F13 2013/2014 Fantasy Football League

[HaemishM]

JV league - #4 TE Antonio Gates for sale, looking for a top 12 WR

Trade proposal sent. Owen Daniels to the goddamn IR didn't help me.

[Segoris]

I'm still open for a trade. Its just going to take a lot to get Thomas out of my hands. Jordy Nelson and to a lesser extent AJ Green are much more likely.

Make some counter-proposals then so I can start seeing what price you're thinking for Thomas (trade sent in the mean time). Until then, I'll think about Nelson or Green.

Trade proposal sent. Owen Daniels to the goddamn IR didn't help me.

I don't like Wallace for Gates, at all. I'm trying to think of a counter-proposal now, but it won't be 1:1 Wallace for Gates. And I'll throw an offer on Welker

Edit:
I don't think I've seen a more logical and fair trade in the evaluate trade window

[Nevermore]

Since you're posting that in a public forum, I'd just like to say that in my opinion Welker is worth more than just Gates.  On the other hand, Gates is certainly worth more than just Wallace.

[Segoris]

In a vacuum I absolutely agree. In this situation though, when supply and demand are considered, it balances out a bit. Not perfectly even though, but countering with for Welker when his initial offer is Wallace should at least lead us to some middle ground.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, that's not happening. Welker is untouchable.

[sickrubik]

Welker straight up for Gates is a terrible trade. I've never relied on Yahoo's calculator. Welker's upside is far greater than Gates, and the Gates downside is far lower. Additionally, a one for one trade you want to make sure you're going to make up the difference with the new player. That ain't happening in this case. Especially given that it's his highest scoring skill position player.

Wallace for Gates is an equal trade.

[Nevermore]

I think you can get guys like Wallace right off the waiver wire depending on how deep the league is.  Disclaimer: I'm a lifelong Dolphins fan and have been terribly unimpressed with Wallace, so there's that.

[Segoris]

I think you can get guys like Wallace right off the waiver wire depending on how deep the league is.  Disclaimer: I'm a lifelong Dolphins fan and have been terribly unimpressed with Wallace, so there's that.

^this.

Welker straight up for Gates is a terrible trade. I've never relied on Yahoo's calculator. Welker's upside is far greater than Gates, and the Gates downside is far lower. Additionally, a one for one trade you want to make sure you're going to make up the difference with the new player. That ain't happening in this case. Especially given that it's his highest scoring skill position player.

Wallace for Gates is an equal trade.

Welker for Gates is slightly less shitty of a trade as Wallace for Gates, especially given the rosters. If it was one of the last 2 years I would have agreed with what you're saying though.

[sickrubik]

Wallace is owned in 90% of Yahoo Leagues, so I call BS on how probable it is you're going to be able to pick him up off waivers. He has indeed underpeformed, but the upside/value is there. You can't argue the lack of value of Wallace and then say Welker is only slightly better at the same time.

Welker: 31 receptions for 315 yards (10.1) and 7 TDs (88.00)
Wallace: 22 receptions for 281 (12.77) and 1 TD. (45.10)

In short, Wallace has big upside being a WR1, while Welker has a higher floor and a higher ceiling, making his value much higher.

Gates: 32 for 438 yards (13.68) and 4 TDs (70.80)

So, saying Wallace is closer to a better one for one than Welker says more about Welker than it does about Wallace. I might be able to agree that it may take Wallace + Something to get to Gates, but I would probably want something else to come with Gates as well.

I would in no way trade Welker staright up for Gates.

[Ingmar]

Don't forget about positional scarcity. TE doesn't look very thin to me right now but I can certainly envision situations where that trade could be fine. Getting Gates could potentially gain you more points than losing Welker does, depending on what else you've got. (I haven't looked at the actual full rosters here.)

[MrHat]

Jesus fucking christ.

 

‏@Edwerderespn
Just filed to ESPN: Despite Rob Gronkowski having another week of full practice participation, @Patriots no longer expect TE play vs Saints

Wonder if I can beat who ever is trying for Heath off the waiver wire.

NOTE: Trading Terrance Williams for a TE if someone wants to make a quick offer.

[Nevermore]

Wallace is owned in 90% of Yahoo Leagues, so I call BS on how probable it is you're going to be able to pick him up off waivers. He has indeed underpeformed, but the upside/value is there. You can't argue the lack of value of Wallace and then say Welker is only slightly better at the same time.

Welker: 31 receptions for 315 yards (10.1) and 7 TDs (88.00)
Wallace: 22 receptions for 281 (12.77) and 1 TD. (45.10)

In short, Wallace has big upside being a WR1, while Welker has a higher floor and a higher ceiling, making his value much higher.

Gates: 32 for 438 yards (13.68) and 4 TDs (70.80)

So, saying Wallace is closer to a better one for one than Welker says more about Welker than it does about Wallace. I might be able to agree that it may take Wallace + Something to get to Gates, but I would probably want something else to come with Gates as well.

I would in no way trade Welker staright up for Gates.

I didn't say you could pick up Wallace on waivers, I said you could pick up guys like Wallace on waivers.  For example, I picked up Keenan Allen this week and I'm in a pretty deep 14 team league.

Allen: 14 receptions for 225 yards (16.07) and 1 TD but he's only started the last two games and didn't even play in the first one.

I don't think Gates merits getting a Welker but he should get back more than a Wallace, who's in that 'just a guy' group of WRs once you get past the really good ones.

[Segoris]

Wallace is owned in 90% of Yahoo Leagues, so I call BS on how probable it is you're going to be able to pick him up off waivers. He has indeed underpeformed, but the upside/value is there. You can't argue the lack of value of Wallace and then say Welker is only slightly better at the same time.


So, saying Wallace is closer to a better one for one than Welker says more about Welker than it does about Wallace. I might be able to agree that it may take Wallace + Something to get to Gates, but I would probably want something else to come with Gates as well.

I would in no way trade Welker staright up for Gates.

No one said Welker is only slightly better than Wallace, I said Welker for Gates is only slightly less shitty of a trade than Gates for Wallace. That takes position and roster needs into account, and this time I would have been the beneficial party in that trade. I would need to add someone to make that truly fair, and I would have if he was up for discussion but Haem has said he is not for trade.

As for Wallace, in a 10-team league (as the JV league is) at this time, he is barely a WR2 if someone wants to gamble on him. The value is just not there when there are plenty of WR going around. In a 12-team league, I'd go Wallace for Gates, sure. Or if I was hurting a bit more at WR.

[sickrubik]

Actually, with your clarification, we're not very far apart in opinion. The language of "slightly less shitty" still makes me grimace, given how well Welker has performed vs Wallace, and comparing both of their upsides, which Welker is much higher on as well.

Anyway, still giving thought about our trade, but was working on some "hey let's find a job" stuff. Thomas is just so good, it makes me wary of trading him away.

[Segoris]

We never seem to be far apart in opinion, but we still never agree so why start now?

As for the offer, I can get that. I'm personally slow at pulling the trigger when it comes to bigger names. Even making that proposal resulted in me staring at the screen for a couple of minutes before hitting propose.

[sickrubik]

We never seem to be far apart in opinion, but we still never agree so why start now?

HEY THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE AGREE SOMETIMES. (See what I did there?)

[Segoris]

We're all doomed. Dooooooooooooooooommmmeed!!!!!!

[HaemishM]

Sent you a different trade option for Gates.

[Segoris]

Kind of considering it, but discussing another offer

[sickrubik]

I may have lost my mind.

[Segoris]

And found a potential trade in the process. Minds are still lost in the mix though.

[Segoris]

Haem check PMs

[Yegolev]

 

EDIT: I blame Minnesota's D.  Partly.

[Rasix]

You're really good at this!

[MrHat]

That's teams projection is 190.

The hell.

[Yegolev]

Two-part answer:
1. PPR
2. Fuck me

Bonus pictorial:


Like I said:

[Paelos]

My team is an unsalvagable pile of garbage this year. All players on the block. FIRE SALE BITCHES!

[Yegolev]

Can I be in your league next year?

[Rasix]

JV league always has spots open.  You must finished in the top 4 to be eligible for promotion.

[Paelos]

If I didn't win the damn thing last year, I'd feel worse about my team, but I hamfisted the autodraft this year.

[Azuredream]

Gave up my JV game as a loss before monday night- I was down a couple points with only Adam Vinatieri left against Trent Richardson. Got a nice surprise when I checked it again today and saw I actually won, and my kicker scored 13.

[murdoc]

First overall, 6th in points 

I feel that this is something I am not going to maintain.

[taolurker]

Gave up my JV game as a loss before monday night- I was down a couple points with only Adam Vinatieri left against Trent Richardson. Got a nice surprise when I checked it again today and saw I actually won, and my kicker scored 13.

&biteme

[Paelos]

I'm up for trades if you want any of my skill guys. I think at this point being a cellar dweller is a given.

First trade done for Garcon.

[Segoris]

Trade sent, it's more just aimed at the players I'm interested in so counter with what you'd want for them

First overall, 6th in points 

I feel that this is something I am not going to maintain.

Yeah, I keep telling myself the opposite. 2nd in points for, 8th place