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Reply #490 on: March 02, 2014, 01:31:55 AM

Still has all the other problems that made it really boring.

Yeah.  Finished my 'New' Barb playthrough with the wife and, frankly struggling to see why I should continue playing.  I have zero investment in the character, which I think is now the Main problem now that the AH and Loot stuff is out of there.

Shame.

(But I'll do something I wouldn't do before and recommend all to actually patch and give it a try.  It's much more fun.  I'll also agree that if I were Blizz, I'd have put the adventure mode into the patch...)

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Reply #491 on: March 02, 2014, 06:22:39 AM

Thanks, all, for the help and pointers to other help.

I assume that when the expansion comes in, there will be more better level 61 loot to get, so there's no point in playing through subsequent to the first playthrough?

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Reply #492 on: March 02, 2014, 08:43:38 AM

Some boat as you Ironwood. Finished a playthrough... lost interest again. Will plau through Act 5 on a character or two, but I am amazed at how un-sticky this game is.

When I pick it up and start playing it's great fun. And then suddenly it isn't.

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Reply #493 on: March 02, 2014, 08:46:36 AM

I think it's pretty fun. It's a nice time killer to just turn off the brain and mash some monsters.

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Reply #494 on: March 02, 2014, 08:54:14 AM

I think it's pretty fun. It's a nice time killer to just turn off the brain and mash some monsters.

This, pretty much -- it's simple and fun critter splatting and loot grabbing.  Now the loot is much, much more useful, which is a big plus.

I started a new Wizard on Expert difficulty and am approaching the end of Act I and am level 27, just cranking along.  Things get hairy from time to time, but pretty much the only times I'm dying are when I'm being careless and not respecting scarier critters.  Getting a reasonable mix of rare and legendary stuff that's working well.
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Reply #495 on: March 02, 2014, 08:56:12 AM

I just loaded up my old Barb to find that my new Barb has the exact same skills except for Cleave instead of Frenzy. 

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Reply #496 on: March 02, 2014, 10:11:37 AM

The game play is decent, but the story keeps getting in the way of the fun.
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Reply #497 on: March 02, 2014, 10:37:56 AM

The game play is decent, but the story keeps getting in the way of the fun.

How? I mean, I agree that it is terrible, but you can turn off cut scenes and ESC through everything. How is it "in the way" in any significant way?

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Reply #498 on: March 02, 2014, 10:44:01 AM

story?
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Reply #499 on: March 02, 2014, 10:49:40 AM

How? I mean, I agree that it is terrible, but you can turn off cut scenes and ESC through everything. How is it "in the way" in any significant way?

This is extremely annoying. The gameplay is interrupted by dialogue every 3-4 minutes. Their original plan was to let people play randomized new dungeons for free (Nephalem Rifts) with this patch and I'm disappointed that they decided to put it behind a paywall instead. I can't decide whether to preorder the expansion at this point. I'm not really interested in Act 5 unless it's dramatically different than Acts 1-4. They've said it's much more randomized, and hopefully they won't have such a hard-on for ramming their shitty story down our throats, but who knows.
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Reply #500 on: March 02, 2014, 11:14:13 AM

and hopefully they won't have such a hard-on for ramming their shitty story down our throats, but who knows.

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Reply #501 on: March 02, 2014, 11:17:19 AM

How? I mean, I agree that it is terrible, but you can turn off cut scenes and ESC through everything. How is it "in the way" in any significant way?

This is extremely annoying. The gameplay is interrupted by dialogue every 3-4 minutes. Their original plan was to let people play randomized new dungeons for free (Nephalem Rifts) with this patch and I'm disappointed that they decided to put it behind a paywall instead. I can't decide whether to preorder the expansion at this point. I'm not really interested in Act 5 unless it's dramatically different than Acts 1-4. They've said it's much more randomized, and hopefully they won't have such a hard-on for ramming their shitty story down our throats, but who knows.
Act 5 is mostly in a city or at least what you can play in the beta. And lots of little tiny instances appear because building entrances open up. It's, I suppose, more randomized.
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Reply #502 on: March 02, 2014, 11:45:44 AM

That doesn't grab me...

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Reply #503 on: March 02, 2014, 03:20:39 PM

The game play is decent, but the story keeps getting in the way of the fun.

How? I mean, I agree that it is terrible, but you can turn off cut scenes and ESC through everything. How is it "in the way" in any significant way?

I don't have much freedom of movement, especially in act I.  I have to go through and trigger all the steps to get through gates, and that gets really annoying.

Get back to town.  Space through old man's story.  Space through Diablo in hiding's story.  Then I can finally go back to that area and do stuff so I can space through more crap.
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Reply #504 on: March 02, 2014, 03:44:51 PM

People bitched about the AH and it got removed. People bitched about the story and they let you skip it. People bitched about not enough game modes, and they added those. People bitched about the loot, and they renovated that. People bitched that skills didn't interact with loot, and they changed that too.

Honestly, at this point I think they've got a game I enjoy playing when I want that Diablo crush the monster play. Also with paragon levels being infinite, you are back to an uncapped system with perks.

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Reply #505 on: March 02, 2014, 04:37:44 PM

I'm enjoying it.  Mostly.  I think people should give it a try, because the blowing up the monsters is much improved.

I'm pretty sure they're going to nerf ray of frost though.  It's fun, it blows up monsters, and there's nice synergies that go with it.

Clearly, they can't let that stand.
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Reply #506 on: March 02, 2014, 11:07:34 PM

I'm enjoying it.  Mostly.  I think people should give it a try, because the blowing up the monsters is much improved.

I'm pretty sure they're going to nerf ray of frost though.  It's fun, it blows up monsters, and there's nice synergies that go with it.

Clearly, they can't let that stand.

I'll have a look at the game again soon. While my old reliable was my monk, I really want to fire up the Demon Hunter and Witch Doctor again. I capped all the classes out but the dependance on RTAH and resistances meant that I only got to Act 3 on whatever the hardest mode was - then gave up when facing some arcane/prison/fuckyouwithacucumber affix pack. Get rid of the stupid random monster combos did they?

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Reply #507 on: March 03, 2014, 12:43:54 AM

Get rid of the stupid random monster combos did they?

There's less really awful combos now and most of the individual rare/elite pack abilities have been tweaked a lot. Obviously though some combinations will be particularly tough for certain builds. But of course the same things apply as before this patch - you can always skip packs and you can always retreat, choose different abilities and try the pack again with a different build.

I think that one of the great benefits of the flexible skill system is that you're not locked into one spec on a class. Changing specs before boss fights or for different areas is completely viable and a very powerful way to play.

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Reply #508 on: March 03, 2014, 01:18:00 AM

Really amazing to see how a patch can turn a game around so much. I can't think of many companies that would be willing to slay so many sacred cows, but somehow they managed it. Every person on my friends list is now playing D3 again, even those who never got very far into the launch game.

Roll on the expansion!
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Reply #509 on: March 03, 2014, 02:11:26 AM

Money talks on this one I suspect.  Look, my own personality aside, it's clear that they made some very, very, very wrongheaded and mental choices when making this game.  Most other companies wouldn't have the money or ability to change so dramatically midstream, but because they're hoping that all these addicts will drop cash on the expansion, they had to.  So many people would NOT have chosen an expansion to Diablo III that had the same basic issues that it did.

As to the expansion, I'm still hamstrung by my own personal 'Kotick gets No Money from Me' edict, so I'm kinda stuck.  I do really, really, really like the look of adventure mode (I watched a demo of someone leveling a Crusader and he was doing so entirely by adventure mode, which seemed like The Holy Grail to me.  That said, the Crusader looked like a cookie cutter Paladin from D2, so I'm not sure.

Also, it's still shitting the bed with always on connectivity - the EU had some horrendous lag spikes yesterday and I really, really, really wouldn't have liked to be running a HC character !  Further, there is the problem of character investment, though I've talked through my own views to death.

If they'd just release adventure mode for patchees only, I'd probably play this more.  As it is, I'm moving on.  Probably.

 why so serious?

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Reply #510 on: March 03, 2014, 03:47:21 AM

Going to go against the grain as I just jumped in again (hard setting).

Fuck that shit, the game is still as stupid as ever.

I don't mind hard, but to hell with random combos. This is why TL2 in all its average-ness is more fun than this crap game. I still play D2 with it's inferior graphics and it still shits over the revision.

I definitely won't be touching the xpac

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Reply #511 on: March 03, 2014, 04:06:42 AM

Combos ?  You mean mental bosses ?

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Reply #512 on: March 03, 2014, 04:18:38 AM

If you wait 6 months or a year you'll probably be able to get the xpac on sale somewhere for 10 bucks.  Heart of the Swarm is regularly available in the $10-20 range at this point.

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Reply #513 on: March 03, 2014, 04:49:51 AM

Combos ?  You mean mental bosses ?


Packs - everything I hated about the game before as I got pulled to a pack of yellows, walled, poison puddles etc.

Oh there was arcane in there somewhere too.

30 min of that shit and I just threw my hands up in disgust

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Reply #514 on: March 03, 2014, 04:59:50 AM

Well, not everybody is capable of learning how to play... why so serious?


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Reply #515 on: March 03, 2014, 06:06:06 AM

It's still kinda boring. I mean, the loot is a bit more interesting and since the game now forces legendaries to use your primary stats and throws mostly stuff for your class at you it's possible *gasp* get TO the higher difficulties without endless grinding or the AH. Progression being possible without a mindrending grind is cool, unfortunately the rest of the game is still kinda boring/plodding/slow.

I was goofing around on Torment 1 with Paleos and someone else and it was alright but I didn't really feel a compelling urge to log back in. I still fire up TL2 or PoE when I get the itch. I only played D3 again because I had reinstalled it for some reason I don't remember.

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Reply #516 on: March 03, 2014, 07:53:37 AM

I'm never going to be more than a casual player, but the lack of random adventuring plus the AH meant that after I was through the story on EZ mode, I was done. For me, this gives me a reason to play and the fact I can join a public game so easily gives me a reason to play this rather than POE. This is one place, where I'm totally in favor of the random teleport directly to the action kind of grouping.

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Reply #517 on: March 03, 2014, 07:55:57 AM

When I started my wizard back up, he had about 44k hps, and 20k dps.

He now has over 116k hps, and 63k dps.  There's still plenty to upgrade too.
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Reply #518 on: March 03, 2014, 07:58:41 AM

I was goofing around on Torment 1 with Paleos and someone else and it was alright but I didn't really feel a compelling urge to log back in. I still fire up TL2 or PoE when I get the itch. I only played D3 again because I had reinstalled it for some reason I don't remember.

It's me and my WoW buddy Maveryck. We're just dicking around trying out the different torment levels. So far he's had major upgrades to get him up to around 100k damage, but I had all my leftover crap from the trading days that's pretty hard to replace. There are some tradeoffs but I'm still a big fan of % damage to life, and don't want to give that up.

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Reply #519 on: March 03, 2014, 08:08:00 AM

I jumped into a game Paelos was running, in Torment 2 or 3, I think.  I feel I almost was contributing.   Ohhhhh, I see.

There is a huge amount of difference between Hard and Torment 2/3.
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Reply #520 on: March 03, 2014, 08:11:48 AM

We were in Torment 3 and took it down to Torment 2. It's just too hard to survive 3 atm.

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Reply #521 on: March 03, 2014, 08:18:04 AM

I completely redid my spec!  I promise I will do actual damage next time.
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Reply #522 on: March 03, 2014, 08:23:37 AM

I don't think I was doing nearly as much damage as Paelos and Maveryck, but monks just seem to be ridiculously more effective in groups because they're pretty good passive debuff/buff bots.

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Reply #523 on: March 03, 2014, 08:28:36 AM

I finished a solo playthrough on Master level on my wizard (69k damage, 68k life) and will next try Torment I on her.

I got two legendaries off Leoric in killing him two times (I reset once) - but none of the other bosses dropped legendaries. The ones I found just came off of regular mobs, maybe a couple off champions, and I got an orange crafting ingredient out of a bookcase (level 70, can't use yet).

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Reply #524 on: March 03, 2014, 09:03:42 AM

We were in Torment 3 and took it down to Torment 2. It's just too hard to survive 3 atm.

I tossed my mage in with you guys last night.  Been trying a crowd control/freeze mage and it seems well but does no damage.
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