NFL 2014

[Paelos]

Honestly, for the amount of inane shit people judge on this board, I don't really care if you think it's right to judge him in this case.

He's not going to get another job in the NFL. It doesn't matter if you think he deserves a shot or not, or if I think he doesn't.

Oh and just for random stuff that's being said by Martin, he blames the schools:

"I mostly blame the soft schools I went to. … I used to get verbally bullied every day in middle school and high school, by kids that are half my size. I would never fight back, just get sad & feel like no one wanted to be my friend, when in fact I was just being socially awkward. Most people in that situation are witty & quick with sarcastic replies, I never have been. I'm awkward around people a lot of the time because I simply don't know how to act around them."

[HaemishM]

Clearly, you have never been bullied. You don't feel like there is anyone to talk to. You tell someone in authority but unless that person has the ability to watch you 24/7 OR remove the bully from your sphere, you know that will only make the bulllying worse - and that's in a situation where the authority figure might be neutral at worse. In this situation, he couldn't tell other players because they all SAW it happening (and many aided it), he couldn't tell his position coach or assistant position coach - they were helping the bullying AND possibly encouraging the bullies by turning a blind eye to the "fine book." So if your immediate boss in the organization is heaping on that shit and you go above his head, you figure that not only will nothing happen to the bullies, but your O-Line coach will probably shit all over you MORE after that. And if you go above their heads (GM or NFL), then you have even more potential for the shit to rain on your head from multiple levels of douche because really, you aren't sure any authority will care and if they do, you don't figure they'll remove the bully from the situation anyway so it'll get worse if they get in trouble.

When you are bullied, all you want is to lay low, to not draw more attention than you are already getting. Yes, we all know that feeds the bullies and gives them more power but you'd rather just NOT take a chance that shit will get worse.

Paelos you are blaming the victim, which absolves the bully of some guilt - you do realize most bullies don't stop just because they got in trouble, right? No, they find a way to make it worse.

And Ghambit... you are just fucking nuts. Stay in Florida.

[Paelos]

I'm blaming everyone. That sticks in people's craw, so be it. Nobody should get out of this with a job, but I guarantee you that the coaches and other players will get one over Martin.

The NFL isn't pretty about it's biases, yet we watch it in record numbers. We can be horrified by this, and then dismiss it as isolated and just move on and get all jacked up about the draft. Because we're all whores for this stuff. I'm not so sure it's as isolated as we need it to be to mentally enjoy the game. What I am sure of is that the leadership on other teams is better than Miami.

[Merusk]

You know why they don't tell someone? Because fuckheads like you will find something they did wrong and harp on that instead of putting the blame where it actually belongs. Not a single victim in the world has acted perfectly in their victimization, so there is always something for a victim-blamer to latch onto and be all "You did it wrong" and "You sort of asked for it" and when you're already in a terrible place because of shit that happened to you, that is the last fucking thing you need to hear. Better to just not tell anyone (ESPECIALLY if one of the people you should be able to tell is 100% on board with what's going on), get yourself away from the situation if you can, and bury that shit deep, because then at least the only person blaming you for the shit you've been through is you, instead of random dipshits acting like they're entitled to judge you.

People do this because they enjoy being the bully. They've been it someplace before and continuing to allow victim blaming means they get to continue being the bully elsewhere.   Because it's the fault of THEIR victim, too.

[Paelos]

The NFL had another bad PR weekend with these stories:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/14/justice/california-nfl-darren-sharper-case/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-02-16/sports/bal-ravens-running-back-ray-rice-arrested-after-incident-in-atlantic-city-20140216_1_ray-rice-chad-steele-ravens

Sharper's being charged with drugging and raping victims, and Ray Rice is supposedly on camera in a casino knocking his lady around.

[Chimpy]

But she had it coming, right?

[Paelos]

Predictable.

[Goumindong]

Predictable.

Yes you are.

I mean shit, you're using the results of the bullying (he skipped practices) to justify the bullying! How could you ever know if he was capable of playing professional football if you don't ever treat him like a professional?

[Paelos]

I didn't say that at all, but that hadn't stopped anyone from trying to put words in my mouth.

Face it. You're not going to change my mind on this. And no, i don't equate an NFL players mental abuse with a rape victim.

[ghost]

You have to wonder, what with all of the gay slurs directed at Martin and the resultant actions by Martin, if he really is gay.  If so, coming out may actually help to resolve things for him.  I can't imagine what that would be like, having 50 plus roided up assholes fucking with you because you were gay. 

[Paelos]

It's been speculated, but if he was actually gay, and they could prove that was the reason for his bullying? His lawsuit would be worth so much the NFL would pay him 10s of millions to go away.

[ghost]

Can't you imagine that such torment would be so debilitating that it would make any amount of money irrelevant?  I know you're a CPA, but have a soul man....

[Paelos]

Honestly, no I couldn't comprehend it. I'm not part of any minority group that's ever been discriminated against, and I wouldn't presume to understand their struggles.

I do understand punishing those that are guilty, and the team is guilty of ruining this kid's professional career. They should have to pay up for that, and if the reason was because of his sexual preference, the damages should be so high the NFL should choke on them.

Sports used to be about breaking barriers before the rest of society. Baseball broke the color barrier. Title IX broke the gender barrier. And now the NFL is on the cusp of breaking the homosexual barrier on professional sports. But they've lagged on this one way behind regular society, and they aren't the only league to do that. It's frankly shameful that what used to be a progressive part of our society is now the most backward.

[ghost]

The NFL is a "manly" sport.  And a lot of these guys are largely uneducated, roided up jerks that are just looking to pick on someone.  Incognito seems to me to sport some serious narcissistic personality disorder type symptoms.   He can be very charming to the people he wants to charm and has charisma, but is, in the end, a selfish dick that cares only about himself.  That guy can be quite disarming to a locker room.

Something I find rather odd about this situation is that nobody from the Dolphins has stuck up for Martin.  Maybe there is some sort of gag order from up top, but you'd think the team would tell them to keep their mouths shut about Incognito as well. 

[Paelos]

They've in fact gone far the other way and defended Incognito. Which is disturbing in and of itself. Plus you add in the coaches and everything, it's just a complete fuckup. The entire organization should be purged. The leadership there is non-existent.

[ghost]

Richie Incognito is the very definition of asshole.  Generally those guys make good football players though because they have no problem trying to kill someone. 

Football is, at its heart, a very flawed sport.  It encourages gladiatorial type behavior and that is a bit disturbing, and often makes me rethink my love of college football.  I could give a shit about pro football, although I will watch it from time to time. Throw in unfettered roid use on top of the already aggressive and jerky personality types and I bet it is a real shithole to work in.

[Rasix]

Intermission:



OK, carry on.

[Paelos]

That should go in cute pictures!

I'm going to keep watching football until they give me reason to stop on the field. The off the field stuff will never resonate with fans as much as the on the field stuff. That's just the way it goes with entertainment at pretty much any level. We're forgiving of, or even glorify, awful decisions by celebrities who are complete assholes because they can sing, or dance, or kick a ball.

The thing that will make me stop watching the NFL is if they continue to ignore the defensive side of the game. Luckily Seattle won this year and put another notch on my side of defense being more important than the offensive ridiculousness we saw this year, rules be damned.

[ghost]

Just because you're a mod you think you can drop a platypus gif anywhere you'd like....

 


This is super important sports talk. 

[Phildo]

[sickrubik]

The FUCK.

Browns nearly traded with 49ers for Jim Harbaugh

[Trippy]

[Paelos]

Dammit, I wish that would have happened. The gnashing of teeth. The factory of sadness. The Temper Tantrum Totality!

[WayAbvPar]

The FUCK.

Browns nearly traded with 49ers for Jim Harbaugh

I wouldn't wish that whiny fuck on poor Cleveland. They have been through enough. If it meant the 49ers would bring back Mike Singletary I would be all over it though 

[naum]

The FUCK.

Browns nearly traded with 49ers for Jim Harbaugh

I wouldn't wish that whiny fuck on poor Cleveland. They have been through enough. If it meant the 49ers would bring back Mike Singletary I would be all over it though 

Wut?

[Sjofn]

I dunno if I'd be slinging "that guy is an ass" stones if my head coach was fuckin' Pete Carroll.

[WayAbvPar]

I am on record as hating Pete Carroll. His used care salesman personality rubs me exactly the wrong way, and the way he left USC just ahead of the NCAA posse (and then taking Jim Mora's job) was disgusting. I will give him credit for having a vision for his player type and building a team around it. I can respect the job he did while still thinking he is a douche. Winning a Super Bowl buys him a little leeway too 

[Ingmar]

Yeah as far as we know Harbaugh isn't a 9/11 truther. Although I would certainly hate him if he coached for another team. And have in the past.  

[Tannhauser]

But Harbaugh HAS pre-ordered five copies of The Elder Scrolls Online.

[WayAbvPar]

Being able to grief him somehow would be the only way I would ever buy that steaming pile 

[Cyrrex]

Decided to put this in the NFL thread rather than the Religion thread, because I am thinking that everyone will agree that this guy is a moron, regardless of his beliefs

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/former-san-diego-state-rb-adam-muema-left-015201705--ncaaf.html

TL;DR version is this: dude skips the NFL combine because God told him to go home and relax and that the Seahawks are definitely going to draft him.  I am thinking that he pretty much just guaranteed that the Seahawks most definitely will NOT draft him now.  Even if they were in the market for a Running Back, which probably isn't too high on their list.

[K9]

The guy claims that god speaks to him through numbers, and he's facebook friends with someone claiming to be the second coming of Christ. There are so many red flag all over this I can't see any team rushing to touch him.

Also, the kid may be schizophrenic.

His instagram account contains some pretty eccentric stuff...

[Hoax]

 

Looks like every instagram account ever to me. A little bit more jesus and less Arianna Grande I guess than usual.

[HaemishM]

That's some good Old Testament crazy there. 

[sickrubik]

While most players are into getting stoned, he's more interested in players getting stoned.