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on: October 20, 2016, 07:42:11 AM

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Reply #1 on: October 20, 2016, 07:44:11 AM

Ah ah ah yeah.  Ahh ahh ahh yeah yeah.  awesome, for real

I liked the esports part at the end.   Facepalm

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Reply #2 on: October 20, 2016, 07:53:34 AM

Looks alright. Wonder if they'll keep making DSs too or if they're just doing one console/handheld.

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Reply #3 on: October 20, 2016, 08:22:34 AM

It's interesting that there was no mention of a VR headset in that teaser.  Are they betting that seamless mobility will beat out immersion?

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Reply #4 on: October 20, 2016, 08:40:44 AM

As much as we like to ignore Nintendo stuff here this probably deserves its own thread.
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Reply #5 on: October 20, 2016, 08:46:30 AM


What the fuck did I just watch?

Oh right, the devolution of a video game company.

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Reply #6 on: October 20, 2016, 09:20:49 AM

Dark Souls Mobile?

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Reply #7 on: October 20, 2016, 09:26:55 AM

Based on that video, the only physical medium I'm seeing are cartridges and there's not really enough space for an SSD hard drive. So what kind of storage space does it have for downloaded games? Or is it all "IN THE CLOUD?"

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Reply #8 on: October 20, 2016, 09:27:29 AM

I'm not sure Nintendo knows what the Internet is.
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Reply #9 on: October 20, 2016, 10:35:55 AM

Agree.  Remember the handle on the GameCube?

Miyamoto is a legend but they need some new blood.

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Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 10:54:57 AM

Based on that video, the only physical medium I'm seeing are cartridges and there's not really enough space for an SSD hard drive. So what kind of storage space does it have for downloaded games? Or is it all "IN THE CLOUD?"
256Gb micro SD cards are a thing.

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Reply #11 on: October 20, 2016, 11:02:42 AM

Are they a thing in this console? Or handheld? Or whatever the fuck this thing is supposed to be?

And is that Skyrim?

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Reply #12 on: October 20, 2016, 11:04:21 AM

I'm reading your post in Old Man Voice.

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Reply #13 on: October 20, 2016, 11:05:59 AM

Are they a thing in this console? Or handheld? Or whatever the fuck this thing is supposed to be?

And is that Skyrim?
No idea, I'm just pointing out that storage is small.

And yes, that was Skyrim.

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Reply #14 on: October 20, 2016, 11:11:48 AM

Yeah, while I could laugh and point at Nintendo for going with Cartridges in the N64 era, not now.  They make micro SD cards (or whatever) that can hold the data for any game in existence for pretty cheap now.

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Reply #15 on: October 20, 2016, 11:21:15 AM

I'm reading your post in Old Man Voice.

Then you are hearing it correctly.  why so serious?

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Reply #16 on: October 20, 2016, 12:53:58 PM

 awesome, for real

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Reply #17 on: October 20, 2016, 01:53:24 PM

So if this is basically Nintendo's version of Nvidia's shield, I wonder if I can stream PC games to it.  Even if it has to be hacked to do it, that would make this the most interesting thing to come out from Nintendo in a long time, imho.
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Reply #18 on: October 20, 2016, 02:32:56 PM

It looks like an interesting take on the whole "One gaming device" concept.

And the "there's no storage!!!" thing is kinda silly since, as mentioned before, NAND capacity per area has increased at an insane rate in recent years. Most of the space taken up by a 2.5" SSD is the plastic case and air at this point.

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Reply #19 on: October 20, 2016, 03:26:23 PM

Better idea than Wii U, lesser idea than original Wii. They're still riffing on "it's all about the controller" when clearly it's not.

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Reply #20 on: October 20, 2016, 05:07:57 PM

As someone who liked fair chunk of 3DS software but hates playing on an actual 3DS, this thing could work out alright.
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Reply #21 on: October 20, 2016, 05:21:58 PM

I'm afraid we're going to lose the old school feel of 3DS games as the hardware power available makes everyone push for graphics over gameplay.

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Reply #22 on: October 20, 2016, 05:27:34 PM

I think it's pretty interesting. With the feverish adoption of the very latest smartphone model plateauing, the mobile industry effectively locked up by the already established players that hit it big absent the what's-way-below-"rare" Flappy Bird or ridiculously expensive surprise hit, the Nintendo brands still carrying huge cache, and Nintendo still being a purpose-built hardware-for-gaming company, that they were able to match the use-case of mobile without ceding their portfolio to ephemeral mobile platforms is a pretty good bet.

They're gonna need to clear up their positioning though. The video they posted was super muddy. None of that promise has really been realized on the mobile devices we all already have with us 24/7 predominantly because people don't want those kind of experiences (even though a bunch of attempts have been made). So expecting people to want that from a device that looks like a small nVidia Shield/TV setup is kinda missing the point. And I agree with the nVidia Shield reference Lemming said, because I felt the same even before I knew it was nVidia that powers this thing.

They're going to need a Wii Sports of Switch to entice new people. They need that at minimum before you can start getting people to want the latest Zelda/Metroid/Mario/whatever on it, because your most ardent fans are still using their Wii/U/DS so don't need to switch.

Will be curious to see how this starts to get sold to normals.
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Reply #23 on: October 20, 2016, 05:41:14 PM

My biggest gripe is the built in failure point. Having the control portion literally pull off the controller and shove onto the portable shit is beyond stupid and completely unnecessary. It makes the controller bigger and provides something that is nearly guaranteed to just stop working and get dirty and gunky and awful - especially with kids fucking with it.
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Reply #24 on: October 20, 2016, 06:17:27 PM

I kept thinking, dude, play with your damn dog!
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Reply #25 on: October 20, 2016, 06:33:43 PM

I kept thinking, dude, play with your damn dog!

No, bad idea, I tried that once.  Dog couldn't last hit at all, we ended up getting wrecked like 33-4.
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Reply #26 on: October 20, 2016, 11:35:44 PM

My biggest gripe is the built in failure point. Having the control portion literally pull off the controller and shove onto the portable shit is beyond stupid and completely unnecessary. It makes the controller bigger and provides something that is nearly guaranteed to just stop working and get dirty and gunky and awful - especially with kids fucking with it.

Nintendo's gimmicky hardware just drives me nuts. 
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Reply #27 on: October 21, 2016, 02:31:37 AM

I kept thinking, dude, play with your damn dog!

No, bad idea, I tried that once.  Dog couldn't last hit at all, we ended up getting wrecked like 33-4.

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Watched the announcement video. Thought 'the Surface Pro and Nvidia Shield in our house can already do all of that and more'.

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Reply #28 on: October 21, 2016, 04:19:49 AM

I think it's a great idea.

It removes the bifurcation of Nintendo's developer support (3DS vs. Wii U). It gives preference to the platform that actually has more developer support (3DS) and higher LTD sales. It's a HW platform that already has engine support by Unreal, Unity and others and is similar enough to mobile platforms like Android or the iPhone.

It's actually not that bad of an idea from a business standpoint and as a value proposition to developers. It's similar enough to other mobile platforms to make porting easy or to kickstart a port to mobile with the Switch as a central device (given a viable install base) and it's also different enough from the mobile app economy established on Android or iPhone so that you can actually price your game at other tiers than $0.99/$1.99/$2.99 and still can expect reasonably high sales. It also has a traditional input scheme which makes development even more similar to other platforms.

Basically don't see it as competition to existing stationary platforms like PC or XBone/PS 4 but more of a "mobile-like" platform with an existing eco system of people that actually pay for games. Which could offset the costs of porting/developing for other mobile eco systems

The dock is also a smarter solution to the use case they've been trying to push with the Wii U. Play your games on a TV at home or take it to another room (or on the road) when your SO or the parents want to watch GoT. No Kids hogging the living room PC when you want to watch Netflix and you can take your games with you while your away (or when you're on a road trip and the Kids are sitting in the back)

This system automatically has all of Nintendo's own franchises plus Pokémon and Monster Hunter and might see business from traditional 3rd party developers just from the fact that it's essentially an NVidia shield and therefore similar enough to existing mobile platforms based on ARM cores just with a customer base that will actually spend more on games than an iPhone user would.

The only question I have is if the detachable controllers and the dock are built sturdily enough.
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Reply #29 on: October 21, 2016, 05:11:37 AM

Yeah I don't get the hate.  A console where I can take any game, plug it into my TV to play full 1080p with advanced graphics then undock it to take it on the train with me to work, to conferences, on vacation, etc... is a fantastic idea imo.  You can tell in that video that video quality degrades a bit when you go into hand-held mode (framerate wise at the very least you can see in that video) but that's a fine trade-off for battery (I wonder if the dock has an external GPU to help or if it just maximizes the screen's GPU usage when docked).

I'm also excited by the fact that it looks like this device will have as close to zero touch support as possible, cause god fuck touch (even stylus touch on the 3DS).  

I'm also pretty excited on the casual tease of a new Mario 64 type game.

*edit*: Shit just being able to efficiently take games from TV to Bed will be massively appreciated by me.  I could never do that with the Wii U due walls, distance, and lack of game support for using the gamepad as a second screen.
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Reply #30 on: October 21, 2016, 05:43:15 AM

I'll reserve judgement until I see what developers want to participate because without a great library, what's the point?

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Reply #31 on: October 21, 2016, 06:50:11 AM

I'll reserve judgement until I see what developers want to participate because without a great library, what's the point?

The interesting thing about this model is Nintendo has pretty decent third party lineup with the 3DS, so if they can transition them all to the Switch and add new ones (now that there's no forced gimmick) then maybe that will work. 

Of course that requires Nintendo to not have a complete shit e-shop and developer tools, neither of which I have much trust in.  While cartridges are appropriate for this type of device they are also extremely developer hostile because Nintendo forces developers to pay for the cartridges outright.  So we'll have to see.
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Reply #32 on: October 21, 2016, 07:25:42 AM

Tell you what, they were very clear that it had a 3.5mm jack in that video.  why so serious?

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Reply #33 on: October 21, 2016, 07:32:08 AM

My problem was that the video did a fuck horrible job of explaining just what the fuck this device was. It was too busy showing millenials in cities having rooftop parties without pot or alcohol, something I do not believe exists nor do I believe would include a Switch.

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Reply #34 on: October 21, 2016, 07:39:51 AM

I'm afraid we're going to lose the old school feel of 3DS games as the hardware power available makes everyone push for graphics over gameplay.

I totally get what you are saying but it also makes me happy that Nintendo finally put what seems to be a good looking screen on their handheld (hard to say for sure since this is just a trailer).

If they can get developers who are currently still developing for Vita & 3DS, plus get some of the best PC 'indy' games, plus have a full Nintendo lineup, there COULD be a good mix of games for this.  OR they could just try to sell people virtual console games for $5 a crack again awesome, for real
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