Captain America: Civil War

[WayAbvPar]

I haven't seen Winter Soldier yet, so I now I have to go back and fill myself in. This was even darker than I suspected, and I was surprised at how emotional I felt  My poor 7 year old was quietly weeping when that happened, which may have influenced me. Liked Hawkeye and Spidey. The rest was decent and watchable, but it wasn't in my top 5 MCU films.

[Threash]

I love how Stark and Cap have basically switched sides from where their arcs started.  I loved all the secondary characters getting their time to shine and having great lines.  What i didn't like is the ridiculous plan the villain had.  It basically relied on making himself into a near carbon copy of Bucky so he would get the blame for the bombing, being able to replace a UN interrogator without anyone noticing, and then playing that video while Bucky just happened to be standing right in front of Tony.  Things would have gone very different if Tony had seen that video and had time to calm down before reacting, specially since he's been mind controlled himself.

[Mandella]

Non-spoilered review: Best Spider-Man movie yet!!

No way to talk about other points without spoilers, so...

[Threash]

Non-spoilered review: Best Spider-Man movie yet!!

No way to talk about other points without spoilers, so...

[jgsugden]

The best thing about the movie, tome, was that the Russos managed to care for each character and give all of them a meaningful place... but it was clearly still a continuation of Winter Soldier. I am eager to see how they handle dozens of powered characters in Infinity Gauntlet.

[jgsugden]

Imagine if 2018 had Civil War I

Bringing in the Civil War or any of the other super-fucktarded storylines that Bendis has been a part of to the movie-verse would be the quickest way to kill the worth of the Marvel franchise I can think of.

Blast from the past...

[Lakov_Sanite]

He's not entirely wrong,  civil war as told by the comics is just the worst.  This movie kept certain core concepts but re-wrote practically everything.

[Threash]

The movie kept Captain America vs Iron Man, which was the lone interesting part of the concept.

[HaemishM]

I definitely wasn't wrong. I just saw this today and it was nothing like the shit pile that the comic book was. The only commonality between the two was the conflict between Cap and Iron Man. Other than that, they threw away everything wrong with the comic and made a damn good movie. I'm not sure yet if I like it more than the Winter Soldier, but it's close if not better than WS.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I definitely wasn't wrong. I just saw this today and it was nothing like the shit pile that the comic book was. The only commonality between the two was the conflict between Cap and Iron Man. Other than that, they threw away everything wrong with the comic and made a damn good movie. I'm not sure yet if I like it more than the Winter Soldier, but it's close if not better than WS.

It's very much a winter soldier pt2 and I almost think they need to be lumped together because of how the second compliments the first.

[Hutch]

I liked it. I think Winter Soldier was a tighter movie, but Winter Soldier didn't have to be the springboard for two other superhero films.
As movies with a dozen+ characters go, this was way better than Age of Ultron.

[jgsugden]

I liked it. I think Winter Soldier was a tighter movie, but Winter Soldier didn't have to be the springboard for two other superhero films.
As movies with a dozen+ characters go, this was way better than Age of Ultron.

As for whether peop,e were right or wrong about Civil War, you can go back and read what was said at the time by clicking on the links in the above posts.There were a lot of strongopinions. Funny opinions, now.

[HaemishM]

Considering the fact that the opinions were basically "The original story was shit, if they use anything other than the main gist of Iron Man fights Captain America, it will suck" were actually right, and apparently Marvel thought so too - I'm not sure what you're on about.

The movie was great. Did Zemo fall under the category of "had lots of shit he couldn't have planned for worked out perfectly?" Sure. I'm ok with that. I thought things flowed pretty organically and not once did I stop in the middle of watching the movie and go "WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S HIGHLY IMPLAUSIBLE!" It worked well as an action adventure super hero movie. In contrast to BvS: DoJ, it dealt with some weighty issues without ever feeling dour and depressing. It had some great action and great character moments and it wasn't afraid to have fun. The additions of Black Panther and Spider-Man were great - both characters were pitch perfect adaptations of their comic counterparts and both actors chosen to play the roles fit them perfectly. I look forward to seeing where they take these characters in the future, because the ending was a lot more "Empire Strikes Back" than "Return of the Jedi."

[jgsugden]

Considering the fact that the opinions were basically "The original story was shit, if they use anything other than the main gist of Iron Man fights Captain America, it will suck" were actually right, and apparently Marvel thought so too - I'm not sure what you're on about.

The posts speak for themselves.

[Hutch]

I liked it. I think Winter Soldier was a tighter movie, but Winter Soldier didn't have to be the springboard for two other superhero films.
As movies with a dozen+ characters go, this was way better than Age of Ultron.

As for whether peop,e were right or wrong about Civil War, you can go back and read what was said at the time by clicking on the links in the above posts.There were a lot of strongopinions. Funny opinions, now.

Sorry. I didn't know I needed to do homework before giving my impressions of the movie. Thanks for correcting me. I'll try to do better going forward.

Caveat: The previous paragraph was sarcasm. Don't fall into this trap.

[HaemishM]

Considering the fact that the opinions were basically "The original story was shit, if they use anything other than the main gist of Iron Man fights Captain America, it will suck" were actually right, and apparently Marvel thought so too - I'm not sure what you're on about.

The posts speak for themselves.

You mean posts like the one you predicted the third act would be Thunderbolt Ross as Red Hulk leading the Thunderbolts to take out Team Cap?

Please just stop.

[Mandella]

I haven't seen Winter Soldier yet, so I now I have to go back and fill myself in.

...

 The rest was decent and watchable, but it wasn't in my top 5 MCU films.

Your ranking might change when you catch up with your backlog. You've basically watched Return of the Jedi before watching The Empire Strikes Back -- you're missing a lot of the emotional buildup. Plus Winter Soldier is just great.


Although I agree that Winter Soldier was a tighter script, I'm honestly rather amazed at just how well they did on Civil War the more I read now about the frequent rewrites required by the constantly shifting cast line-up. Downey was going to have no or a small part (I guess it wouldn't have even been Civil War if that had happened) but then he wanted back in. Then, "We have Spider-Man! Yay! Write him a big part oh no we've lost Spider-Man rewrite to give Black Panther a major part annnnnnndddd we've got Spider-Man back."

On top of that they were adapting what to hear tell was not the best source in the Big Book of Marvel Stories, so even more credit to the writers for managing to come up with their own, better, story.

[Evildrider]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/9/captain-americas-heterosexual-virility-lamented-by/

 

[jgsugden]

Considering the fact that the opinions were basically "The original story was shit, if they use anything other than the main gist of Iron Man fights Captain America, it will suck" were actually right, and apparently Marvel thought so too - I'm not sure what you're on about.

The posts speak for themselves.

You mean posts like the one you predicted the third act would be Thunderbolt Ross as Red Hulk leading the Thunderbolts to take out Team Cap?

Please just stop.

Yeah, I was wrong there.

Not a hard thing for some people to say.

[HaemishM]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/9/captain-americas-heterosexual-virility-lamented-by/

 

That is a synopsis of what may LITERALLY be the dumbest fucking article I have ever not read fully.

[MahrinSkel]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/9/captain-americas-heterosexual-virility-lamented-by/

 

Okay skip the Moonie Times, here's the Vanity Fair article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/05/captain-america-civil-war-steve-rogers-sharon-carter-bucky-barnes

Basically, they (parts of the MCU fanfic community) whining that the canon just wrecked their favorite 'ship, having Bucky and Cap confirm their heterosexuality by reminiscing about the girls they used to know.

That this got virtual ink in a publication like Vanity Fair is disappointing. It's slash-fiction grousing, barely even worthy of attention for people who like fanfic.

--Dave

[Lakov_Sanite]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/9/captain-americas-heterosexual-virility-lamented-by/

 

Okay skip the Moonie Times, here's the Vanity Fair article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/05/captain-america-civil-war-steve-rogers-sharon-carter-bucky-barnes

Basically, they (parts of the MCU fanfic community) whining that the canon just wrecked their favorite 'ship, having Bucky and Cap confirm their heterosexuality by reminiscing about the girls they used to know.

That this got virtual ink in a publication like Vanity Fair is disappointing. It's slash-fiction grousing, barely even worthy of attention for people who like fanfic.

--Dave

Might as well quote the enquirer, everything online might as well be a tabloid these days.

[HaemishM]

Nope, I was right. The Vanity Fair article was fuckstupid on a whole other level of fuckstupid.

[Abagadro]

Definitely plot holes and perfect timing/coincidences that helped the villain, but who gives a fuck, the fights were cool and good character moments.  Can't ask for a whole lot more in a superhero flick.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Definitely plot holes and perfect timing/coincidences that helped the villain, but who gives a fuck, the fights were cool and good character moments.  Can't ask for a whole lot more in a superhero flick.

I can forgive a lot just because of that last fight scene and RDJ's lines, especially that last one.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Looks like spiderman was planned at least as early as July 2015

http://imgur.com/hSm3EdF

[MediumHigh]

To anyone wondering, DCU is on suicide watch. Cause holy shit this was sex. Pure and simple I haven't wanted to see a movie twice in 2 years and this glorious fun that jokes and takes itself seriously without skipping a beat.

[HaemishM]

Worldwide opening of $679 million dollars, which is only about $100 million less than BvS: DoJ has done worldwide to date. Yeah, DC/Warners guys are crying on their significantly smaller piles of money.

[Hutch]

I just added to the pile again. I actually liked it better on the second viewing. There's so much good stuff in this movie.

Between Community and Winter Soldier, I was already a bit of a Russo fanboy. They're definitely the right choice for the Infinity movies. I'm looking forward to it 

[Evildrider]

Worldwide opening of $679 million dollars, which is only about $100 million less than BvS: DoJ has done worldwide to date. Yeah, DC/Warners guys are crying on their significantly smaller piles of money.

They already gave Affleck oversight over Snyder for the Justice League movie.   

[Segoris]

As mentioned many times over, the setup for conflict felt weak. Besides that I liked the movie. Fight scenes were cool, Spidey and Panther were great, Young Aunt May feels wrong but I was okay with it.

I'd also really like if there were some extended cuts of the VW Beetle scene

[Soln]

Thank god they didn't follow the comics.  I was sooo afraid for a second that Peter would have to reveal his true identity, as done in awful comix narrative.

Great flick, great production team.  More Marvel please. 

[kaid]

Non-spoilered review: Best Spider-Man movie yet!!

No way to talk about other points without spoilers, so...

Having actual space aliens invade our planet through a rip above one of the most populated cities win the world is probably a wake up call for major countries to realize we are not only not alone but there are clear hostiles out there beyond the power of any one government to defend itself against. I can see a united nations becoming more competent and more needed simply because clearly there are threats to the entire world that are not only possible but have actually happened.

[Soulflame]

In reality, what would be more likely to happen is the Avengers simply stop ever doing anything, as bureaucracy blocks every attempt they make to intervene.

Not to mention that nations weigh sending the Avengers based on any advantage they might gain over not sending the Avengers.

In short:  It'd be a shitshow that would eventually force the Avengers to simply ignore the dictates of the accords.  Or, you know, let humanity go extinct because Putin thinks dropping a city on the planet would only kill weak westerners and not super strong russians.

[Merusk]

Let's not pretend it wouldn't only be the Russians doing that.

"The invaders are only attacking the African nations in the Seringetti. Why should we risk our most valuable assets to stop them? Let the Chinese handle it for now. The Avengers can intervene if the Chinese are unable to fulfill their protection agreements in a few weeks. We'll monitor the situation until then."