Nextbox infinity anticipation station

[Cyrrex]

Down with Analogue sticks!

Seriously, one of the above posts just made me realize enough to ask this question:  does this thing have no DVR type functions?  Can it record or even pause a broadcast?  If not, then it cannot succeed at what they want it to accomplish.

[Velorath]

Pretty sure they said no DVR functions.

[eldaec]

It would need a bigger hard drive for that.

[Cyrrex]

The obvious rhetorical question is then "who they hell do they expect to use this thing?"  Actual gamers are going to be pissed and IMO, gravitate towards Sony this time around.  Non-gamers simply won't buy it.  This isn't the Wii, where they will pull in people who were never gamers, because it provides zero incentive for them to do so.

I have never been so turned off by a console release.  I am a huge graphics nerd who always gets a boner over next gen consoles, but not this one.  Because as pretty as the COD demos might turn out to be (I have no idea, I haven't seen one) you can be damn sure that the PS4 is going to share most of the same library, and might even be more powerful anyway.  Besides, I tend to think the Sony exclusives are much better than the xbox exclusives.  PS4 for me.

[Phred]

See what you've done Phred? Now the newbies think this shit is clever. 

I'm sure ya'll will chase them off soon enough.

[Sophismata]

Why do companies still insist to push control schemes on us that are awkward or don't work most of the time?

Because some catch on and become the standard. I remember all the bitching around controllers moving away from d-pads and to dual analogue sticks right up to the point people got familiar with analogue sticks.

The key difference is that analogue controls aren't awkward, and actually work.

[MrHat]

Pretty sure they said no DVR functions.

It would have been plastered all over if there was one.

[HaemishM]

The obvious rhetorical question is then "who they hell do they expect to use this thing?" 

I think the only people who would see a reason to buy this are the marketing executives and business projection consultants who put together the feature list for it. There is literally nothing about what the consumer wants in this box AT ALL. These are the same fuckheads who think "it's got SOCIALS in it, they'll eat it up!"

[schild]

So, I've read a bunch of articles on the Xbone. I feel like the most important part is that cities with Google Fiber don't want to shove an Xbox between their google box and the router. Which they'd have to do. Which is stupid. Mind you, not everyone has Google Fiber. But in the next 5 years, I assume many cities will. Given they announced Austin and then, almost immediately, Provo - it would seem like they're speeding things up.

I mean, hell, they GIVE you a Nexus 7 with Fiber.

Which I'll use for Hex.

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[01101010]

The obvious rhetorical question is then "who they hell do they expect to use this thing?" 

I think the only people who would see a reason to buy this are the marketing executives and business projection consultants who put together the feature list for it. There is literally nothing about what the consumer wants in this box AT ALL. These are the same fuckheads who think "it's got SOCIALS in it, they'll eat it up!"

I would go so far as to say that current console kids are twitchy for the next gen item, regardless of what it actually is. They see next gen and immediately have to have. I have a couple of guys on my G+ circle who are completely enamored by this upcoming gaming PC and strike back at everything I find frightening or just lacking about this system. These are the same people who also grab up every piece of new tech on the market when it comes out even if they just bought the last iteration a few months ago. Case in point, a buddy who grabbed up a Note II just last Fall and is already basically standing in line for the Note III. This is also a guy with a Nexus 7 and Samsung Chromebook purchased day of release. To these people, new tech is some kinda of real life achievement score. That is what these consumers want...

[Trippy]

Pretty sure they said no DVR functions.

It would have been plastered all over if there was one.

Xbox One is using HDMI passthrough to do its overlays. It's not taking in a raw cable signal, manipulating it, and sending it to a TV. Hence the lack of DVR functionality. There are rumors there will be a TV tuner add-on but unless that happens the TV functionality is actually quite limited, despite spending most of the presentation touting it, since it's not controlling your TV or cable box directly.

[MisterNoisy]

Xbox One is using HDMI passthrough to do its overlays. It's not taking in a raw cable signal, manipulating it, and sending it to a TV. Hence the lack of DVR functionality. There are rumors there will be a TV tuner add-on but unless that happens the TV functionality is actually quite limited, despite spending most of the presentation touting it, since it's not controlling your TV or cable box directly.

I'd assumed that they'll be using an IR blaster to control TVs/cable receivers, which is pretty meh, but the only workable solution for the tons of devices that can't accept commands through HDMI.

[MrHat]

Pretty sure they said no DVR functions.

It would have been plastered all over if there was one.

Xbox One is using HDMI passthrough to do its overlays. It's not taking in a raw cable signal, manipulating it, and sending it to a TV. Hence the lack of DVR functionality. There are rumors there will be a TV tuner add-on but unless that happens the TV functionality is actually quite limited, despite spending most of the presentation touting it, since it's not controlling your TV or cable box directly.

Cable box -> Xbox -> TV?

[Bzalthek]

Really, other than clownshoe fanboys, are people really going to buy this shit? 

[Paelos]

Really, other than clownshoe fanboys, are people really going to buy this shit? 

Nope.

[jakonovski]

As an European, I find it incredibly funny that most of the features of the Xbone don't work in Europe. Hell, even Kinect voice commands are disabled by edict.

[Trippy]

Pretty sure they said no DVR functions.

It would have been plastered all over if there was one.

Xbox One is using HDMI passthrough to do its overlays. It's not taking in a raw cable signal, manipulating it, and sending it to a TV. Hence the lack of DVR functionality. There are rumors there will be a TV tuner add-on but unless that happens the TV functionality is actually quite limited, despite spending most of the presentation touting it, since it's not controlling your TV or cable box directly.

Cable box -> Xbox -> TV?

Yes.
 

[MrHat]

Pretty sure they said no DVR functions.

It would have been plastered all over if there was one.

Xbox One is using HDMI passthrough to do its overlays. It's not taking in a raw cable signal, manipulating it, and sending it to a TV. Hence the lack of DVR functionality. There are rumors there will be a TV tuner add-on but unless that happens the TV functionality is actually quite limited, despite spending most of the presentation touting it, since it's not controlling your TV or cable box directly.

Cable box -> Xbox -> TV?

Yes.
 

How come it can't capture the input then?

[Yegolev]

As an European, I find it incredibly funny that most of the features of the Xbone don't work in Europe. Hell, even Kinect voice commands are disabled by edict.

Voice commands should also be disabled in the southern US since the fucking thing can't understand me.

[Trippy]

Pretty sure they said no DVR functions.

It would have been plastered all over if there was one.

Xbox One is using HDMI passthrough to do its overlays. It's not taking in a raw cable signal, manipulating it, and sending it to a TV. Hence the lack of DVR functionality. There are rumors there will be a TV tuner add-on but unless that happens the TV functionality is actually quite limited, despite spending most of the presentation touting it, since it's not controlling your TV or cable box directly.

Cable box -> Xbox -> TV?

Yes.

How come it can't capture the input then?

Cause the HDMI output coming from the cable box is using HDCP and can't be copied (recorded) without bypassing the HDCP which is illegal for MS to do.

To record the video the cable coax has to be plugged into a CableCARD that is connected to the Xbox One. The CableCARD is then "authorized" to decrypt and record whatever programming the user is authorized for.

[HaemishM]

So in other words using the Bone for any TV features other than useless fucking overlays and social media is impossible without paying either the cable company or Microsoft or BOTH for a dongley dongle thingy?

[Trippy]

So in other words using the Bone for any TV features other than useless fucking overlays and social media is impossible without paying either the cable company or Microsoft or BOTH for a dongley dongle thingy?

Based on my understanding of how the Xbox One works, that's correct. It's possible Microsoft has something arranged with the major cable providers that hasn't been announced that would reduce or eliminate this cost. E.g. if you have an Xbox Live Gold subscription or if you agree to have even *more* ads displayed it'll cost you less or nothing. Also note that my example above only works with cable TV signals. AT&T U-Verse and satellite TV have their own technologies for doing this crap so assuming MS is going to provide some sort of DVR capability I'm not sure it'll work with those other technologies.

[Teleku]

As an European, I find it incredibly funny that most of the features of the Xbone don't work in Europe. Hell, even Kinect voice commands are disabled by edict.

Voice commands should also be disabled in the southern US since the fucking thing can't understand me.

No, voice commands should always be forced on in the south, just as punishment.

[Margalis]

Really, other than clownshoe fanboys, are people really going to buy this shit? 

It does depend on the games to some degree but the combination of hardware, policies and priorities is fucking dire.

[eldaec]

So in other words using the Bone for any TV features other than useless fucking overlays and social media is impossible without paying either the cable company or Microsoft or BOTH for a dongley dongle thingy?

Based on my understanding of how the Xbox One works, that's correct. It's possible Microsoft has something arranged with the major cable providers that hasn't been announced that would reduce or eliminate this cost. E.g. if you have an Xbox Live Gold subscription or if you agree to have even *more* ads displayed it'll cost you less or nothing. Also note that my example above only works with cable TV signals. AT&T U-Verse and satellite TV have their own technologies for doing this crap so assuming MS is going to provide some sort of DVR capability I'm not sure it'll work with those other technologies.

And given that all those companies also want control of your ability to record and watch television, I can't imagine why they'd want to give the Bone control.

For instance I know my Sky box locks my recordings if I unsubscribe from the channel they were recorded from. Some movies get auto deleted when rights expire. I don't for one moment believe that Sky would willingly allow someone else to be in charge of fucking over my timeshifting capability.

Really, other than clownshoe fanboys, are people really going to buy this shit? 

It does depend on the games to some degree but the combination of hardware, policies and priorities is fucking dire.

Oh I don't doubt that there are still millions of people desperate to play bad FPSes and EA sports titles with new roster data.

[Rendakor]

What sort of exclusives does the Xbox even have anymore? The latest Gears game wasn't anything special, and I'm not sure Halo has a big draw these days either since Bungie isn't on it. Aside from Kinect stuff, that leaves what, Forza? I guess some people might buy it out of shear brand loyalty/fanboi-ism, but I don't see any reason why you'd buy an XBone instead of a PS4.

[WayAbvPar]

And given that all those companies also want control of your ability to record and watch television, I can't imagine why they'd want to give the Bone control.

For instance I know my Sky box locks my recordings if I unsubscribe from the channel they were recorded from. Some movies get auto deleted when rights expire. I don't for one moment believe that Sky would willingly allow someone else to be in charge of fucking over my timeshifting capability.

That is fucking diabolical.

[Ingmar]

What sort of exclusives does the Xbox even have anymore? The latest Gears game wasn't anything special, and I'm not sure Halo has a big draw these days either since Bungie isn't on it. Aside from Kinect stuff, that leaves what, Forza? I guess some people might buy it out of shear brand loyalty/fanboi-ism, but I don't see any reason why you'd buy an XBone instead of a PS4.

Because you want a console, and you want it from a company with a clean security record?

I'm not likely to buy either console in an overall sense, but I'm more likely to buy a new Xbox than a PS4 because I don't trust Sony from an IT perspective.

[eldaec]

And given that all those companies also want control of your ability to record and watch television, I can't imagine why they'd want to give the Bone control.

For instance I know my Sky box locks my recordings if I unsubscribe from the channel they were recorded from. Some movies get auto deleted when rights expire. I don't for one moment believe that Sky would willingly allow someone else to be in charge of fucking over my timeshifting capability.

That is fucking diabolical.

You know Sky basically the UK arm of Fox, right?

[eldaec]

I don't see any reason why you'd buy an XBone instead of a PS4.

Don't buy either.



Isn't it time you joined the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race?

[Jeff Kelly]

Probably no. I'd consider it, if PC gaming worked more like console gaming.

I like the 'slouching on the couch while playing games on a huge TV' model too much.

After what everyone has presented so far maybe Valve has the right idea with the rumored steam box?

[KallDrexx]

Probably no. I'd consider it, if PC gaming worked more like console gaming.

I like the 'slouching on the couch while playing games on a huge TV' model too much.

After what everyone has presented so far maybe Valve has the right idea with the rumored steam box?

I just bought a gaming PC with the sole purpose of couch gaming on my TV.

[Yegolev]

As an European, I find it incredibly funny that most of the features of the Xbone don't work in Europe. Hell, even Kinect voice commands are disabled by edict.

Voice commands should also be disabled in the southern US since the fucking thing can't understand me.

No, voice commands should always be forced on in the south, just as punishment.

PUNISHMENT FOR WHAT

I was thinking today of how my grandmother would rhyme "peaches" with "britches".

[MrHat]

Probably no. I'd consider it, if PC gaming worked more like console gaming.

I like the 'slouching on the couch while playing games on a huge TV' model too much.

After what everyone has presented so far maybe Valve has the right idea with the rumored steam box?

Dell x51

[rattran]

If people from the south would learn to speak English, everything would work better.