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Reply #175 on: January 13, 2020, 09:40:19 PM

Finally got around to watching this over the weekend with some friends.

It's not super deep, but it was a ton of fun, which is what I want from this kind of thing.  Also, that 'Toss a Coin to Your Witcher' song is a goddamned earworm.

The only thing that annoyed me was Cavill's Batman voice, but I stopped caring after ten minutes.  I'm glad a second season is already on order.
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Reply #176 on: January 14, 2020, 09:07:13 AM

It's fun. I don't know quite why people find the temporal relationships between the main characters' storylines quite so confusing.

Cavill is really good in the role.
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Reply #177 on: January 14, 2020, 10:12:59 AM

It's fun. I don't know quite why people find the temporal relationships between the main characters' storylines quite so confusing.

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I had basically zero familiarity with the lore/story, and was watching in a somewhat distracted state, so I was a little confused for the first episode or two (wait, isn't that the same person who...?), but once I understood that I was seeing things out of order it was not hard to assemble the jigsaw puzzle.

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Reply #178 on: January 14, 2020, 10:48:13 AM

It's fun. I don't know quite why people find the temporal relationships between the main characters' storylines quite so confusing.

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I had basically zero familiarity with the lore/story, and was watching in a somewhat distracted state, so I was a little confused for the first episode or two (wait, isn't that the same person who...?), but once I understood that I was seeing things out of order it was not hard to assemble the jigsaw puzzle.

They drop hints early on that the timelines are different but it's not easy to pick up on if you miss them until I'd say, about episode 3 or 4. I've read the books and played the games and I remember thinking in episode 1 "wait, doesn't the Renfri stuff happen years earlier?" but I wrote it off as "I guess they changed the timeline for the show." I completely missed that Renfri said something like "Over in Cintra" Queen Calanthe just won her first battle" and in the very next scene Calanthe tells Ciri "I won my first battle when I was your age.""

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Reply #179 on: January 14, 2020, 11:10:29 AM

It's a lot easier to miss that stuff when you're still figuring out wtf everyone's name is.   swamp poop

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Reply #180 on: January 14, 2020, 12:47:03 PM

I think I picked up on the time thing with a scene early on with Yennefer.
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Reply #181 on: January 14, 2020, 01:29:49 PM

Have you guys already seen this?

Official netflix website with map, timelines, bestiary etc.

https://www.witchernetflix.com/


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Reply #182 on: January 14, 2020, 04:14:29 PM

I think I picked up on the time thing with a scene early on with Yennefer.

Yeah, I think noticed the same thing.  Indicated she was way ahead of everything else.
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Reply #183 on: January 15, 2020, 01:13:30 PM

I noticed that the showrunners realize they made a goof by not having Jaskier/Dandelion age at all when he meets Geralt for a second time.
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Reply #184 on: January 15, 2020, 01:41:52 PM

The Witcher is what happens when people who give a shit is given a crap ton of money to make something. And make something great.
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Reply #185 on: January 15, 2020, 01:54:54 PM

And believe me, while these first 8 episodes were a bit of a jumbled mess here and there in some aspects (editing, dialogues, fundamental choices about how to develop the three main characters etc.), if the showrunner will stick to what Sapkowski wrote, you will definitely be in for some really great and unique moments (the writer is kinda "derivative" but really adds some funny, personal touches which you might not expect), starting right from next season. Can't wait.

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Reply #186 on: January 16, 2020, 12:29:06 AM

So if I understand this correctly, the first book (or two?) are a collection of short stories about the Witcher's exploits.  Then they turn into full length novels?  Was the first season of this series based on one of the short story books, I'm assuming?

What time period do the games take place?  I'm assuming they can't be direct book adaptations.

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Reply #187 on: January 16, 2020, 01:10:05 AM

First two books are the stories. Netlfix took a few of them and mixed.
Then we have 5 books of saga.
And after that one more (Season of the storms). Which if I remember correctly happens some time during saga.

The games are based on the saga but not directly.
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Reply #188 on: January 16, 2020, 01:36:07 PM

Book 3-7 are full length novels, yes.

- The first season of the TV series has adapted some short stories from both the first and the second book of the saga. Showrunner and writers also came up with something entirely original, like Yennefer's "Origin story" which, in the books, is like....3 lines of writing in book 6 or 7 :P

- The TV series  "fast forwarded" to the end of book 2 when it comes to the fall of Cintra and Ciri storyline, otherwise we wouldn't have seen Ciri until season 2 of the TV series (and even toward the end of it).


- Regarding the overall timeline, the book saga ends with book 7 (called "The Lady of the Lake"), in the year 1265 or something; games take place AFTER the books, starting from Year 1270.

There is a "book 8" ("Seasons of Storms"), which Sapkowski published, like....20 years after book 7 (in 2018 or something) as a way to cash in from the growing success of the franchise thanks to the videogames. It is not not a sequel to book 7, but another collection of short stories that are slotted somewhere between the ones narrated in book 1.

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Reply #189 on: January 17, 2020, 08:31:45 AM

Some of the comments here sound like the general reception to The Expanse.

* Confusing, separate storylines (not temporally disconnected though)
* Editing, pacing in the first season
* Changes from the first book

I'll have to add this to show my watch list.
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Reply #190 on: January 20, 2020, 03:16:08 PM

The separate storylines happening in different times but shown simultaneously was done artfully in a way that I haven't seen before, rather than mishandled. It's challenging viewing rather than erroneous. They knew what they were doing with it (leading to a same-time conclusion).
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Reply #191 on: January 21, 2020, 04:47:03 AM

The separate storylines happening in different times but shown simultaneously was done artfully in a way that I haven't seen before, rather than mishandled. It's challenging viewing rather than erroneous. They knew what they were doing with it (leading to a same-time conclusion).

I have to agree with this. It becomes a "oh wow" rather than "that was badly done" series of moments.

I'm working through the books at the moment, the showrunners seem to be on the ball and Cavill seems well and truly on point.

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Reply #192 on: January 23, 2020, 07:47:50 AM

When I figured out the times were different, everything clicked for me and it was a satisfying moment. Good on the show for that.
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Reply #193 on: January 23, 2020, 11:29:08 AM

One thing I like about the time differential is that it lets you see something like the murder and dispossession of the elves both in the immediate aftermath of it and in the longer-term consequences of it. It's also very clever in that you both see Geralt as this famous person with this huge reputation and see simultaneously the messy complexity of how he acquired that reputation without the use of flashbacks, etc.

That's a smart move for future seasons too, since it lets them drop new 'stories of Geralt and Yennefer' into different places in the timeline as appropriate rather than always be advancing the forward motion of the Ciri plotline in a relentless way.
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Reply #194 on: January 23, 2020, 11:39:59 AM

When I figured out the times were different, everything clicked for me and it was a satisfying moment. Good on the show for that.

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Reply #195 on: February 05, 2020, 02:57:48 AM

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Reply #196 on: February 18, 2020, 10:07:05 AM

Ah, they're adapting "A Grain of Truth" as one episode of Season 2 with Kristofer Hivju as Nivellen. Excellent.
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