THE FAPPENING (9/11 for Celebrity Privacy) (NSFW) (Obviously) ITT: NO TITTIES

[Mithas]

Wait, didn't someone say that Maisie Williams was in these pics? As in Arya Stark definitely underage and what the fuck would you be thinking releasing those pictures to the public Maisie Williams?

Also, yes, there's a whole lot more hullabaloo over this in the media than the whole NSA just constantly collects data on everyone and everything and nobody gives a fuck story. Snowden is freezing his tits off over in Russia going, "SHIT! I should have put some JLaw in my releases."

I thought that I had read that it wasn't actually Maisie Williams. The person looks similar, but only in some of the pictures. Mckayla Maroney was apparently under 18 when the pictures were taken, so that could be a big deal.

[angry.bob]

Wait, didn't someone say that Maisie Williams was in these pics? As in Arya Stark definitely underage and what the fuck would you be thinking releasing those pictures to the public Maisie Williams?

Also, yes, there's a whole lot more hullabaloo over this in the media than the whole NSA just constantly collects data on everyone and everything and nobody gives a fuck story. Snowden is freezing his tits off over in Russia going, "SHIT! I should have put some JLaw in my releases."

Yes, she was. However their are conflicting reports about the one picture released being a fake. I've seen the photo that was said to have been used and I could see it being believable if her face was shopped in. I haven't seen the original for a couple of obvious reasons.

I have also been amazed at the speed the Feds have reacted to this. Especially when compared to other things they should be reacting to such as state police machine gunning black folk with rubber bullets. I also don't know why anyone is shocked by this happening. It's not like this wasn't pointed out as a problem with the NSA snooping on everyone wholesale. If people don't thing that people with the ability to do so aren't collecting this sort of shit on everyone they know, those people are fools.

[Yegolev]

Most people are fools.  Wear a helmet.

[Teleku]

Also, yes, there's a whole lot more hullabaloo over this in the media than the whole NSA just constantly collects data on everyone and everything and nobody gives a fuck story. Snowden is freezing his tits off over in Russia going, "SHIT! I should have put some JLaw in my releases."

I don't want to start a politics derail, but come on, that's not even remotely true.  The Snowden thing Dominated (capital D) the media and talking heads for months.  This has been in the news less than a week.  Lets see how much media coverage its getting two weeks from now.

[jakonovski]

When I first heard of "JLaw nudes and sex video", I thought people were talking about Jude Law.

[Yegolev]

There was a picture of Jude's dick when the internet was invented back in 2003.

[Sky]

[HaemishM]

Also, yes, there's a whole lot more hullabaloo over this in the media than the whole NSA just constantly collects data on everyone and everything and nobody gives a fuck story. Snowden is freezing his tits off over in Russia going, "SHIT! I should have put some JLaw in my releases."

I don't want to start a politics derail, but come on, that's not even remotely true.  The Snowden thing Dominated (capital D) the media and talking heads for months.  This has been in the news less than a week.  Lets see how much media coverage its getting two weeks from now.

And less was done about that on a governmental level than is being done about this. There are probably going to be more prison sentences for this shit than the zero that resulted from the NSA scandal.

[Teleku]

Well, if the prime suspect hadn't jumped into the loving protective embrace of Putler, there would have been some.   

[Khaldun]

The longer clip of "who is 4chan, anyway, do we know his real name?" is hilarious.

Snowden DID put this in his releases, more or less, as has already been pointed out. He specifically noted at one point that this kind of activity is going on inside the NSA and is one of the moral hazards of having an unaccountable spy agency that has permissions to look inside anything they find interesting. Which might be one reason the feds react here--if they can pin this on some low-level sysadmin someplace it might be a blessing for them if the overall group of people involved in acquiring and circulating the images also include folks in law enforcement or the security infrastructure.

When I said I was a bit weirded out, by the way, what I meant is that almost nobody so far in this thread seems to feel any discomfort about looking at the pics other than "watch out for viruses". I'm not assuming that most of you approve of whomever for stealing them, but--well, no matter how much I wanted something, if I knew it was stolen and being offered to me pretty directly following the theft, I wouldn't buy it. A little bit out of fear of losing my money and a bigger bit because of a moral objection to doing so. (And so, believe it or not, so far I haven't looked at any of these pics.) But that conversation pretty clearly leads to a Politics derail.

[Yegolev]

The gubment (probably) isn't at fault for us seeing photoshops of fire coming out of Jennifer Lawrence's ass.  No reason to keep it quiet on that end.

[HaemishM]

When I said I was a bit weirded out, by the way, what I meant is that almost nobody so far in this thread seems to feel any discomfort about looking at the pics other than "watch out for viruses". I'm not assuming that most of you approve of whomever for stealing them, but--well, no matter how much I wanted something, if I knew it was stolen and being offered to me pretty directly following the theft, I wouldn't buy it. A little bit out of fear of losing my money and a bigger bit because of a moral objection to doing so. (And so, believe it or not, so far I haven't looked at any of these pics.) But that conversation pretty clearly leads to a Politics derail.

To add to your derail, I look at pr0n. Shocking I know. I've looked at celeb pr0n, I've looked at sex tapes like the Pam Anderson one. These women are attractive. I enjoy looking at boobies. Would I buy a DVD from some shady fuck downtown of these things? No, probably because I don't pay for pr0n anyway. However, looking at them online? Sure, I'll do that. I'm not feeling the great moral dilemma here.

It's an invasion of privacy to steal them, and hell, it probably is to seek them out and look. That doesn't mean I'm not going to do it. Maybe it's the sterility of just loading a file on my computer as opposed to visiting a seedy location downtown that makes the difference in my mind.

[Maven]

I had two thoughts running in my mind when I downloaded a Jennifer Lawrence pictorial, viewed three images, deleted the archive and paid no further heed to this Fappening:

1. An examination of the circumstances that led to these pictures' creation would be fascinating.
2. I feel guilty for doing this. It was more than curiosity. But after seeing one nude picture in which she was clearly posing in an erotic fashion, I didn't want to see anymore. I realized I respect her for her talents, not her body.

I don't know who else was involved in taking the pictures or what they were for -- but it provides an incomplete though interesting glimpse into her personal life.

[Teleku]

The longer clip of "who is 4chan, anyway, do we know his real name?" is hilarious.

Snowden DID put this in his releases, more or less, as has already been pointed out. He specifically noted at one point that this kind of activity is going on inside the NSA and is one of the moral hazards of having an unaccountable spy agency that has permissions to look inside anything they find interesting. Which might be one reason the feds react here--if they can pin this on some low-level sysadmin someplace it might be a blessing for them if the overall group of people involved in acquiring and circulating the images also include folks in law enforcement or the security infrastructure.

When I said I was a bit weirded out, by the way, what I meant is that almost nobody so far in this thread seems to feel any discomfort about looking at the pics other than "watch out for viruses". I'm not assuming that most of you approve of whomever for stealing them, but--well, no matter how much I wanted something, if I knew it was stolen and being offered to me pretty directly following the theft, I wouldn't buy it. A little bit out of fear of losing my money and a bigger bit because of a moral objection to doing so. (And so, believe it or not, so far I haven't looked at any of these pics.) But that conversation pretty clearly leads to a Politics derail.

Replace 'celeb pictures' with 'video games', and you should have your answer.  Both are 'stolen'.  Pretty sure that argument has already been done to death here, and the general view of the majority of the internet population well known.

[Samwise]

no matter how much I wanted something, if I knew it was stolen and being offered to me pretty directly following the theft, I wouldn't buy it.

But would you download a car?

[schild]

"Would you download a car" is one of my favorite things ever because the answer is obviously "Absolutely, the moment the tech is available, I'm downloading a car."

[HaemishM]

The question should never be "Would you?" but instead "WHY WOULDN'T YOU?"

[Surlyboi]

A pretty thorough breakdown of what probably went down.

An interesting aspect of information security is how periodically it collides with other industries and subcultures. With more information than ever being stored and shared online and on connected devices hacking stories are frequent and are mainstream news. This was the case yesterday as dozens of celebrities fell victim to hackers who leaked hundreds of private photographs and videos stolen from web based storage services.

The summary of the story is that a number of personal and private nude images from high profile celebrities started appearing on online image boards and forums – most notably on anon-ib, 4chan and reddit.

The first pictures were posted nearly a week ago, but didn’t get much attention since they were being ransomed (censored previews being shared in the hope somebody would purchase them). It was only after a number of intermediaries purchased the images and posted complete nudes in public forums that the story exploded.

At least a dozen celebrities were affected by the photo dumps, with over 400 individual images and videos. A list of celebrity names published anonymously, and serving as something akin to a sales brochure, suggests that over 100 have had their personal data compromised.

After this story broke I spent some time immersed in the crazy, obsessive subculture of celebrity nudes and revenge porn trying to work out what they were doing, how they were doing it and what could be learned from it.

[Lantyssa]

When I said I was a bit weirded out, by the way, what I meant is that almost nobody so far in this thread seems to feel any discomfort about looking at the pics other than "watch out for viruses".

Because this isn't in Politics.  I'm not downloading them.  I don't have any desire to lust over privately made pictures that have become public through no agency of their subject.  I don't really approve of others doing it, but it's also pretty low on my list of criminal activity as the impact of any single person looking at a nudie is minimal.

The act of releasing them though?  That's much higher.

[Merusk]

What she said.

[Khaldun]

Yeah, I agree with that as well. Well put.

And generally I have nothing against pr0n, and don't necessarily source the provenance of every single thing I ever see.

...

Is the JLaw picture really that impressive?
 

[rk47]

"Would you download a car" is one of my favorite things ever because the answer is obviously "Absolutely, the moment the tech is available, I'm downloading a car."

And a waifu.
And a bucket of KFC.

[Rendakor]

Jules and Vincent debate the morality of the fappening.

[angry.bob]

Is the JLaw picture really that impressive?
 

Some yes, some no. The one people are shopping is probably one of the worst ones. There are at least videos that had edited screenshots posted when they were trying to sell them. One of her pulling her shirt down and jiggling her girls at the camera, and two of her being very intimate with the camera operator.

[Margalis]

I'm too lazy to find this stuff and I only recognize the names of one or two people.

That's my bold moral stance!

[Typhon]

I didn't look.  They didn't get paid and I have to assume they didn't want the pics out there (although I am cynical and I think there are more than a few who took the pics thinking that they get release)

Give all that, I didn't want it to sully the truly beautiful experience of looking at naked girls.

[Cyrrex]

I think the bigger names (not those we recognize, but the ones the general public recognizes the most) have nothing to gain from this.

Jennifer Lawrence - already probably the most famous actress on the planet right now, has an Oscar and stars in whatever movies she wants to.  Nothing to gain.
Kate Upton - in the top 2 or 3 on planet earth for people we wanted to see naked.  She could have made MILLIONS off of posing naked somewhere in a professional capacity.  Big loss.
Ariana Grande - already on the rise.  Has a Nickelodeon background that made her a star and could only be hurt be nude pics.
Jeannette McCurdy - same as above.
Victoria Justice - almost same as above, but I'm not sure what she is doing lately.

[angry.bob]

Jeannette McCurdy - same as above.
Victoria Justice - almost same as above, but I'm not sure what she is doing lately.

Jeannette McCurdy hasn't had any pics leaked in this. The only two pictures I'm aware of are the couple that she sent to that basketball player she was dating. She's doing pinup style poses in them , but they're less revealing than bikini pics of her.

Victoria Justice - She left her Nick show to tour in support of her music career. This left Ariana Grande out of TV work until they put her character from that into a show with Jeannette McCurdy's character from iCarly. According to reports from cast and crew of Victoria Justice's show Victoria was a really vile person and rode Ariana constantly about her weight and lack of talent. Ariana won't talk about it and only responds to questions with "Some things are best left unsaid". Victoria Justice's music career tanked and most of her tour was cancelled due to very low sales. As near as i can tell her career is pretty much over.

I don't know this stuff from being some kind of weirdo fan by the way, I know it from looking into the shows my kids want to watch. Same thing with the illegal porn trading rings. That game from sitting on a Federal Grand Jury for 18 months. You wouldn't think there would be enough horrible illegal porn to occupy that long a stretch, but then that would make both of us wrong.

[HaemishM]

Same thing with the illegal porn trading rings. That game from sitting on a Federal Grand Jury for 18 months. You wouldn't think there would be enough horrible illegal porn to occupy that long a stretch, but then that would make both of us wrong.

Please. I have a good inkling of how much "straight/normal" pr0n is out there, as well as a tiny inkling of how much "I don't get why that's exciting" pr0n as well. I can well imagine there is a vast reservoir of even more twisted shit than I can possibly ever want to know about.

[Phildo]

I heard about Victoria Justice being a diva somewhere, too.  Not sure where, but I was aware of said Nickelodeon gossip.  So don't feel bad about that, Bob.

[Hoax]

Counterpoint:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/know-your-beef-ariana-grande-vs-jennette-mccurdy-vs-andre-drummond/

 

[HaemishM]

Not having heard of either of these young women, I sought out their "music" on Spotify. I'm so so sorry I did. I sometimes forget this is what passes for mainstream pop these days and it's fuckawful.

[Phildo]

Pff, old man.  I like some of Arianna Grande's music a lot.  Problem is the one I have a problem with, oddly enough.

[Merusk]

Not having heard of either of these young women, I sought out their "music" on Spotify. I'm so so sorry I did. I sometimes forget this is what passes for mainstream pop these days and it's fuckawful.

It's Disney Channel/ Nickelodeon pop. Much like Rebecca Black it's not about the talent, it's about having a great PR firm and the money to shovel your crap everywhere. Bonus if they are recognized for a popular tween TV show. 

Both content creators realized radio was dying 7ish years ago and that digital sales were driven by awareness of the brand, not the quality of the music. All the Disney/ Nick female starts for that time frame have had at least one album shoved out there to see how well it does. If it sells they get more.

[jgsugden]

These women say they took these pictures with the expectation that they would not be public.  They say they do not want them to be public now.  A pretty simple rule seems to cover it: If she says no, respect it - always.

Putting aside legalities, viewing these photos is disrespectful and discourteous to these women.  It'd be a nicer world if more people were willing to put courtesy and respect higher on their priorities.