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Based on that picture alone looks like are sticking with the theme of bad art.
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schild
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oh yeah the art is absolutely shit
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game looks like shit
Yes. MArvel United artwork/miniatures are disappointing. The game play seems a bit simplistic, but they left enough room we might be surprised by a decent game under the theme... but likely not. However, my 4 year old will be 5 when this thing delivers (maybe 6) and should be just perfecly aged to play it with me for a while. I should have just one the $60 or $90, but he loves Thor, Spider-man and a few of the others in expansions. I'm going to enjoy the Dark Tower and Ankh ... but this one was for the family.
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game looks like shit
Yes. MArvel United artwork/miniatures are disappointing. The game play seems a bit simplistic, but they left enough room we might be surprised by a decent game under the theme... but likely not. However, my 4 year old will be 5 when this thing delivers (maybe 6) and should be just perfecly aged to play it with me for a while. I should have just one the $60 or $90, but he loves Thor, Spider-man and a few of the others in expansions. I'm going to enjoy the Dark Tower and Ankh ... but this one was for the family. Yeah the card decks are wayyy too small. More KDM style games = yes. But you can't give the bad guy a super simple 12 card deck and the good guy a 10 card deck and not think its going to get very boring very quickly surely? I didn't even see a lot of wild/zany rng elements to keep it from feeling samey after a few runs.
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schild
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if anyone's wondering fucking buy this
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if anyone's wondering fucking buy this It is not highly rated on BGG (the first edition) - why do you like it so much?
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if anyone's wondering fucking buy this It is not highly rated on BGG (the first edition) - why do you like it so much? Only the 2nd Edition, which largely obsoletes the first edition. The game walks a knife's edge of balancing future board states against current board states and the market while trying to sway things just slightly enough in your allegiance's direction to gain you points upon dominance checks. That is to say, every time you do something, it's to advance something in the margins. Very few plays are big splashy plays - so much so that if you have one or two of them in a short time frame you actually end up just ending the game early (if someone has 4 or more points than the next closest player at a dominance check, the game just ends). It's one of the most tense and subtly cutthroat games I've ever played.
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... That is to say, every time you do something, it's to advance something in the margins. Very few plays are big splashy plays - so much so that if you have one or two of them in a short time frame you actually end up just ending the game early (if someone has 4 or more points than the next closest player at a dominance check, the game just ends).
It's one of the most tense and subtly cutthroat games I've ever played.
Sold.
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jgsugden
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I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess there will not be many new KS worth backing in the next 3 months.
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The new season of Pandemic will be lit af tho
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The new season of Pandemic will be lit af tho
It isn't getting great reviews. Apparently, they thought it would be a good idea to transition it into a LARP and release it in open Beta. People are not happy with it.
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Sky
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Some people decided to house rule the hell out of it, dragging the game session out forever
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Pandemic season 1 was bottled lightning. Daviau is done. Leacock has like one good idea every 3-5 years. He used it up with Era: Medieval Age last year.
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While I absolutely do not get it, there is a decent number of people that liked Season 2 more than 1. Regardless, both were worthwhile and I am looking forward to eventually playing Season 3 (although it has nothing to do with Kickstarter) when it is released muuuuuuuch later than initially anticipated.
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Is this the appropriate thread to shame yourself for spending $235 on a Marvel CMON Kickstarter to play with the kids - someday?
Good news! You can now pay CMON more money to get your game at the same time it'll be available at retail in August. Otherwise you will have to wait till April to get it https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/marvel-united/posts/2786035
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Yeah, if you go through the comments you might note me bitch slapping them for deceptive practices. They were reported by many for this one. If not for Caronavirus, something might have actually happened to them.
For those not in the know, after the KS, they announced that they were ging to ship the core game in August when it went to retail and everything else next year. They told us, again - after the KS closed - you could pay more to get your core game in August, or just wait until everything was ready sometime next year. So, either get your entire bundle way after most non-KS people get the core game, or pay a hidden fee. C'mon has some shady marketing techniques, but this is the first time I'd call the Queen Games level unethical.
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Wasn’t CMON the Phoenix company for New Wave Games, an earlier company known for unethical online sales practices?
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Trippy
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Yup.
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Shit like when a game goes to retail vs when I get my KS version matters zero point zero to me. It is funny when people all up in here getting vapors about that when you know CMON is just a pre-order with bonuses when they're on KS. They've already got the core stuff lined up for production and it's stupid to hold that up while they finish off the KS stuff, and it's also stupid to expect them to eat an extra shipping charge because of it. Do you even capitalism?
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eldaec
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Everything on KS is either a preorder, or a preorder with bonuses.
To be fair I see fewer people getting mad about it these days.
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Shit like when a game goes to retail vs when I get my KS version matters zero point zero to me. Then you're unlike the vast mojority of people. Most of the people out there get pissed when you tell them they had the honor of paying first, but getting their product last. It is funny when people all up in here getting vapors about that when you know CMON is just a pre-order with bonuses when they're on KS. They've already got the core stuff lined up for production and it's stupid to hold that up while they finish off the KS stuff, and it's also stupid to expect them to eat an extra shipping charge because of it. Do you even capitalism?
If they were upfront about it, or had a history of this type of misleading shit, then I'd agree. This was a new misleading move they pulled. When people lie and mislead about their product, their customers stop believing them when they make claims and start to turn their back on them. There are a lot of established brands that have gone out of business because people slowly realize the one popular brand was synonymous with crap.
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This really isn't much different from how it's all gone down in the past. Zombicide: Invader hit retail months before pledges started delivering. If anything, in this case they're at least giving people the option to pay more if they want the retail portion earlier. All you have to do is look at CMON's past to see that retail is delivered first for all of these projects.
These days, I don't kickstart anything unless it's an exclusive, I'll have trouble getting it later because of limited quantities, or there are exclusive extras that I want. Everything else will eventually hit retail and it'll probably be cheaper than what I would've paid on Kickstarter.
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I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess there will not be many new KS worth backing in the next 3 months.
Well, I was wrong. Frosthaven Comes
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Yeah I mentioned that at the top of the page.
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Yeah I mentioned that at the top of the page.
Yeah - on March 6th. A lifetime ago. I expected them to delay the release. A lot of the people that would back this thig may be watching their jobs go away - and if not, they may be watching their savings dwindle while furloughed. That has to hurt sales.
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Yeah I mentioned that at the top of the page.
Yeah - on March 6th. A lifetime ago. I expected them to delay the release. A lot of the people that would back this thig may be watching their jobs go away - and if not, they may be watching their savings dwindle while furloughed. That has to hurt sales. $4,189,090 pledged of $500,000 goal Never stand in the way of bad decisions and luxury habits.
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...and we'll never know how much they'd have done without the virus released on the world.
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schild
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sure
but we'll never know if this is even HIGHER because people are stuck at home with their board games
Unlike KDM, there's no actual reason to preorder this except for a *potential* headstart.
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The venn diagram of boutique board game enthusiasts and people who make enough money to ride out the economic problems (or think they do) is practically a circle. Board gaming is not a cheap hobby.
Kickstarting will definitely slow down but Childres is a known quantity. This thing has more pledged in a day than Gloomhaven's second printing had in its entire campaign.
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I've known a lot of people that spent far more than their disposable income on board games. A lot. Of people. And a lot more than their disposable income.
But yeah, this is a special kind of KS, If the nukes were flying, Godzilla raging, and an asteroid on a collision course...it probably would have hit $4M in day one. Despite the fact that most people that played Gloomhaven to completon burned out towards the end.
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Yeah, Gloomhaven was a lot of game. It was my solo game for about three years until I finally considered it finished. Then I moved on to Street Masters, which I figure will last me until this comes in. If I were to do the math though, the number of hours I spent playing Gloomhaven compared to the amount of money I spent purchasing it would lead to pennies on the hour. It's one of the most economical sources of entertainment I've ever spent money on. Looking at it that way makes this kind of a no-brainer.
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schild
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i built my gloomhaven organizer, which turned me off of playing the game completely lol
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