups in the appropriate level range currently is not easy.  People for the most part are not used it, nor have developed the proper grouping skills / class skills for difficult combat.  Every time I have to coach them through it only after I have coaxed them to try it.

[Rasix]

Realistically, just like in EQ, I can't see anything wrong with  adding a TLC server to the sever line-up.  Offer choice.

Putting together groups in the appropriate level range currently is not easy.  People for the most part are not used it, nor have developed the proper grouping skills / class skills for difficult combat.  Every time I have to coach them through it only after I have coaxed them to try it.

You know what, I typed up a whole bunch of stuff but I realized it comes down to once phrase a piece.

Will never happen.  (TLC server).

And who fucking cares. (Game changes at 60. No one's forcing you to do those instances not to mention trivialize them.)

[Azazel]

One thing I've found is that if you just play the game in the normal manner, questing along and not grinding you actually skip over a lot of areas and their associated quests turn green or grey by the time you find them. Maybe this is because I played Beta for about a week before deciding I'd seen enough

While I have some alts I don't often play them, and really enjoy doing as many quests as I can with my main. Then there's also the challenge factor of doing a solo VC run just to see if you can..

I still hate the bnet kiddies who refuse to do stuff unless it's trivial. Stop being a wuss.

Maybe you should STFU and let them play however they like? Unless of course you pay for their accounts.

As the other guy above said, wading through hours of elite yard trash is just not always a lot of fun..

Az

[penfold]

Myself and 2 60s helped a couple of our late starter 30ish guys through SM the other night. It was fun, and without us it wouldnt have been do-able. We'll repeat for all of their instances and elite quests they have, its all about having fun with your mates at the end of the day, levels are irrelevant.

[jpark]

Myself and 2 60s helped a couple of our late starter 30ish guys through SM the other night. It was fun, and without us it wouldnt have been do-able. We'll repeat for all of their instances and elite quests they have, its all about having fun with your mates at the end of the day, levels are irrelevant.

It's nice to be able to do that and certainly that is fun.  But I am beginning to see a trade-off.

When the community at large becomes used to inviting higher levels to overpower the mission, it becomes difficult to find pick-up groups that are willing to do the scenario in the intended level range. 

The TLC server in EQ had some interesting dynamics.  Early in the game's history it was the least populated server.  In latter half of EQ's product time the server climbed dramatically in population as people looked for a different style of play from the community on that server as content became exhausted.