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Reply #105 on: August 20, 2016, 08:43:21 AM

C'mon, now Apoc! Fuck the haters. I started painting minis at 42 and drawing/oil painting at 46!

You've clearly got talent, and I bet you'll be awesome at complex scene, biomech, etc from your detail work in mc :) That pic is really cool looking, I like the pen strokes. Only critique I see immediately are the 'corner' boxes, you lifted up the face plane too much at the back corners. That's a tough one to visualize, so find a small box around the house and angle it appropriately and take mental notes on the shape.

A lot of art is learning to see, and you should draw from reality (source pics, models, etc) as much as possible. That's why my still life class was so valuable, I learned how it was training my eye to quickly interpret and break down complex shapes.

Anyway, I'm still working on miniatures and not sure about drawing/painting in the autumn session. I lost a lot of my fine motor skill for mini painting when I was drawing and painting.
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Reply #106 on: August 20, 2016, 09:02:55 AM

Any art teacher who says, "You should just do something else..." and isn't saying it because of the money you'll never make is a talenteless hack who has no business teaching. Full Stop.

No, I don't care who I offend with that. If you say that, you're a shitty art teacher. Talentless yourself or lacking any knowledge of art and art history, so fuck you.

Good job on the perspective. It shows some great understanding and you have far fewer sketch lines than I do.

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Reply #107 on: August 20, 2016, 09:34:52 AM

Cheers folks, see I understand all that about being told 'You can't draw' now, at the age of 47, but 12 year old me didn't understand that so I simply didn't bother for 35 years. I have a different attitude now and that attitude is 'Fuck it, I want to draw, I'm gonna learn'.

The pic is just an exercise from http://drawabox.com/. No idea if a website like that is a good way to learn but it's giving me some structure and I'm enjoying it. And a week ago I wouldn't have even considered that I could draw something like that freehand :)

Definitely going to try and stick with this, I'll post progress as I do!

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Reply #108 on: September 17, 2016, 08:42:01 PM

Some of my latest doodles, usually done while sitting in front of the TV.









Obviously, there's a theme there.

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Reply #109 on: September 17, 2016, 09:26:50 PM

It's vaginas, right?  DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS Jk, looks cool!

I've got to make the big decision over the next 30 or so hours, do I take drawing and oil portraiture again for the fall semester? So torn on it. I had a lot of fun and learned a ton, and showed a bit of a knack for it. And the oils instructor is phenomenal. And I know the model this semester, he's got a cool look and is one of the nicest kids I know.

On the other hand, I had major artistic burnout after last semester. Also, I painted no minis nor played guitar and my skills on both diminished accordingly. And it's not cheap, since it's at a fairly big name school. I've been playing a lot of bass lately and I'm just starting to have my brush control approaching where it was last year. I have my den almost completely rearranged to be a small art studio that will accommodate both mini painting (already set up and one mini more or less done) and drawing/painting still lifes.

I've been completely unable to make a decision on this one. My fiancee is unhelpfully finding it amusing.
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Reply #110 on: September 17, 2016, 09:56:11 PM

The struggle, it is real.

And I'm not saying that to be funny, either.  It can be hard to switch between creative endeavors.  I find when I'm in writing mode, I do very little visual art.  I haven't done any watercolors for a few weeks now, mostly because I've been working on a fanfiction that I started back in July.  It's already up to novella length, which is kind of weird in it's own right.  I mean.. it's fanfic!

OTOH, I started doing these doodles in front of the TV as a way to keep my mind occupied and because I had nothing new to read.  It's helped me start to refine a style choice that I want to play with more and I've been itching to start laying down some paint.  So I want to do the painting thing but my brain is still locking into writing this fic that I keep lazing on.  I had a several chapter leeway built up before I started posting it on FF.net, but now I'm caught up because I just can't do more than one creative thing at the same time.

Ugh.

Honestly - I'd say unless you are really jonesing to take the classes again this fall (are they offered each semester?), then I'd say stick with the personal explorations for now and maybe see about taking the class again in the spring if it's offered.

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Reply #111 on: September 18, 2016, 12:19:56 AM



 awesome, for real  But yeah, they're nice Rhyssa!

Tough choice Sky. Will you regret not taking the opportunity to do the class if you skip it?

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Reply #112 on: September 18, 2016, 08:13:26 PM

If I ended up just wasting the evenings dicking around, probably. Today I was feeling like I should take them. I really do want to get more into 2d art but it's very tough for me to work on it at home, so going to the studio (and paying for it) is a great motivator.

Guess we'll find out tomorrow  why so serious?
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Reply #113 on: September 19, 2016, 12:51:17 PM

Yep, signed up for it. My mantra has always been that I've regretted more things that I didn't do than things I did.
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Reply #114 on: September 19, 2016, 11:45:40 PM

 Thumbs up!

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Reply #115 on: September 20, 2016, 06:38:27 AM

Note to self: don't take 5 months off something you only spent 3 months learning.

So terrible, but even by the end of the first class I had warmed up a bit and started remembering some of the basic tricks. Had one guy that was in the last class next to me, but on the other side was some grumbly sad sack that I had to ignore pretty willfully. Some people are just miserable, I think he found every single thing to complain about. While ignoring pretty much everything the teacher said.

Anyway. Lots of raw newbs in the class, a few decent artists, so a nice mix. But way too many people, so there was very little critique time as we were doing 3 minute gestures. The key is to follow the teacher and learn from her critiques of other's drawings or at least keep an ear on her as she moves about the room while you draw. Mr Grumbly just grumbled that he wasn't given special snowflake attention. I'd give better than even odds that he ditches (making more time for the rest of us!).

Probably be a couple weeks before I generate anything worth sharing unless you guy want to see the really raw gesture stuff that's not really artistic at all.
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Reply #116 on: September 20, 2016, 07:20:32 AM

I don't get why people do that. At least make some effort to get something out of the class before you moan about it!

I'm still doing exercises from that learn to draw website, most of which aren't worth sharing (unless you really want to see 250 cylinders...), but I'm just working on some dissections - random organic shapes with assorted textures applied - that are fun and I'll post when I've got a few done.

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Reply #117 on: September 20, 2016, 09:25:56 AM

Might want to try setting up and lighting a still life at home to practice on. Use things with basic forms (cubes/spheres/cylinders/cones). Also try pinning up some sheets into interesting drapery. All great practice. If I had kept up with those for practice, I wouldn't need to retake 101 :)

I'm about 2/3rds of the way into getting my den into shape as a studio, so I'll have a place to leave a still life set up for drawing and painting. My hope is to just continue with the 2 nights/3 hours each thing after the classes end.
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Reply #118 on: September 21, 2016, 09:30:54 AM

I think lesson 3 on the website is drawing objects in the home :)

These are the dissections I mentioned. Potato quality phone camera, sorry. I'm happy with the forms but the textures need a lot of practice. They're fun to do though.



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Reply #119 on: September 28, 2016, 08:03:43 PM

Second week of classes, finally got my initial portrait drawing "done". Needs more work, but the model didn't show last week so to get ahead I'll just fix stuff in paint later. More deets on ze blog.

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Reply #120 on: September 29, 2016, 06:10:15 AM

Nice basics there, Sky.  And painting someone with a mustache is gotta be interesting.

I can't remember, but did you instructor get into doing underpainting first yet or do they just have you work in broad blocks that continually get refined?

Some of the artists I follow on FB have been showing WIPs starting with their underpaintings but that's kind of new to me, tbh.  But it's been years since I've done any formal painting, too, so maybe I'm just out of it.

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Reply #121 on: September 29, 2016, 09:03:15 AM

I'll transfer it to a canvas I've put a burnt sienna/umber ground over. Then block in the shadow masses in raw umber, then the light masses in white. Then start putting in local color and build the rest of the values and hues from there.

I'm not sure what underpainting is  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #122 on: September 29, 2016, 05:35:57 PM

I think basically it's when a painter decides what the overall lighting/color of the painting is and lays that down first. You kind of do it in monochromatic work too, only it's just about deciding what the base lighting is. It's why a lot of art teachers wait until a painting class to teach color theory.
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Reply #123 on: September 29, 2016, 08:43:57 PM

A friend asked me to put up some of the fundamental stuff from Drawing 101, I was going to wait until we were at least doing some stuff with values on smooth paper, but hey. Deets in the usual place.

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Reply #124 on: September 30, 2016, 08:37:40 PM

One bonus of having taken the class once before is I know when I can sneak in some homework between classes!



More info on the drawing transfer process in the usual place!
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Reply #125 on: October 02, 2016, 12:07:13 PM

And more homework! Finished up the value blocking stage, ready to start putting in local color on Wednesday. Blah blah blog blah blah

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Reply #126 on: October 02, 2016, 01:35:38 PM

I've started a Drawing1 course at the local CC (out here in artsy northern NM) and it's easily my fav. class taken in a long, long time.  Charcoal medium on large surfaces; requires more bodily motion.  An interesting skill to learn indeed and very landscapey (of course, this is NM).  

Idea is, you learn the large surface, blendable media (charcoals); broad strokes, subtle interpretation, etc, under a time limit.  The limit forces stroke efficiency and "cheating" via focusing on theme rather than realism.  Then down the road (another class), you start getting into more realism and fine drawing.

I'm in love with charcoal though... wow.  Can do so much with it.  That said, for a sketch-engineer it's almost useless except to develop skill and relax.  I will tell you, I am spoiled out here in the land of O'Keefe as far as art is concerned.  There are quiet, reflective, enchanted places to draw everywhere you go.   Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Makes me want to quit and just fuckin draw for the rest of my days tbh.  I see why people do just that (assuming they can survive).
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Reply #127 on: October 05, 2016, 07:58:20 PM

I'm trying to really limit my love of conte's ability to do smooth shading. I need to focus on upping my drawing skills, I tend to be ok for now with tone.

Tonight's oils session was a bit rough, the position and light angle both changed slightly. Rather than bitch, I rolled with it to learn how to, em, roll with it.

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Reply #128 on: October 06, 2016, 08:07:01 AM

I like what you have there now, Sky, from a more abstract way of looking at things.  It could be completed as is, but then I like art like this.  Grin

Meanwhile, I continue to produce nothing of any import or depth.



But hey, this popped up in my timeline from when I did INKtober in 2014.


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Reply #129 on: October 06, 2016, 08:12:28 AM

Meanwhile, I continue to produce nothing of any import or depth.

Isn't that kind of the point of doing things you enjoy?  awesome, for real

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Reply #130 on: October 06, 2016, 11:25:47 AM

I was talking about hobbies with my art instructor last night and she was surprised I play video games. And I was telling her that though I love video games, especially when my brain isn't up to being constructive or creative, doing my creative pursuits is so much more fulfilling. Video games are always fun in the moment, but rarely am I left with a feeling that I spent my time wisely (the next day or whatever). When I lose an evening playing guitar, even if I don't record it, I feel like I spent my time wisely and grew as a person. Same thing with art, especially when I'm actually working on something decent, because then I have a physical object to show for it.

Anyway.

Thanks, Rhyssa! I've heard various (modern artist) instructors from the school say they enjoy my (unfinished) work. It's kinda weird for me. That's without getting into what passes for a lot of the student artwork I see on the walls. Yikes.

Your stuff, on the other hand is awesome. How is that Pixie not awesome!?

As far as 'import or depth' goes, I don't know that I'll ever draw or paint anything like that. I'm not into making statements. I just like things that look cool.
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Reply #131 on: October 12, 2016, 07:50:28 PM

Local color lay in, as happens at this stage, lots of detail getting lost for a while. It'll come back!



I'm a total masochist for taking on such a difficult hobby!
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Reply #132 on: October 12, 2016, 10:50:54 PM

Really starts to take on depth when you get to that stage. Looking great!

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Reply #133 on: October 13, 2016, 06:27:40 AM

Yeah, really liking how it's developing so far, Sky.  How many sessions do you have to work total?


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Reply #134 on: October 17, 2016, 09:27:00 PM

Hmm...thought I replied here, heh. Sorry! I think it's 6 more sessions, so the same amount I had from this stage last semester (I miss this week due to Louis CK). I think the class was 11 sessions total, with me able to work 9 of them.

Monday night drawing, finally getting to some values, though my drawing sucks pretty bad this time. We were low on time and she had me stop fixing my drawing and start placing values, just ran out of time to fix things. Still, a few successes and more to come.

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Reply #135 on: October 24, 2016, 09:05:54 AM

Finally got my home studio more or less in a functioning state. Desk for painting minis, drafting table and easel for drawing and painting, area for a still life. Went Saturday to a barn sale behind a restaurant we love and found enough cool little objects to get a start on a still life collection. Going to use this setup to supplement my work in school for drawing still life and start experimenting with painting them.

Here's a quick setup. More pics and whatnot on the blog as always!

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Reply #136 on: October 24, 2016, 09:15:09 AM

V cool.

I've had to stop with my drawing practice for a while because I seem to have some kind of problem with my right arm, keeps going numb. Doctor noticed that the muscles on my right hand were smaller than my left, and given that I'm right handed that's the opposite of how it should be. Referring me to a musculoskeletal clinic.

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Reply #137 on: October 24, 2016, 09:38:01 AM

Ouch, that sucks. I broke my left middle finger some time last week. Blah.
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Reply #138 on: October 24, 2016, 01:13:43 PM

How'd you manage that?

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Reply #139 on: October 24, 2016, 07:44:37 PM

No idea  awesome, for real

Monday night drawing class, adding a shadow tone means we're up to 3 values now...

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