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Reply #700 on: October 19, 2015, 06:07:36 AM

I like it. It looks like something your coach would run if he was tired and ready to go out drinking.

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Reply #701 on: October 19, 2015, 06:18:48 AM

That's almost as stupid as the way Michigan lost their game the other day.  Conceptually, that is just baffling.  Whomever dreamed that play up should be forced to tea-bag a bucket filled with glass shards and lemon juice.  They're going to have to retired that one from the Not Top 10.  It can go sit on a pedestal next to "The Butt Fumble" and "Two Florida Linemen Blocking Each Other".

It is a gimmick that the high school team my friend's son plays for runs on extra points. They line up similar to this, see if the defense is caught off guard and snaps it IMMEDIATELY or shifts back to a kick formation. Stupid razzle-dazzle trick formations only work if you run them quickly, the colts probably would have been successful had snapped the ball as soon as they were set instead of waiting so long.

Even if they had snapped it quick, it was still an illegal formation. They didn't have enough players on the line. I care less about the stupid play and more about the timing of it. They were still in the game at that point. Just punt it away.
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Reply #702 on: October 19, 2015, 08:20:07 AM

So yeah, Indy's "trick" play may be the only thing more wtf-worthy than Tate's "touchdown"

Though, besides a few moments of shittiness, it was a decent day of football overall.
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Reply #703 on: October 19, 2015, 09:35:26 AM

On a side note how the hell is Denver 6-0?

I watched the Broncos/Browns game and dear GOD was that some dire football. Gary Kubiak has literally turned a hall-of-fame QB into Blaine Gabbert. I'm not entirely sure why are six games that you can't with your own two eyes see that 1) Peyton Manning is utter shit at the bootleg pass you used to make Matt Schaub throw all the time, 2) Peyton is still effective as hell in the full shotgun throwing 10 or more yards down the field so long as you pass protect for him and 3) you need extra blocking on just about every pass play because your crazy quilt line is utter shit. How many times are you going to make Peyton throw the ball fucking sideways for a 3-yard loss before you realize those quick screen whatever the fuck they are's do not work for this offense. But hey, at least you had a running game. Cleveland was missing some of their starting DB's if I remember right, yet it wasn't until late that Peyton even bothered (or was allowed) to challenge them. Also D. Thomas - learn to secure the fucking ball.

Cleveland really was just LOLBROWNS. I mean, Josh McCown at QB against this D and you expect this game to not even be close. But both offenses were so incredibly bad that it was. Picking Peyton 3 times used to be an accomplishment but not this year.

Also caught the Chargers/Packers game and the wheels came off the Packers defense. 503 yards passing to Philip Rivers. What... the... fuck? And basically needing a last second slap at the ball (the route was well-read though) to win or not go into OT? Yikes. Their O line is not as good this year and Lacy needs to take a rest until he's better because he's killing both my fantasy team and my Packers. A-Aron proves he's still THE elite QB by throwing TD's to the fucking MASH unit that receiving corp has become.

As for that "trick play?" Somebody ought to get fired over that. That's just embarrassing.

EDIT: And just remembered that Tate "catch." WHAT... THE... FUCK, NFL? I mean, just WHAT... THE... FUCK?

How the shit is that a catch, but the Dez Bryant catch against Green Bay in the playoffs is not? Even by the letter of the rules that can't possibly be considered a fucking catch especially not on a TD as we've already seen this year. It's just beyond belief how shitty that call was and how shitty the rule about what a catch is now.
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Reply #704 on: October 19, 2015, 10:09:57 AM

On a side note how the hell is Denver 6-0?

I watched the Broncos/Browns game and dear GOD was that some dire football. Gary Kubiak has literally turned a hall-of-fame QB into Blaine Gabbert. I'm not entirely sure why are six games that you can't with your own two eyes see that 1) Peyton Manning is utter shit at the bootleg pass you used to make Matt Schaub throw all the time, 2) Peyton is still effective as hell in the full shotgun throwing 10 or more yards down the field so long as you pass protect for him and 3) you need extra blocking on just about every pass play because your crazy quilt line is utter shit. How many times are you going to make Peyton throw the ball fucking sideways for a 3-yard loss before you realize those quick screen whatever the fuck they are's do not work for this offense. But hey, at least you had a running game. Cleveland was missing some of their starting DB's if I remember right, yet it wasn't until late that Peyton even bothered (or was allowed) to challenge them. Also D. Thomas - learn to secure the fucking ball.

Cleveland really was just LOLBROWNS. I mean, Josh McCown at QB against this D and you expect this game to not even be close. But both offenses were so incredibly bad that it was. Picking Peyton 3 times used to be an accomplishment but not this year.

Also caught the Chargers/Packers game and the wheels came off the Packers defense. 503 yards passing to Philip Rivers. What... the... fuck? And basically needing a last second slap at the ball (the route was well-read though) to win or not go into OT? Yikes. Their O line is not as good this year and Lacy needs to take a rest until he's better because he's killing both my fantasy team and my Packers. A-Aron proves he's still THE elite QB by throwing TD's to the fucking MASH unit that receiving corp has become.

As for that "trick play?" Somebody ought to get fired over that. That's just embarrassing.

EDIT: And just remembered that Tate "catch." WHAT... THE... FUCK, NFL? I mean, just WHAT... THE... FUCK?

How the shit is that a catch, but the Dez Bryant catch against Green Bay in the playoffs is not? Even by the letter of the rules that can't possibly be considered a fucking catch especially not on a TD as we've already seen this year. It's just beyond belief how shitty that call was and how shitty the rule about what a catch is now.

They are "claiming" it is a difference based on the the ground rather than another player. So if the ground is involved, no touchdown catch... player jarring it loose? well he broke the plain of the goal line. Which, IMHO, is a bunch of horseshit. You either break the plane of the goal line or not, and once you do, the play is over and whatever happens next doesn't matter. Watch a running back stretch for the goal line or pylon and then lose it as he gets slammed... but hey, the nose of the ball crossed, done and done. *sigh...

And the Browns... oh McCown. Thanks for the interception in the 4th while moving into field goal range. Pocket collapsing, no one open, you are getting pulled down, sling it up for coverage to eat for lunch. The only thing that made it somewhat forgettable was watching the Broncos screw up the last 11 seconds because your receiver took a lap into the endzone and a breather instead of getting to the line.

But of course, any hope the Broncos gave in moving the game to overtime was quickly screwed up by the Browns... And I was wearing my sweatshirt that I only rediscovered in my closet too. Time to lose it again. In all sincerity, I really wish I could quit the Browns. I may have a mental illness at this point.

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Reply #705 on: October 19, 2015, 10:31:36 AM

That's almost as stupid as the way Michigan lost their game the other day.  Conceptually, that is just baffling.  Whomever dreamed that play up should be forced to tea-bag a bucket filled with glass shards and lemon juice.  They're going to have to retired that one from the Not Top 10.  It can go sit on a pedestal next to "The Butt Fumble" and "Two Florida Linemen Blocking Each Other".

It is a gimmick that the high school team my friend's son plays for runs on extra points. They line up similar to this, see if the defense is caught off guard and snaps it IMMEDIATELY or shifts back to a kick formation. Stupid razzle-dazzle trick formations only work if you run them quickly, the colts probably would have been successful had snapped the ball as soon as they were set instead of waiting so long.



Even if they had snapped it quick, it was still an illegal formation. They didn't have enough players on the line. I care less about the stupid play and more about the timing of it. They were still in the game at that point. Just punt it away.

The comparison that's had me giggling all day is several people asking if the snapper was silently going 'Leeeeroy Jenkins' in his head when he did that.

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Reply #706 on: October 19, 2015, 10:57:17 AM

I watched the Broncos/Browns game and dear GOD was that some dire football. Gary Kubiak has literally turned a hall-of-fame QB into Blaine Gabbert. I'm not entirely sure why are six games that you can't with your own two eyes see that 1) Peyton Manning is utter shit at the bootleg pass you used to make Matt Schaub throw all the time, 2) Peyton is still effective as hell in the full shotgun throwing 10 or more yards down the field so long as you pass protect for him and 3) you need extra blocking on just about every pass play because your crazy quilt line is utter shit. How many times are you going to make Peyton throw the ball fucking sideways for a 3-yard loss before you realize those quick screen whatever the fuck they are's do not work for this offense. But hey, at least you had a running game. Cleveland was missing some of their starting DB's if I remember right, yet it wasn't until late that Peyton even bothered (or was allowed) to challenge them. Also D. Thomas - learn to secure the fucking ball.

I haven't been that close to having a stroke during a game since Tebow was under center. Everytime Peyton was able to be peyton, stuff starting clicking... until DT would drop a ball that was aimed right at him.

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Reply #707 on: October 19, 2015, 11:27:21 AM

That was his throwing shoulder ACK!
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Reply #708 on: October 19, 2015, 11:28:17 AM

That was his throwing shoulder ACK!


You know, you just made me realize that. OH GOD NOW IM TERRIFIED. I WAS JUST EXCITED.

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Reply #709 on: October 19, 2015, 01:31:13 PM

That's almost as stupid as the way Michigan lost their game the other day.  Conceptually, that is just baffling.  Whomever dreamed that play up should be forced to tea-bag a bucket filled with glass shards and lemon juice.  They're going to have to retired that one from the Not Top 10.  It can go sit on a pedestal next to "The Butt Fumble" and "Two Florida Linemen Blocking Each Other".

It is a gimmick that the high school team my friend's son plays for runs on extra points. They line up similar to this, see if the defense is caught off guard and snaps it IMMEDIATELY or shifts back to a kick formation. Stupid razzle-dazzle trick formations only work if you run them quickly, the colts probably would have been successful had snapped the ball as soon as they were set instead of waiting so long.

Even if they had snapped it quick, it was still an illegal formation. They didn't have enough players on the line. I care less about the stupid play and more about the timing of it. They were still in the game at that point. Just punt it away.


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Reply #710 on: October 19, 2015, 02:07:41 PM

Deadspin has a pretty good breakdown of the Colts play

Basically, the goal is supposedly to confuse the opposing team into making a substitution then snapping the ball while they have 12 or more players on the field to draw a penalty. Alternatively the other team might take a timeout to work out what the hell was going on. If they don't bite, eat the delay of game penalty and punt it away anyway.

However:

1) They're trying to pull this against the best coach in the NFL, possibly NFL history. He's not going to waste a timeout on weak shit like this
2) The Pats players didn't bite, just realigned, with Edelman coming up to the line of scrimmage as a safety
3) Even if the Pats had panicked and started substituting the Colts would have been done for two different illegal formation plays - not enough players on the line of scrimmage, and having too many players on one side of the line

Basically the only thing you DON'T do is snap the ball; unless they start making subsitutions. But the Colts panicked, and the rest is history.

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Reply #711 on: October 19, 2015, 08:46:24 PM

That was the sorriest game of football with first place in a division on the line that I've ever seen.
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Reply #712 on: October 19, 2015, 09:40:26 PM

That was the sorriest game of football with first place in a division on the line that I've ever seen.

I feel like this season, even more so than previous ones, you could cut the number of weeks down by half and not really lose anything. The NFC East and the AFC South are just playing for who gets rolled over in the first round of the playoffs. The NFC West might be in that same boat if the Cardinals can't beat a team that's actually good. Green Bay has no competition in their division, and apparently Denver should be able to take their division even if Peyton somehow gets paralyzed from the neck down. The AFC North, AFC East, and NFC South are still in play, but even then it's mostly just to determine which team ends up being the Wild Card. Right now the only way another 11 weeks of Football is going to significantly change the Playoff picture is through injuries.
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Reply #713 on: October 20, 2015, 06:52:46 AM

There are only 10 teams with winning records right now.
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Reply #715 on: October 20, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

That was a super shitty game of football last night. The theme was "Who can shoot their dick off the least?" Because it was just one dick shot after another. The Giants looked good for one drive and then it was crotch rockets all the way down. Philly shouldn't even have made that game close but, OOOOO LOOK, A DICK TO SHOOT! Turnovers, penalties, shitty O line play and rampant ineptitude. The only reason Bradford is still starting is because Sanchez is his backup. He's just not good. It's also criminal how little the Eagles are using Darren Sproles but there are 3 legit #1 RB's on the roster and no way to get them enough touches. The fact that both teams are now tied for first place in the NFC East makes me wish Tony Romo's clavicle had not been broken because as inconsistent as the Cowboys can be, they are not as bad as these two teams if Romo's healthy.

There is no powerhouse division in football this year. The NFC East, AFC North, AFC West, AFC South are garbage top to bottom (and yes, that means I think Denver is garbage too). Denver's only undefeated because their defense is crazy good. The NFC South has two teams that will probably make the playoffs, but I do not expect them to be contenders - I just can't believe in either Atlanta or Carolina. Cam Newton has yet to prove he can win in the playoffs and he doesn't have a lot of offensive talent around him. The NFC North has Green Bay and nothing else - the Vikings are going to fold. The NFC West is one Carson Palmer knee injury away from irrelevance. At 4 losses, I don't think Seattle make the playoffs without a lot of help. The AFC East has some decent teams (yes, the Jets are decent and Buffalo could be a spoiler) but they'll have to beat New England and I'm not sure that's going to happen more than once. The AFC South is terrible from top to bottom and any of those teams could go on enough of a tear to win that division at 7-9 or 6-10. It's this year's NFC South.

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Reply #716 on: October 20, 2015, 10:04:54 AM

I almost feel bad for Denver, how disrespected can a 6-0 football be? Let's see how crazy good that D is against a good QB. We're going to find out!

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Reply #717 on: October 20, 2015, 10:32:55 AM

I almost feel bad for Denver, how disrespected can a 6-0 football be? Let's see how crazy good that D is against a good QB. We're going to find out!

When Peyton has to play outdoors in November and December he will be even worse than he has been so far. Not sure their defense overcomes that. Definitely not in the playoffs.

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Reply #718 on: October 20, 2015, 10:36:56 AM

Problem isn't solely Peyton. And when they DO let Peyton be Peyton, stuff works... until DT drops a critical ball.

Things are starting to come together. The O-Line performed a lot better this week and we started to establish a running game. Mind you, it was against the 30th ranked Running defense, but given the complete lack of ability the previous weeks, I still see it as a vast improvement. Keep in mind we've also done this mostly on the road. 4/6 games have been on the road.

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Reply #719 on: October 20, 2015, 11:13:14 AM

I didn't even watch the MNF game at all. And I'm a Cowboys fan with something to actually root for in that matchup.

The NFL is shit this year on the field. I'm tired of putting up with it. Thursday I'd rather watch college, and Monday I watched baseball. I'll tune into Sunday games if they don't suck, but this weekend I got Chargers and Packers which was okay, and Cleveland v. Denver, which was not fun to watch at all.

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Reply #720 on: October 20, 2015, 11:15:31 AM

Problem isn't solely Peyton. And when they DO let Peyton be Peyton, stuff works... until DT drops a critical ball.

Things are starting to come together. The O-Line performed a lot better this week and we started to establish a running game. Mind you, it was against the 30th ranked Running defense, but given the complete lack of ability the previous weeks, I still see it as a vast improvement. Keep in mind we've also done this mostly on the road. 4/6 games have been on the road.

Not all Peyton's fault, but his arm/shoulder isn't what it used to be and A LOT of his balls are wobbly garbage. When the cold weather makes the ball harder to control/grip, these are going to become a real problem.

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Reply #721 on: October 20, 2015, 11:24:51 AM

I gotta agree with Way on this one. Outdoors in the cold weather? This Peyton is going to get fucking killed, because DT will drop more balls and Peyton won't have the arm strength to thread good balls in there. Plus his arm will have that much more fatigue in it. The only times their offense has really clicked is when they stopped playing Kubiak's offense and started letting Peyton run shit on the field.

Buck up, though. It's not just the Broncos that are undefeated and disrespected. Everyone's shitting on the Bengals too because LOLDALTON. No one thinks the Bengals can win a playoff game.

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Reply #722 on: October 20, 2015, 11:26:47 AM

Not all Peyton's fault, but his arm/shoulder isn't what it used to be and A LOT of his balls are wobbly garbage. When the cold weather makes the ball harder to control/grip, these are going to become a real problem.

His throws have been like that the entire time he's been in Denver. It's a result of the nerve damage from his surgeries. Keep in mind his STAR WARS NUMBERS were two years ago. What's are the big differences between this year and last? A New System. The system sucks for Peyton. Pure and simple. That doesn't mean Peyton isn't regressing more (dude's 39), but this whole talk of putting it on his shoulders is just repetitive and simplistic.

Again, the times they've let him pop into Shotgun and do what he do, we have a lot more success. But we still have some really bad route running (Daniels is GARBAGE on this team) and big BIG BIG drops.

Buck up, though. It's not just the Broncos that are undefeated and disrespected. Everyone's shitting on the Bengals too because LOLDALTON. No one thinks the Bengals can win a playoff game.

I don't know how Bengals seem to be flying under the radar while still being 6-0, but they are.

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Reply #723 on: October 20, 2015, 11:27:35 AM

Because LOLDALTON.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #724 on: October 20, 2015, 11:28:21 AM

Because LOLDALTON.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Also LOLMarvinLewis. He is good for a few utterly idiotic moves every season.

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Reply #725 on: October 20, 2015, 01:09:45 PM

Panthers, Bengals, Denver. All completely disregarded undefeated teams. I find that hilarious.

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Reply #726 on: October 20, 2015, 02:30:23 PM

It really is because no one really believes in certain pretty key aspects of their team, namely the QB. Most of the sports people won't admit it but even they see that Peyton's arm is a wet noodle and he's in an offense built to make Trent Dilfer not lose a game. Dalton has choked in every playoff appearance he's had. No one thinks Cam Newton can be the kind of QB who will win a Super Bowl with no real talent around him.

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Reply #727 on: October 20, 2015, 03:02:44 PM

It really is because no one really believes in certain pretty key aspects of their team, namely the QB. Most of the sports people won't admit it but even they see that Peyton's arm is a wet noodle and he's in an offense built to make Trent Dilfer not lose a game. Dalton has choked in every playoff appearance he's had. No one thinks Cam Newton can be the kind of QB who will win a Super Bowl with no real talent around him.

In a couple years Dalton and Newton will end up being the some of the best QB's in the league by default. If Peyton has any sense he'll be gone after this year. Brady is 38 although he's still looking good enough to play a few more years (but that could change in an instant). Romo has been injury prone the last few years. Brees and Roethlisberger have both been injured this season and aren't in their prime anymore. Flacco and Rivers are Flacco and Rivers. What do we have to look forward to after they're gone? RG3, who couldn't even make it out of pre-season without getting injured? Geno Smith, whose broken jaw at the hands of his own teammate was probably the best thing that could have happened for the Jets? Kaepernick and Wison? McCown (either of them)? Carr could be good if he wasn't stuck with the Raiders. Talent at the QB position is so thin in the NFL these days that fucking Michael Vick was starting games prior to getting injured himself. The Steelers and the Cowboys are both on their 3rd QB's this season. Basically, we better hope nothing bad happens to Rodgers over the next 7-8 years because he might be the only legitimately good QB left in the league soon.
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Reply #729 on: October 20, 2015, 06:34:04 PM

Fred Jackson wrecks car in reported drag race with Marshawn Lynch


Cliff Avril is claiming it's a false story, but Jax did in fact crash.

My wife saw it happen!

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Reply #730 on: October 20, 2015, 06:35:39 PM

It really is because no one really believes in certain pretty key aspects of their team, namely the QB. Most of the sports people won't admit it but even they see that Peyton's arm is a wet noodle and he's in an offense built to make Trent Dilfer not lose a game. Dalton has choked in every playoff appearance he's had. No one thinks Cam Newton can be the kind of QB who will win a Super Bowl with no real talent around him.

In a couple years Dalton and Newton will end up being the some of the best QB's in the league by default. If Peyton has any sense he'll be gone after this year. Brady is 38 although he's still looking good enough to play a few more years (but that could change in an instant). Romo has been injury prone the last few years. Brees and Roethlisberger have both been injured this season and aren't in their prime anymore. Flacco and Rivers are Flacco and Rivers. What do we have to look forward to after they're gone? RG3, who couldn't even make it out of pre-season without getting injured? Geno Smith, whose broken jaw at the hands of his own teammate was probably the best thing that could have happened for the Jets? Kaepernick and Wison? McCown (either of them)? Carr could be good if he wasn't stuck with the Raiders. Talent at the QB position is so thin in the NFL these days that fucking Michael Vick was starting games prior to getting injured himself. The Steelers and the Cowboys are both on their 3rd QB's this season. Basically, we better hope nothing bad happens to Rodgers over the next 7-8 years because he might be the only legitimately good QB left in the league soon.

Last year I looked and the only players in the NFL over 40 was a kicker.  There is no way Brady makes it to 40, even with the new rules.

What separates the great QBs from the good ones is the time they put in studying film and their ability to apply it instantly on the field.  At an interview this year, Brady confessed that he knows what the defense is going to do 99% of the time.  It takes Brains and dedication to get that level. 

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Reply #731 on: October 20, 2015, 06:38:39 PM

At an interview this year, Brady confessed that he knows what the defense is going to do 99% of the time.  It takes Brains and dedication to get that level. 

 Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #733 on: October 21, 2015, 07:44:12 AM

Panthers, Bengals, Denver. All completely disregarded undefeated teams. I find that hilarious.

Bengals are the most legit undefeated team.

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Reply #734 on: October 21, 2015, 07:45:26 AM

Their defense is crazy good, but I still doubt both Dalton and Marvin Lewis. Both shit the bed at the worst possible times.

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