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on: August 29, 2013, 08:16:12 AM

I stopped reading comics around 1991.  I was in college and had too much on my plate (and pretty much no income), so I cut them out.  I've stayed 'up to date' on my favorites, mostly Marvel, via message boards, (and occasional hardcover); but I've recently thought it might be fun to go back and start catching up on 20+ years of comics during my train commute.

Marvel Unlimited, at first blush, seems like a golden opportunity.  However, I can't find many reviews that really cover the situation from my perspective.  Most reviews focus on the lack of coverage from the past 6 months, not the coverage from the past 20 years.  If I wanted to sit down and start reading the July 1991 releases and move on month by month through all of the titles I used to read (and special events), would I be frustrated by the gaps?  Or would they mostly be there?  In many of the titles in the catalogue it looks like there are gaps between 2004 and 2007... was that just a retitling thing or are there actual gaps?

Thanks in advance for any insights...

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Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 10:19:45 AM

I've just started the subscription. I'm not entirely sure about pre-2000 but I know I haven't seen any significant gaps post-2000 in the X-Men coverage. The biggest worry would be about 1) one-shots and minis and 2) figuring out which book to read next when the big fucking crossover events come up. So far, I've gone through about 2-3 years worth of X-Men stuff without missing anything significant.

The UI on the tablet app is ass, however. It's a real pain to add issues because rather than a button that says "Add all issues of this series to my library" you have to add EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE, one by one. Even when you download them for offline reading (up to 12 available for offline now), sometimes the app forgets you've downloaded them or that you are an unlimited user and you can read more than a 2-page preview. Most of the time you can fix it by deleting it from your library and re-adding it. Also, there's no way to set your reading preference so you have to change it every time you start a new issue.

But for sheer numbers of books, it's worth it.

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Reply #2 on: April 30, 2014, 01:49:46 PM

The app was recently updated and while it's still lacking a number of QOL features that just boggle my mind (such as the ability to return to the place in the book where you left off with one click, or decent sorting of your library or always working), it is a MUCH improved reading experience. It doesn't require you to switch between 1-page/2-page/smart panel reading and actually seems to make more sense in the way it displays the page. It still doesn't handle 2-page spreads well, even in landscape mode (text is too small). Table of contents is now handled via a thumbnail gallery. They've added some "Augemented Reality" features, which means on some panels there is a little AR icon that you can click on to get audio and video extra content, though its value is dubious.

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Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 11:33:35 AM

I was about to buy a trade paperback and instead figured I would get this for a month or two. I'm reading sooo many comics this summer. It's an awesome deal.

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Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 11:40:44 AM

I'll pile on. I last read comics in 1985 and last month picked up a sub and have read a ludicrous amount. The older comics don't seem to be quite framed correctly for panel view, but the new ones are fine.

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Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 12:16:21 PM

How are you guys finding going back to brightly colored 32 page booklets mostly comprised of pictures in your adult years? 
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Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 03:01:01 PM

Pretty fun!

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Reply #7 on: June 25, 2014, 04:53:23 PM

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Reply #8 on: June 25, 2014, 04:56:13 PM

I'm finding that the Claremont stories are as good as I remembered (which is good).
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Reply #9 on: June 25, 2014, 05:00:06 PM

Though Jesus wept, he's wordy as hell even before his particular obsessions (mind-control, BDSM-ish stuff, etc.) really become a drag on his writing.
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Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 09:53:15 AM

I've found that Claremont's wordiness is kind of a symptom of comics made before the Image glut - writers just wrote a shitload of words. Now there are some that were worse than others - Bill Mantlo was REALLY REALLY wordy though Claremont could go toe to toe with him.

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Reply #11 on: September 15, 2014, 03:16:10 AM

I just relogged into my marvel unlimted app.  They've finally added the option to read the next comic in the series.  Huge usability enhancement - one they should have had from day one, but better late than never.

 (On the ipad at least)
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Reply #12 on: July 03, 2015, 05:04:02 PM

I command this thread to arise.

I need help. I haven't read marvel comics since the late 80s. I need suggestions on series to read and hopefully I can get some advice on what to avoid. Mainly, I need a starting point. I've been searching Marvel Unlimited for a place to start but there is so much that it is just dizzying.

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Reply #13 on: July 03, 2015, 05:30:54 PM

That hasn't been helped by the fact that every series has had multiple restarts in the last few years. They have decided not to have long-running series, but short series that restart with a new volume every few years.

Search for characters/teams you like. I'd recommend all of the Daredevil stuff from Mark Waid, it is the tits. There have been 2 series, both called Daredevil and I think the first one started around 2011. Both of the recent Iron Fist series have been good. The new Ms. Marvel is good, as is both series of Captain Marvel's that are available from recent (Carol Danvers that is, not the Kree guy). Jason Aaron's first Wolverine & the X-Men series was top notch (it's the first series of 26 issues, not the newest one - the newest one is scatterbrained and really inferior). The Inhuman series that started last year is good. The newest Moon Knight series is really good but bizarre. The last few Hulk series have been very weird and I wouldn't necessarily recommend them. Indestructible Hulk started well but just went spergy later on (ironically by Mark Waid). The latest X-Factor is good. I loved Rick Remender's work on X-Force as well as his Uncanny Avengers run but it's not for everyone. I also liked Remender's latest Captain America work that led into the Falcon taking the Captain America mantle but again - it's not for everyone.

Generally avoid any-fucking-thing by Brian Michael Bendis.  why so serious? Also avoid anything by Johnathan Hickman (which is unfortunate as he's done a long run on both Fantastic Four and 2 Avengers books recently leading into the Secret Wars stuff that isn't available on Unlimited yet). In fact, avoid anything Fantastic Four after Civil War because it's all been routinely awful in one way or another (the last good run on FF was Mark Waid's about a decade ago).

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Reply #14 on: July 03, 2015, 06:18:24 PM

That was just the sort of information I was looking for. It is much appreciate good sir.

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Reply #15 on: July 03, 2015, 06:22:46 PM

I heard the Bendis run on Daredevil was good, but I have no experience with it yet.
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Reply #16 on: July 03, 2015, 06:39:35 PM

Actually yes, the Bendis run on Daredevil was excellent. As was the Ed Brubaker run which followed it. And to be honest, the first half of the Matt Fraction run was great. It's only about the time that Shadowgrounds (?) Shadowlands, whatever the fuck that mini was - when that came out, the run got fucking stupid as shit. The second half of the Fraction run was just really heavy, depressing shit that took its cues from the "beat the shit out of your main character" school of writing. That's why the Waid run was so refreshing. It took all the stupid shit that Fraction run had and accepted it, then moved the fuck on and got back to some light-hearted fun. Which made its own descent into drama work so much better because it wasn't just one monotone wall of grimness, and the art matches the tone so perfectly. I think the Waid run is the best treatment of the character since Miller's second run, precisely because Bendis/Brubaker/Fraction were basically the same tone as the Miller stuff while Waid was something different.

TLDR, the Bendis/Brubaker run on Daredevil is very similar to the tone of the TV show.

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Reply #17 on: July 03, 2015, 09:11:51 PM

This is a bit out there, but I picked up a hardcopy marvel book at the local Newsagents called "The ultimate Graphic Novels Collection 56: Thinderbolts: Faith In Monsters" It was a collection of The Thunderbolts Series from #110 to #115, By Warren Ellis and art by Mike Deodato. Set during the Civil War Period.

Absolutely fucking fantastic. Check out those issues if you can find them online. The scenes of Venom going berserk is worth the price of admission alone.
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Reply #18 on: July 04, 2015, 12:28:56 AM

Find and read the Annihilation War event stuff. It ran concurrently with Civil War and was a really good demonstration of how to do a big Summer Event crossover extravaganza and basically just told the main MU to suck it because Cosmic is awesome. How Marvel managed to simultaneously put out one of their best and worst crossover events simultaneously still confuses me.

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Reply #19 on: July 04, 2015, 05:03:19 AM

All the Annihilation War stuff, yes, and the two ongoings that came out of it (Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy). Great. Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest, War of Kings. Everything Abnett and Lanning wrote for "cosmic Marvel" really except the miniseries that closed out that era (Annihilators).

Planet Hulk was good and World War Hulk was a good crossover, and the Hercules stuff that came out of it was great--Hercules took over the Hulk's own title and then had his own for a while.

Ellis on Thunderbolts was really great.

I enjoyed the entire run of Avengers Academy--very old-school comic-book storytelling in a good way.

If you want to go back into the 1990s and early 2000s the entire run of Busiek & Perez' Avengers was great. I liked Vaughn's run on Runaways, but stop right when he leaves the book. Whedon's Astonishing X-Men is fun as long as you're not allergic to Whedon. The Ellis run that follows is ok.

Ellis' 12-issue miniseries Nextwave is required reading. Possibly my favorite Marvel comic in the last ten years.

Jason Aaron had an interesting run on Ghost Rider that reads a bit like that angel-war series on Syfy.

Wieringo and Waid's Fantastic Four run is decent. They had one genius story about Doctor Doom that then became more mediocre as it went on. The first one, where Doom tracks down his childhood girlfriend, is really great.

First twenty issues of the original Thunderbolts is a good read.

Garth Ennis' Punisher--go back to Welcome Back, Frank and then read the MAX series.

Peter David on X-Factor and Hulk are pretty good.

Len Kaminiski's Iron Man run is underappreciated--a lot of concepts there that have carried over and defined the character since.

Ed Brubaker's entire Captain America run is great. I don't even like the character much and I love it.

I like Remender's Uncanny X-Force--there's a consistency of tone and theme that works for me.

Read the cute little Thor: The Mighty Avenger, which was a fun "alternate" Thor that was somewhat kid-friendly. Very gentle, sweet but some smart ideas about how to rethink the character that track with the movies in interesting ways.

Jeff Parker's Agents of Atlas was great. Also read his stuff in the kid-friendly Marvel Adventures, which has some hilarious adult-enjoyable stories. (All the Avengers get turned into Modoks; Ego the Living Planet tries to sexually harass the planet Earth).

Bendis' work on the MAX imprint Alias was great (this is the backstory to Jessica Jones, who will be one of the Netflix characters).







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Reply #20 on: July 04, 2015, 08:12:27 AM

My list is growing quite extensively.

Now if I could just find my favorite comic in digital format. The Badger, I used to have all of them but they got tossed by a vindictive family member years ago when I was moving between states once. Not Marvel unfortunately.

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Reply #21 on: July 04, 2015, 09:58:56 AM

Two more recommendations.

The Guardians of the Galaxy, specifically the stuff by Abnett and Lanning. The current book is written by Bendis and is good but not as good as the other two series. Also, the new Nova series is really good.

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Reply #22 on: July 04, 2015, 10:29:52 AM

I didn't want to read it because I have a long-developed soft spot for Nova and it's Jeph Loeb, which felt to me like Defcon 2 on the "Raping of Childhood" alert system.

I do know I don't like the Bendis Guardians because it's so utterly uninterested in the vibe of the Abnett and Lanning Guardians, which I thought was a great book.

Finding Badger is going to be really hard. At least some of Baron's old Nexus issues have had trade republications but I don't think Badger ever did.
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Reply #23 on: July 04, 2015, 10:37:53 AM

Actually, Loeb was only on it for a little while (5 issues). It's Gerry Duggan now and even the Loeb stuff was good. 

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Reply #24 on: July 07, 2015, 05:09:20 AM

Whedon's Astonishing X-Men is fun as long as you're not allergic to Whedon. The Ellis run that follows is ok.

Just want to echo this.

Also, Grant Morrison's New X-Men (from 2001 on) is really good, although it doesn't really fit in with anything that went before or after (just treat it like a standalone story and don't worry about continuity).

The Civil War mini series is a good read (stick to the Civil War mini series and not the 2,500 spin-off books). I think it divides opinion and you may turn out to be one of those people who hates it but you'll still be glad you read it, if that makes sense:)

I think The Ultimates is on Unlimited. This is a new version of the Avengers set in a different universe. Don't worry about continuity at all, just give it a go and it's a really good story. The Ultimates volume 1 is good and The Ultimates volume 2 is good and then you can safely stop reading.
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Reply #25 on: July 07, 2015, 07:44:22 AM

Also, Grant Morrison's New X-Men (from 2001 on) is really good, although it doesn't really fit in with anything that went before or after (just treat it like a standalone story and don't worry about continuity).

Actually, the changes in that series did have a lasting effect. The transformation Beast had physically has continued on afterwards, Jean Grey's resolution and the romance with Cyclops and Emma Frost has stuck, the villains Danger and Cassanova have been used again, Genosha's destruction has a huge effect and Fantomex and the whole Weapon X project stuff is still being used. It may actually have been the most influential X-Men stuff since Claremont left.

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The Civil War mini series is a good read (stick to the Civil War mini series and not the 2,500 spin-off books). I think it divides opinion and you may turn out to be one of those people who hates it but you'll still be glad you read it, if that makes sense:)

This is terrible advice and you should feel bad about having given it. Civil War is fucking awful from conception to execution.

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Reply #26 on: July 07, 2015, 09:03:21 AM


This is terrible advice and you should feel bad about having given it. Civil War is fucking awful from conception to execution.

Everyone should read this book to discover what could be provoking such a strong reaction.

Seriously though, I liked it. It's possible I was the only person who did.
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Reply #27 on: July 07, 2015, 09:34:49 AM

I do not understand how you could like it. It's fucking awful from start to finish. Even the basic premise, which pretty much goes against like 35 years of continuity, is a fucking disaster.

I ignored the advice of Khaldun about Ultimates. I'd read the first 2 volumes, which were good, but I'd never gone further. I did that this morning while waiting for someone to finish some work so I could finish my work. I read Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

Fuck me. That was goodamn awful. Worse than Civil War could ever hope to be. What in the fuck were they thinking? Even if it had been done as a way to destroy the Ultimate Universe (which it didn't), it was grimdark shit. Blob eating Wasp? All the unnecessary headsplosions? Just... fuck me, that was terrible.

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Reply #28 on: July 07, 2015, 11:33:55 AM

It really is the worst.

I can actually see reading the main Civil War mini, not the cross-overs. I actually think the basic idea of the series is a decent one (and this isn't the only time the Big Two companies have messed around with the notion that modern governments would eventually draw the line about unregulated superhumans battling it out in the streets, it's a reasonably common theme.)

The problems really aren't about the basic narrative. In fact, I think Marvel played that out pretty well (without necessarily planning to) over the sequence from Civil War to The Heroic Age. If you map that out like a five-act drama, it goes kind of like this:

Civil War: some superheroes decide the government is right, partly because of popular anger, and agree to register; others take the (really quite American) view that governments aren't trustworthy enough to decide what to do with the kind of power that superhumans wield, that only free and ethical individuals can be the proper custodians of that power. They fight. The pro-registration guys kind of win, but quietly agree to sort of leave the anti-registration guys alone as long as they keep it quiet and stay out of the way.

The Initiative and Secret Invasion: the ascension of the national security logic of the pro-registration interests in government pretty much leads to exactly what the anti-registration guys said it would...

Dark Reign to Siege: And now the government is more or less in the hands of actively bad people without any safeguards or rights, leading to predictable bad outcomes

The Heroic Age: Ok, the pro-reg guys agree that the anti-reg guys were right; even the public sees the folly in trying to control and regulate metahumans as if they were a militia or police force.

It's sort of important that the overall arc of the story ends on that last note, because the concept of the superhero absolutely requires that sense of independence. You can see it in the MCU, too--at some point you cannot explain why people wear costumes and fight villains if you insist that they're regimented, highly trained soldiers under the command of governments without succumbing to cynicism or being dumb-patriotic.

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Which is what ultimately made the *actual* Civil War series so bad--Millar is both cynical and post-9/11 was also playacting at being dumb-patriotic. He doesn't really like the basic concept of the superhero. So as it was written, Civil War is actually kind of pro-registration. Most people saw Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Hank Pym as douchnozzles but I think Millar was seeing them as resolute men who-do-what-they-have-to, kind of the Dick Cheney theory of torture, an idea that there's bravery in doing "the hard thing". So familiar characters were badly wrenched out of shape in order to fit Millar's construction of the story, with lasting damage to them and the Marvel universe as a whole. Then there were the particular asshole beats of the story--Clone Thor, Black Goliath, etc., and finally Captain America's dumb surrender in the final issue.

So it was bad, yeah. But I don't think the basic idea had to be bad.
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Reply #29 on: July 07, 2015, 12:24:18 PM

Oh no, the basic concept of superhero registration and the tensions that would create was a good idea. It was just cocked up so bad by really really shitty writing that demanded characters be completely changed to fit the narrative rather than the other way around. And it negatively impacted the Marvel Universe because we're still dealing with the consequences - Reed Richards is still a dangerous unthinking twat who just invents shit because he can, Tony Stark is still an asshole and for some reason Captain America still keeps trusting him even though Stark lies to him every time he can. And don't even get me started on this fakakta Illuminati shit that has infested the whole line.

Marvel's biggest problem is that many of its big-name creators really fucking hate the concept of the superhero as a whole. Bendis and Millar are the two biggest offenders, IMO. As a result, a lot of the Marvel universe over the last decade has been story after story about superheroes fighting each other and supervillains are treated as fucking jokes.

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Reply #30 on: July 08, 2015, 12:22:27 AM

We've gone over in depth all the myriad reasons why Civil War sucks so I won't rehash any of that. I also disagree with the mention of World War Hulk being any good. As far as recommendations go:

Priest's Black Panther (1998-2003) run is on there although it's inexplicably missing issue #22. There's also his seven issues of the Crew.

Brubaker's run on Cap (2004-2011) is solid aside from some stupid shit in order to bring him back from his "death" in Civil War.

The Ares mini-series is a little rough in spot's in both story and art, but it's a quick and fun read.

First two volumes of Runaways.

Milligan and Allread's X-Force. Technically the last 15 or so issues of the first volume, although it has no real connection to X-Force (or really much of anything in the Marvel U).

Fraction's Hawkeye is all available now except the final issue I think.

Marv Wolman's Tomb of Dracula from the 70's.

G.L.A. and G.L.X.-Mas. Dan Slott does humor really well and there's surprisingly a bit of heart to it as well. Also features Squirrel Girl prominently.

Earth X (maybe skip Universe X and Paradise X). Not X-men related despite the name. More like What if the Marvel Universe was one surprisingly cohesive story.

Superior Spider-man and Superior Foes of Spider-man. Don't read the last two issues of Superior Spider-man as those actually take place later as part of Spiderverse. On the plus side, I think all of Spiderverse is available on Unlimited now.

Busiek's Avengers Forever (his run on Avengers was good also, but I haven't checked to see if it's on there, and tragically the entirety of the first vol. of Thunderbolts appears to be missing).

New Mutants (2003-2004) which leads into New X-Men (2004-2008) as well as an annual and a Hellions special.

Punisher: The End, and Punisher: The Cell one-shots by Ennis. Had a couple good runs on actual Punisher series as well, but these are nice quick reads with no continuity.

They really need Blaze of Glory: Last Ride of the Western Heroes on Unlimited. Sadly there isn't even a blank page for it. I'm also not sure what they have against West Coast Avengers.





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Reply #31 on: July 08, 2015, 04:48:01 AM

Earth-X I felt kind of mixed about, but it's worth a read.

Milligan and Allread's X-Force for sure. The issue where Doop is in Wolverine and the X-Men is a hilarious follow-up.

I was surprised at how much I liked Superior Spider-Man (and Superior Foes, which is even better).

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Reply #32 on: July 08, 2015, 10:03:45 AM

On the plus side, I think all of Spiderverse is available on Unlimited now.

It isn't. I think we're about 1-2 months away from all of it being on there. I'm not a Spider-Man fan, but I have enjoyed the side books of the Spiderverse stuff. Scarlet Spiders and Spider-Woman in particular are good. The main Spiderverse story is decent (especially nods to things like Spider-Ham and Animated 60's Spider-Man) but there's too much "bunch of super-heroes standing around waiting for shit to happen" writing that reminds me of the worst of Bendis' Avengers run.

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Reply #33 on: July 08, 2015, 10:17:48 AM

By the way, I'm surprised at how much I'm liking the current Secret Wars stuff. Marvel writers seem to be having fun with the side books, and actually the main story is somewhat fascinating. Good work is being done with Doom in particular.
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Reply #34 on: July 09, 2015, 04:03:50 PM

By the way, I'm surprised at how much I'm liking the current Secret Wars stuff. Marvel writers seem to be having fun with the side books, and actually the main story is somewhat fascinating. Good work is being done with Doom in particular.

I'm enjoying a ton of the side books, and the main series has been surprisingly good aside from the first issue. We'll see if that sticks though or if it will devolve into the usual stuff I don't like about a lot of Hickman's writing.
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