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Khaldun
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Relax a little. A bad movie that some feminist or other thinks will be a good movie is not the end of Western Civilization. Nobody's going to break into your hideout with castration equipment because you think the Ghostbusters reboot looks bad.
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angry.bob
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Oh please, I'm totally relaxed. The harder they push shit like that the happier I am. Remember, I've been the resident *ist for years now. It pleases me that you all are considered just as bad as me for not finding this trainwreck "adorkable".
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TheWalrus
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Oh don't knock yourself down man. We still think you're the worst.
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Per Hudson interview that is going around, Winston was originally written for Eddie Murphy and came in at page 8 of the script as one of the main scientists with the others. When he passed it was written down to the "working class guy" coming in at page 38. Hudson still did quite a bit with the role, but there you go.
As to Murray being quintessential, I would agree but I think that Akroyd, Ramis, and Moranis were also key ingredients that just can't be replicated. Although I like her, I think most of the Weaver stuff in the original film actually dragged it down quite a bit. I like Paul Feig in general, but I think trying to adapt an existing franchise may have really sucked the life out of his perspective based on the trailer.
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The best thing to do would've just been to make a new IP like Ghostbusters so you don't have the actresses being judged against what is basically one of those "once in a lifetime" combinations of talent that produced a classic.
Also across both movies there is precisely one joke that has anything to do with Winston's race, which is the "I've seen shit that'll turn you WHITE!" joke. Other than that he doesn't shuck and jive, nor is he an idiot. He's as mentioned, the straightman to the rest of the team.
Also I'm seeing stuff mentioning how problematic it is that Jones got cast as the one person with no college education and a blue collar job. There is some internal bloodletting in some other groups of people I follow on twitter. Self-claimed progressive movie critics saying that it really looks like shit and explaining why while Feig's female takes on typically male-cast comedy archtypes turn out well, he seems to have likely fucked up adapting the reboot of a classic movie. And they immediately came under fire from their "friends" for saying so.
To be honest I kinda agree it was kinda stupid/short-sighted to cast Jones as the Winston replacement. If you REALLY insisted on rebooting Ghostbusters the best thing to do is to make new characters and not try to evoke the original cast at all. Now you have NotEgon licking her proton pistols and Jones doing this Maeda-busts-the-ghosts shtick; which makes the comparison to the original even worse.
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The best thing to do would've just been to make Would've been a comedy with 4 funny people instead of 3 not funny people and 1 marginally funny person. |
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HaemishM
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The funniest part about anyone saying that we all hate the trailer because it has women in it is that none of the "jokes" in that trailer were things that HAD to have a woman to say them. They were gender neutral jokes - they just weren't funny. Or they might have been funny the first time I saw them, but I've seen them in trailers and movies for 44+ years. Nothing in that trailer brought anything new to those jokes or those approaches. It was like Cheap Comedy Trailer 101.
As for Jones and the racial stereotyping, yes that part bothered me the most. It's the 2k version of Mammy and I'm amazed that anyone would think it wasn't. It might have been funny if one of the white women had said it as a kind of role reversal, but to have that be one of the few big moments in the trailer for the black actress just leaves an impression of "these are the jokes we give the black actor because she's black. Aren't Magical Negroes funny?"
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Amarr HM
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At least give the poor girls some decent dialogue, not this muttering under your breath, neurotic Bridesmaids schlock.
Whats with the gun licking, fuck that, what is she cat woman?
Any remake of any film that starred Bill Murray, that doesn't have Bill Murray recast, should fucking tank. Lets call it Murrays law.
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HaemishM
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I still didn't laugh, but it was a HYUGE improvement over the official trailer.
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eldaec
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I particularly enjoyed the lack of terrible "As you know, you are good at quantum physics" dialog.
Even the gun licking was bearable.
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Interesting that the shout out to the original in the beginning of the clip, 30 years ago.... 4 scientists saved New York...
IIRC, there were only 3 scientists and Winston was the unemployed blue collar worker. Little thing but still.
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NowhereMan
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I still didn't laugh, but it was a HYUGE improvement over the official trailer.
In fairness it also had a lot less dialogue and parts of the film in it. I'm not sure if cutting everything except random bits of action and the visual callbacks improving the trailer is a good indicator of film. You're right that it should make the marketing guys feel bad. |
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Draegan
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Ghosts look terrible.
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angry.bob
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Oh don't knock yourself down man. We still think you're the worst.
Oh, I'm sure you do. The point is that to progressives, you're all as bad as me. |
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KallDrexx
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Wow they are really reaching if that's the best they could come up with. It's also clear that someone has no concept of locality of jobs. |
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Soulflame
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I'm a progressive.
The movie looks terrible, the casting sounds stupid, the dialogue sounds atrocious, it all seems an nonredeemable mess that should have never made it past the green light meeting.
I sure hope someone stops speaking for progressives. That would be fantastic.
Or someone could continue speaking for the progressives that seem to live only in his head. That will in no way negatively affect the view anyone else has of someone on these forums.
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Trippy
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I'll wait for the fan edit that just has the scenes with Kate McKinnon in it.
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schild
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I'll wait for the fan edit that just has the scenes with Kate McKinnon in it.
Funny because I'll wait for the fan edit that her (and the rest of them) not in it. Maybe someone will just splice the original cast into it and remake Ghostbusters. |
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Riggswolfe
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I'll wait for the fan edit that just has the scenes with Kate McKinnon in it.
Her moments in the trailer were the only ones I enjoyed. That woman likely has a long career ahead of her if this movie doesn't kill it. |
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If there is a cut of just Kristen Wiig and McKinnon having pillow fights in the nude, I could probably be persuaded to watch it.
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schild
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McKinnon having pillow fights in the nude, I could probably be persuaded to watch it. I couldn't be. |
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Malakili
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If I had only see that fan edit trailer there is a good chance I would have gone to see this. The full trailer is SO much worse. Netflix four years from now after I've forgotten it even exists and randomly come across it will have to do.
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Setanta
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Any remake of any film that starred Bill Murray, that doesn't have Bill Murray recast, should fucking tank. Lets call it Murrays law.
Even Bill Murray et.al. didn't make the sequel decent. There was something about the first film that just worked and people shouldn't attempt to replicate that success. |
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Or someone could continue speaking for the progressives that seem to live only in his head. That will in no way negatively affect the view anyone else has of someone on these forums.
To be fair to Bob (which isn't always easy) they are out there. Bob just spends too much time wallowing in neo-reactionary outrage porn. If you spend your time *looking* for the stuff that will piss you off, it's not hard to be convinced that they are omnipresent. --Dave |
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Margalis
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I wouldn't buy Leslie Jones as a scientist, even less than I buy the others as scientists.
In Ghostbusters the two main scientist guys (Ray and Egon) actually come off a super smart. I really have trouble believing any of these women as world-class physicists and such (maybe I could buy McKinnon as a goofy Egon type), but especially Jones would be way off. Not because she's black, but because of her entire persona. She is big, loud and crude - that's her shtick.
I do have to laugh at the people who were like "if you dislike ghostbusters you must be sexist" who are now "if you like Ghostbusters you must be racist" and those people definitely do exist.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Another problem is that, other than McKinnon, they're all too old.
When Ghostbusters came out in 1984: Ramis was 40, Hudson was 39, Murray was 34, and Aykroyd was 32. The original three were researchers at Columbia before their funding was cut: Spengler was a professor with Murray and Aykroyd as his postdoc researchers. By the time Ghostbusters II came out five years later, they're making "too old for this" jokes.
McKinnon is 32, but Wiig is 43, McCarthy is 46, and Jones is 49.
There is no shortage of female actors in their 30s who can play Hollywood nerds.
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eldaec
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OK, now you're reaching. By my maths thats an average of only 7 years older.
I'm pretty sure that even a mediocre professional actor has sufficient range to play 7 years younger.
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Venkman
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7 years doesn't sound like a lot until you talk to someone in their early 30s and then again 7 years later. That's a big fucking difference. Probably married/kids/house different, and maybe even startup-sold/corporate-stooge different.
It's not the age. It's the life stage.
In other news, this trailer sucked. The idea of this movie sucked. Don't give me any of this shit about how this movie isn't for fans of the original. That's the only reason this exists. Absent that original and the people still alive who like it, this brand wouldn't be anything worth making a movie for.
It has nothing to do with women/men, blue color/white collar, college educated/high school educated. It's because even the source couldn't be sequeled (II sucked). Some things just can't. Fifth Element II? My Cousin Vinny II? No. Some things just aren't franchises, no matter the creative bankruptcy that allows such thinking to occur.
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angry.bob
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Or someone could continue speaking for the progressives that seem to live only in his head. That will in no way negatively affect the view anyone else has of someone on these forums.
To be fair to Bob (which isn't always easy) they are out there. Bob just spends too much time wallowing in neo-reactionary outrage porn. If you spend your time *looking* for the stuff that will piss you off, it's not hard to be convinced that they are omnipresent. --Dave It's not as if you have to dig particularly deep. They've been spouting the same stuff since Occupy Wall Street and doing it on national TV. Nowadays it's actually being reported on directly and the number of people witnessing it for themselves is increasing. |
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Or someone could continue speaking for the progressives that seem to live only in his head. That will in no way negatively affect the view anyone else has of someone on these forums.
To be fair to Bob (which isn't always easy) they are out there. Bob just spends too much time wallowing in neo-reactionary outrage porn. If you spend your time *looking* for the stuff that will piss you off, it's not hard to be convinced that they are omnipresent. --Dave Fair enough, I can agree with that. |
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eldaec
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The problem with ghostbusters 2 (and probably with this) is that they were/are trying to tell the same story again.
They didn't figure out what story hasn't been told, they just reset everything and went again, once you do that it has to be flat out better or nobody cares. I don't believe for a moment it would be impossible to make another watchable ghostbusters film, but they needed to pick a new story.
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Yeah, that's what I got from the trailer. It's Madea hunts ghosts.
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