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Reply #35 on: November 07, 2014, 08:13:55 PM

Looks interesting to me. If it is free. If I have to buy to play then forget it. If somebody can buy a better kill count with money then I wont play it.

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Reply #36 on: November 07, 2014, 08:24:26 PM

A few other characters off to the left here that aren't on the main site. Think the cowboy and green ninja sword guy were shown a bit in the cinematic trailer. I'm putting fat tire-wearing gas mask man on my list of characters I am interested in now.

From the looks of it, they'll have plenty of character options for the person who doesn't have twitchy MLG skills. This is blizzard after all, they want as wide of an audience as possible.
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Reply #37 on: November 07, 2014, 08:27:22 PM

I don't get the draw. I really dislike fps games where all you do is run around and shoot each other and die.
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Reply #38 on: November 07, 2014, 08:35:51 PM

The idea seems fine.  It will of course come down entirely to the execution of the FPS mechanics.  This kind of game needs to be extremely tight and smooth with its gameplay or it will feel clunky and tedious.  However, given the lack of interesting shooters (literally guys, I still load up Quake Live for fucks sake) I hope they make it work.
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Reply #39 on: November 07, 2014, 08:57:01 PM

Meh. I heard Blizzard does TF2 and couldn't even be arsed to watch the trailer. 0 fucks given.

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Reply #40 on: November 07, 2014, 09:30:27 PM

I like the idea. Everything else is TBD until it's on my computer. Haven't played TF2 for years, but could again if wrapped differently.
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Reply #41 on: November 07, 2014, 09:35:22 PM

There are like a half-dozen games that look almost identical to this.

BattleCry and BattleBorne are two. I can't remember the names of the others. Nosgoth is also pretty similar. (Though visually different)

TF2 / LoL hybrids. Focus on objectives rather than deathmatch, play as individually named characters rather than classes, more emphasis on special abilities rather than just shooting / jumping.

This doesn't look bad but it does look very familiar. Especially the reliance on catchphrases, character that look and sound cool to 13-year-olds, and central-casting stereotypes / archetypes. That said I am genuinely surprised Blizzard created some original characters, rather than just making another Warcraft / Starcraft / Diablo mashup.

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Reply #42 on: November 07, 2014, 09:42:12 PM

Snarky response for that is, "Metzen wasn't going to let his cool new voicover Mary Sues get trashed just because Titan was dead."

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Reply #43 on: November 07, 2014, 10:26:43 PM

This doesn't look bad but it does look very familiar. Especially the reliance on catchphrases, character that look and sound cool to 13-year-olds, and central-casting stereotypes / archetypes.

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Reply #44 on: November 07, 2014, 11:06:37 PM

There are like a half-dozen games that look almost identical to this.

Very few of them have the notoriety or the marketing dollars of Blizzard.
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Reply #45 on: November 07, 2014, 11:34:21 PM

Okay so here's something that Blizzard haters could point at in my mind and say, "It would make nothing if it wasn't Blizzard!"

There's no ties to anything. There's no prior lore. There's no real attachment. This is purely the Blizzard name on a box of something that's been done by a half-dozen other houses. If it blows things out of the water in numbers, they can point to this forever.

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Reply #46 on: November 08, 2014, 12:04:18 AM

Very few of them have the notoriety or the marketing dollars of Blizzard.

That's true. Of if you want to be charitable to Blizzard you could say that none of them have the reputation for quality.

I'm not a fan of Blizzard at all but if I had to pick between Bethesda and Blizzard on which would make a better TF2/LoL hybrid arena shooter I'd pick Blizzard.

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Reply #47 on: November 08, 2014, 12:26:55 AM

This is way more interesting than Battlecry.

Still not for me, though.

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Reply #48 on: November 08, 2014, 02:09:30 AM

Honestly I no longer care what Blizzard release. They've shown quite clearly with D3 and the direction they took WoW in that all they know how to make is grind with a pretty skin. This'll be no different plus "micro"trans.

Not interested.

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Reply #49 on: November 08, 2014, 03:44:17 AM

Moreso than anyone but Valve, Blizzard's talent is making really well polished games. They may not be any good, but they'll still have that shine.

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Reply #50 on: November 08, 2014, 05:20:49 AM

The trailer looks really weird to me, and I don't fully understand why. Is that in house blizzard?

It looks like a pixar movie.




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Reply #51 on: November 08, 2014, 05:25:52 AM

This will be huge because Blizzard. At least to start. I have no idea if they make much on Hearthstone, but I assume this would be similar from a revenue standpoint.

Yes, I don't see how it can not be not huge, as it's TF2 with more classes, new mechanics, new scenery, high production values and general "it's new!" hype.


I don't care for TF (and TF-like) games, so personally it holds no interests though.

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Reply #52 on: November 08, 2014, 06:25:53 AM

The environments promise the world, but Blizzard can only clone so TF2 it is.

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Reply #53 on: November 08, 2014, 08:53:36 AM

This will be huge because Blizzard. At least to start. I have no idea if they make much on Hearthstone, but I assume this would be similar from a revenue standpoint.

Yes, I don't see how it can not be not huge, as it's TF2 with more classes, new mechanics, new scenery, high production values and general "it's new!" hype.


I don't care for TF (and TF-like) games, so personally it holds no interests though.

I can easily see how this doesn't become huge. It's a game that's been done a ton for a long time. It'll be entertaining for a while but Blizzard managed to fuck up Diablo 3, so why would they do anything good here?
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Reply #54 on: November 08, 2014, 09:05:23 AM

Meh I'll play it.

I loved TF2 for a long time, and this seems to have a lot more tactical and interesting mechanics. 
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Reply #55 on: November 08, 2014, 09:05:39 AM

I like to think that, since Bliz also un-fucked Diablo after fucking it rightly so, they are capable of learning from their own mistakes and doing better. I mean, c'mon, how many companies these days have the financial wherewithal to host their own fan convention on a semi-consistent basis? You don't get their without the fans having your back.

I agree that what we've seen thus far is lacking and/or too similar to other market products, but I'm willing to give Bliz the benefit of the doubt for at least trying something new for them.

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Reply #56 on: November 08, 2014, 10:25:11 AM

Meh I'll play it.

I loved TF2 for a long time, and this seems to have a lot more tactical and interesting mechanics. 

This is me pretty much. Plus my IRL gaming friends love FPS so it'll def get a couple weeks out of me.
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Reply #57 on: November 08, 2014, 11:24:02 AM

This was a brilliant business move -- cancelling Titan and making this game instead. Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm aside, seeing what they are doing with Overwatch had a lot more impact on my opinion of Blizzard.

Of course the I.P. is going to have no previous ties, that's the point -- they wanted a new I.P. and are using the Blizzard name and marketing to build investment. Cinematic reminded me of Wildstar, actually, but I see the Pixar.

This game announcement officially announces the close of the MMO era, and I don't see the industry ever embracing that model as it was in the 00's. High-investment, high-risk, high failure rate.

Now it's all about small-scale competitive multiplayer which has LoL as king. I saw this game is targeted at people tired of TF2, however difficult it might be to get there. Anyone else make an immediate connection to Monday Night Combat?
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Reply #58 on: November 08, 2014, 12:05:12 PM

Interestingly the matches will be limited to 6 vs 6 fights. Not sure how noob-friendly that is.

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Reply #59 on: November 08, 2014, 12:11:15 PM

Interestingly the matches will be limited to 6 vs 6 fights. Not sure how noob-friendly that is.

Annnnnd I just lost all interest.
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Reply #60 on: November 08, 2014, 12:20:36 PM

I'll play it.
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Reply #61 on: November 08, 2014, 12:36:35 PM

Interestingly the matches will be limited to 6 vs 6 fights. Not sure how noob-friendly that is.

If it's anything like most match-making systems these days, it won't be at first, but as the server starts to recognize one's noobness based on performance and stats, it'll pair you accordingly.

Vs. the AI will probably be the recommended path for true noobs at first.

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Reply #62 on: November 08, 2014, 01:16:02 PM

Interestingly the matches will be limited to 6 vs 6 fights. Not sure how noob-friendly that is.
Annnnnd I just lost all interest.
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Reply #63 on: November 08, 2014, 01:47:37 PM

Annnnnd I just lost all interest.

Well, it's free. What risk is there? Worst case it becomes stale after a few hours.


If it's anything like most match-making systems these days, it won't be at first, but as the server starts to recognize one's noobness based on performance and stats, it'll pair you accordingly.
Vs. the AI will probably be the recommended path for true noobs at first.

My preferred way to play TF was to swim with the masses, run around as a lose cannon, trying to get killls and not care about the objective.

That probably wont be doable in this game.

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Reply #64 on: November 08, 2014, 02:15:20 PM

Annnnnd I just lost all interest.

Well, it's free. What risk is there? Worst case it becomes stale after a few hours.


Well, it's not like its a risk, but just realistically I don't have the inclination to install and fire up games just to try them if they haven't proven to be otherwise interesting.  There are too many games out there that I do want to try to take the time out of my day to try ones I don't think I'll like. 

Who knows, maybe as more information comes out it'll look worth trying again, it's not like I can change my mind later.  But as Trippy points out, this is a big signal to me that they aren't going in a direction I care for that extends well beyond the 6v6 limit.
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Reply #65 on: November 08, 2014, 04:11:09 PM

The trailer looks really weird to me, and I don't fully understand why. Is that in house blizzard?

It looks like a pixar movie.


It really does. Like I guess that's the modern version of 'cartoon' these days though. It also reminds me a LOT of the fairly recent LoL cinematic. To a point where I wonder if Blizz farmed the cinematic out... but Blizz has like super good in house cinematic people so that seems unlikely.

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Reply #66 on: November 08, 2014, 04:26:36 PM

The video was in-house.

We don't know that it's free though.  They haven't announced a pricing structure at all.

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Reply #67 on: November 08, 2014, 06:59:15 PM

Moreso than anyone but Valve, Blizzard's talent is making really well polished games. They may not be any good, but they'll still have that shine.

This is still kind of true, but this feels less true to me now.

Previously to me Blizzard polish meant graphical polish, performance polish, look and feel stuff (interface, sound, etc) as well as systems polish. I don't think that last one is the case any more. The systems are now often a weak point in games - to some degree this is true of Diablo, Starcraft and Heroes of the Storm.

They still know how to make the moment-to-moment action feel good and look nice but the weakness of these games is their core gameplay.

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Reply #68 on: November 08, 2014, 07:15:23 PM

This is re-purposed leftovers from a failed project. How can it be anything but bad?

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Reply #69 on: November 08, 2014, 07:21:46 PM

Actually this reminds me of that Warhammer Online spinoff. Wrath of Heroes?

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