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Yegolev
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on: October 01, 2014, 11:03:33 AM

Played this for ~45 minutes during lunch.  I got gaming wood.

Game Of All The Years.

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Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 11:05:17 AM

Played this for ~45 minutes during lunch.  I got gaming wood.

Game Of All The Years.

I'd love to read a more thorough review after ~ 20 hrs.  I've been contemplating buying this.

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Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 11:10:29 AM

I'm sure someone has been playing this constantly since it released but if no one steps up, I'll be your huckleberry.

So far, the details are getting my attention, such as world lore (yes, Tokien, I know) which isn't canon-breaking to any degree that I care about.  Combat is good.  I like it very much without even exploring the Nemesis system yet.

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Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 11:32:18 AM

I have no idea what this is.  The limited press I've seen makes it look like Dynasty Warriors, Middle Earth edition.  Is that even remotely on point?
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Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 11:37:44 AM

Played this for ~45 minutes during lunch.  I got gaming wood.

Game Of All The Years.

So, get it at the Steam Christmas Sale.
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Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 11:39:09 AM

I have no idea what this is.  The limited press I've seen makes it look like Dynasty Warriors, Middle Earth edition.  Is that even remotely on point?
No it's more like Batman: Arkham meets bits of Assassin Creed in Middle Earth.
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Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 11:39:22 AM

I have no idea what this is.  The limited press I've seen makes it look like Dynasty Warriors, Middle Earth edition.  Is that even remotely on point?

It's been more closely compared to Batman: AA or AC.

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Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 11:45:21 AM

I have no idea what this is.  The limited press I've seen makes it look like Dynasty Warriors, Middle Earth edition.  Is that even remotely on point?
No it's more like Batman: Arkham meets bits of Assassin Creed in Middle Earth.
Haha wow that sounds terrible.
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Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 11:47:34 AM

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Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 11:53:13 AM

It's not terrible.  I played all the Batmens, and I like this better.  Give me 45 more minutes, but so far so good.

So, get it at the Steam Christmas Sale.

#pcmasterrace , yes.  Get every thing at the Steam Sale, I say.  Personally I need something to play that isn't Destiny or Fallout so I bought it at Target and got a $10 store credit.
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Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 11:53:34 AM

Wow, I kinda want that system in Bloodborne and not a fucking LOTR licensed piece of crap.

Edit: Yegolev, for reference, I hated the Batman games. They were just 3D Final Fight and I'm not predisposed to caring about comic book characters.
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Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 12:00:08 PM

I'm not sure how much it will annoy you to stalk orcs, then.  I beat up one or two, but the third one's brain became food for my scheme of vengeance.  The head-lopping is satisfactory.  Batmang never decapitated anyone.

I also freed a slave, so you can get your Moses on.

I figure this relates to Batmang the way Destiny relates to Halo.  Replace engrams that dryfuck you with the Nemesis system.

Field reports are that the orc bosses are indeed randomly generated, which makes my mouth water.

I'm not saying that you should not wait for the Steam Sale.

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Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 12:01:21 PM

]The third thread I will chime in on this - it's good, it's really, really good. Love how the combat flows and how visceral it is and the nemesis system will be copied and copied and copied in many, many games to come. It's absolutely excellent.

Field reports are that the orc bosses are indeed randomly generated, which makes my mouth water.

I'm not saying that you should not wait for the Steam Sale.

Randomly generated and when some Orc peon gets a killshot on you, they randomly level up too.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 12:03:59 PM by murdoc »

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Reply #13 on: October 01, 2014, 12:18:01 PM

Just watch the GBQL, the Nemesis system with random orcs is really really cool. The main character pales in comparison to the bad guys.

http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/quick-look-middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor/2300-9514/
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Reply #14 on: October 01, 2014, 12:18:16 PM

GODLIATH!!  why so serious?

I have been eyeballing this since I heard it was worth at least a look. Might be worth a Thanksgiving/Xmas buy.

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Reply #15 on: October 01, 2014, 01:21:26 PM

Turns out the drama over this game is interesting too. Here's two articles about the game, and they're already gathering hate from the internet's freshly converted SoM believers.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/1/6880061/shadow-mordor-kissing-design

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/6881161/middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor-torture-terrorism

As a bonus, something that would've fit SoM like a fist in the face. Would have, becauset the games industry is already irreversibly dumb and shallow in its quest to woo the lowest common denominator.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/15/last_ringbearer/

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Reply #16 on: October 01, 2014, 01:32:26 PM

Well Zach Gage can fuck right off.
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Reply #17 on: October 01, 2014, 01:53:38 PM

Turns out the drama over this game is interesting too. Here's two articles about the game, and they're already gathering hate from the internet's freshly converted SoM believers.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/1/6880061/shadow-mordor-kissing-design

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/6881161/middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor-torture-terrorism

As a bonus, something that would've fit SoM like a fist in the face. Would have, becauset the games industry is already irreversibly dumb and shallow in its quest to woo the lowest common denominator.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/15/last_ringbearer/



Won't somebody think of the orcs?  Sad Panda
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Reply #18 on: October 01, 2014, 02:05:45 PM

Turns out the drama over this game is interesting too. Here's two articles about the game, and they're already gathering hate from the internet's freshly converted SoM believers.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/1/6880061/shadow-mordor-kissing-design

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/6881161/middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor-torture-terrorism

As a bonus, something that would've fit SoM like a fist in the face. Would have, becauset the games industry is already irreversibly dumb and shallow in its quest to woo the lowest common denominator.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/15/last_ringbearer/



Won't somebody think of the orcs?  Sad Panda

That's one of the most interesting avenues to explore in fantasy, and only one shitty French games developer has even tried it. A pity.

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Reply #19 on: October 01, 2014, 02:07:35 PM

Well Zach Gage can fuck right off.
Yes.  Dear god.  Fuck game 'journalism'.
As a bonus, something that would've fit SoM like a fist in the face. Would have, becauset the games industry is already irreversibly dumb and shallow in its quest to woo the lowest common denominator.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/15/last_ringbearer/
Yeah.....no.  I haven't read it, so obviously I can only comment on all the various summaries I just read.  But it sounds like 'Spring Time for Hitler Sauron', the book.  Fitting perfectly in with current Russian ideology that portrays the decadent and gay loving west as the true bad guys who oppose the fascist morally, culturally, intellectually, and physically superior Slavic race.

Wicked sounds like it does a much better job at the sort of thing its attempting, and wicked really isn't very good.  There IS potential for something of that nature to work out well in games.  But please not that particular example...

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Reply #20 on: October 01, 2014, 02:19:22 PM

Yeah.....no.  I haven't read it, so obviously I can only comment on all the various summaries I just read.  But it sounds like 'Spring Time for Hitler Sauron', the book.  Fitting perfectly in with current Russian ideology that portrays the decadent and gay loving west as the true bad guys who oppose the fascist morally, culturally, intellectually, and physically superior Slavic race.


Somebody's reading a leeeeetle bit too much into it.

edit: I mean this shit is delivering already. You guys are acting like a bunch of fucking drama queens. Over some video game opinions. And some bonus Tolkien, but I guess Tolkien blasphemy is its own can of worms.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 02:21:41 PM by jakonovski »
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Reply #21 on: October 01, 2014, 02:22:18 PM

Maybe.  Sorry, been drinking.  And reading reports on Russia political and ideological movements for the last few weeks.  Probably a bad combo.

But man........that thing reads way to closely to a ton of 'New Russia' propaganda narratives.

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Reply #22 on: October 01, 2014, 02:22:56 PM

Maybe.  Sorry, been drinking.  And reading reports on Russia political and ideological movements for the last few weeks.  Probably a bad combo.

But man........that thing reads way to closely to a ton of 'New Russia' propaganda narratives.

I don't think Novorussia extends to bad Tolkien fanfic written in the late 90s. In any case, who knows what the author really thinks, but the idea of victimized orcs is pretty great anyway. Because Tolkien is just a bunch of unwitting White Saviour allegories.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 02:26:39 PM by jakonovski »
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Reply #23 on: October 01, 2014, 03:22:04 PM

I should read everything instead of replying when I see something. Just reiterating that this game is great, in spite of being a Lord of the Rings game.
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Reply #24 on: October 01, 2014, 03:49:08 PM

i wantssssss it my precioussssss i wants it but we are patient yes we waits for steam sale preciousssss
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Reply #25 on: October 01, 2014, 03:58:50 PM

Turns out the drama over this game is interesting too. Here's two articles about the game, and they're already gathering hate from the internet's freshly converted SoM believers.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/1/6880061/shadow-mordor-kissing-design

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/6881161/middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor-torture-terrorism

As a bonus, something that would've fit SoM like a fist in the face. Would have, becauset the games industry is already irreversibly dumb and shallow in its quest to woo the lowest common denominator.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/15/last_ringbearer/



The first link is awful, the second is pretty reasonable though.
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Reply #26 on: October 01, 2014, 04:58:31 PM

Anyone have or plan on getting it for a console? I'd buy it for PC, but there is zero chance mine will run it well.
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Reply #27 on: October 01, 2014, 06:03:01 PM

Anyone have or plan on getting it for a console? I'd buy it for PC, but there is zero chance mine will run it well.

Probably for the PS4 since I need to grow my collection. Will have to wait till November though - need shit for my car.

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Reply #28 on: October 01, 2014, 06:37:53 PM

Yea been eyeing this one. Quick look looks good. Slightly more AC than AA vibe to me, especially AC4. Definitely want, but not until I'm done with Divinity. Which at my current rate is gonna be sometime next year... Or in time for Steam Sale smiley
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Reply #29 on: October 01, 2014, 07:05:34 PM

Just watch the GBQL, the Nemesis system with random orcs is really really cool. The main character pales in comparison to the bad guys.

http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/quick-look-middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor/2300-9514/

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Reply #30 on: October 01, 2014, 08:53:13 PM

Yea, this looks like an amazing game for $20 or less so I can ignore the fact I only care about one system.
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Reply #31 on: October 01, 2014, 10:24:09 PM

I think I actually like this game.  I tried to take out a few guards, but somehow a local captain found me first.  I almost had him beat when I was hit and killed by another captain that was throwing fire bombs.  Four captains leveled up because of it, and I didn't.  Neat.
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Reply #32 on: October 02, 2014, 12:14:02 AM

Turns out the drama over this game is interesting too. Here's two articles about the game, and they're already gathering hate from the internet's freshly converted SoM believers.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/1/6880061/shadow-mordor-kissing-design

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/6881161/middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor-torture-terrorism

As a bonus, something that would've fit SoM like a fist in the face. Would have, becauset the games industry is already irreversibly dumb and shallow in its quest to woo the lowest common denominator.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/15/last_ringbearer/



Good lord.  It's everywhere. Facepalm

Anyway, the game.  It's a lot of fun so far.  If you don't like Assassin's Creed and the Batman Arkham series of games, you probably won't like this.  That being said, there's lots of side missions and captains to kill and the nemesis system works pretty well.  I died a few times and captains leveled up and became more difficult to kill.  They even remembered beating me earlier and, rightly, mocked me before the fight.  I had a few random orcs that killed me who then became a low level captain.  There's different ways to tackle combat.  You can brute force your way in but expect to be overwhelmed quickly.  Stealth works well and is usually your best bet.  I actually defeated the 1st warchief by shooting an exploding barrel near him and his henchman, killing all the henchmen and reducing the warchief's health to almost zero.
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Reply #33 on: October 02, 2014, 01:32:07 AM

The first link is awful, the second is pretty reasonable though.

Agree. The violence, domination, etc, in the game is brutal and mean-spirited, hard not to notice. Whether that bothers someone is another question but to me it's a turn-off. I don't mind extreme violence if it's over the top or tongue in cheek but played completely straight it does rub me the wrong way.

First link is idiotic.
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Reply #34 on: October 02, 2014, 03:06:34 AM

I wouldn't mind a protagonist who is a bit more reluctant to emulate the orcs, but...on the other hand, it's Mordor, where even the purest of spirit succumb to despair and all that.

Plus if the elf wraith is who I think it is in terms of lore (he's got to be one of Feanor's brood, I have some guesses as to which one) he's done worse shit than terrorize some orcs.

Anyway, it's a fun game. At about 3 hours of play in, it sometimes feels a bit repetitive, the open kinds of play, at least. It is very very much Assassin's Creed: Mordor, borrowing some of AC's gameplay conventions very, very directly. (Improving on them, too--I really like that you can run at stealth pretty well and plow right into an orc to take him down.)  But the Nemesis system is really the hook, and it is kind of astonishing how powerful an emotional device it really is. I had the bad luck in my first "oh, let's see how this game works" fiddling around to run into an orc who had a poison bow and that fucker has now levelled up about six or seven times on killing me--he often shows up when I'm working on something else and by the time I can close on him, I've already got a poison arrow in the face and no easy way to fight off the poison, which usually means that the other orcs I was fighting manage to take me down. Plus the game's AI has a pretty good system for giving the Nemesis orcs a kind of memory of previous encounters--the taunts they make are actually somewhat specific to your shared history with them, at least in a few cases I've seen.
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