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Lakov_Sanite
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You mean one of the best star trek episodes ever?
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jgsugden
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...It's definitely some of what you speak, but in a show about SHIELD and supers, it doesn't make sense to focus entirely on one guy (who's actually not a super, nor even the leader of Shield nor the most 'gifted')... This is a show about S.H.I.E.L.D., but is not a show about supers. It is about NOT being super and dealing with Super threats. That is why you focus on the character that is the 'humanizing factor' from the movies (Whedon's description), and that is why it is interesting to make him non-human while keeping him human in terms of his ability level. This show is about dealing with Super situations. |
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HaemishM
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Except there have been maybe 3 actual super situations out of 6 episodes?
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jgsugden
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Except there have been maybe 3 actual super situations out of 6 episodes?
If you exclude S.H.I.E.L.D. and other advanced tech: 3 of 6, but 5 of the first 8 feature super elements. However, as the tech in those other episodes is unrealistic, I think all 8 are in the realm of Super. In fact, the tech in the last episode is a version of tech from the comics (Overkill Horn)... |
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Ghambit
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This is not a show about SHIELD nor a show about Supers, it's a show about Coulson and his millenial misfit groupies. You mean one of the best star trek episodes ever?
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HaemishM
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Except there have been maybe 3 actual super situations out of 6 episodes?
If you exclude S.H.I.E.L.D. and other advanced tech: 3 of 6, but 5 of the first 8 feature super elements. However, as the tech in those other episodes is unrealistic, I think all 8 are in the realm of Super. In fact, the tech in the last episode is a version of tech from the comics (Overkill Horn)... I do not consider macguffin tech to be super unless there is a super villain explicitly attached to the other end of it. Vague Eastern European goons with guns? Not super. |
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Nevermore
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But that's exactly who I would expect S.H.I.E.L.D. to be fighting. When the real super villains start to show up, that's when the Avengers are called in.
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Over and out.
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MediumHigh
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Actually shield should be fighting super organizations that use a combination of high tech gadgetry and doomsday weapons to accomplish their goals.
No name third world countries with guns is what we get instead.
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Nevermore
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I thought it was framed as a terrorist organization with a doomsday weapon?
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Over and out.
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Evildrider
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Yeah, I don't think we were meant to believe it was just random terrorists that built a super weapon.
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MediumHigh
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I don't think the show is smart enough to care if you did or not.  |
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Margalis
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He is the core of the show. In a show about being human in a Super world, there is no better central character than the one that isn't really human...
I'm honestly baffled as to why you keep claiming that this is what the show is about. The show has very few "Super" elements and almost no actual super heroes. It's less about "being human in a Super world" than the X-Files was. Or Sleepy Hollow. There's no Super person to contrast the SHIELD agents with. The show you're describing sounds interesting but that's not the show we're getting. Take the episode with Scorch. He was a super guy, but most of the episode was spent on Skye shenanigans and computer hacking. Scorch was basically just a MacGuffin character, he could have been a valuable crystal and the episode would barely have changed. Actually shield should be fighting super organizations that use a combination of high tech gadgetry and doomsday weapons to accomplish their goals.
SHIELD is actually pretty boring when thrust into the main role. There's a reason comics centered around SHIELD tend to not last long. |
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« Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 06:42:45 PM by Margalis »
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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MediumHigh
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That's because marvel rarely gets that part of its universe right. DC suicide squad has better material and generally does a better job of being shield than shield.
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jgsugden
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He is the core of the show. In a show about being human in a Super world, there is no better central character than the one that isn't really human...
I'm honestly baffled as to why you keep claiming that this is what the show is about. Because Whedon said it repeatedly in interviews? The show has very few "Super" elements and almost no actual super heroes. It's less about "being human in a Super world" than the X-Files was. Or Sleepy Hollow. There's no Super person to contrast the SHIELD agents with. They're dealing with the comic book world threats, whether that is the Super Villain, the Super Weapon, or the Super Strange. ...Take the episode with Scorch. He was a super guy, but most of the episode was spent on Skye shenanigans and computer hacking. Scorch was basically just a MacGuffin character, he could have been a valuable crystal and the episode would barely have changed. True - but this is not a show about Super villains per se, and having a new super villain every episode would get boring - fast. They're looking for variety of threats, and they're looking to slowly introduce villains into the world. Would it make sense to suddenly have hundreds of villains running around when there were none a few years earlier? Actually shield should be fighting super organizations that use a combination of high tech gadgetry and doomsday weapons to accomplish their goals. SHIELD is actually pretty boring when thrust into the main role. There's a reason comics centered around SHIELD tend to not last long. Lots of comics fail - few come back as often as SHIELD has. There have been plenty of spy shows that have worked with the elements of advanced/fantastic tech, too - Alias, Man from Uncle, etc... This show is building a new Marvel universe. It has to respect a lot of things, so it isn't going to flood the universe overnight. I think they're doing a good job. I think they have a lot of potential, and once they work out a few kinks, the show is going to hit stride and be darn good. Nobody is forcing anyone to wait it out until it gets there, but once it does, I bet those of you that go back and look through the earlier episodes will see more than you see now. |
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Margalis
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Because Whedon said it repeatedly in interviews?
That's not what's actually in the show though. Maybe that's what he was aiming for but that's not what's showing up on screen. In terms of having to deal with things bigger than themselves the show is far behind a lot of comparable shows. They're dealing with the comic book world threats, whether that is the Super Villain, the Super Weapon, or the Super Strange. No more so than the X-Files, Fringe, Grimm, Sleepy Hollow or the 80s GI Joe cartoon, or most genre shows really. I mean Cobra Commander had the weather manipulator, just add a line of dialogue that says "it's based on Dark Elf tech" and you have an episode of SHIELD. |
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Abagadro
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They've been recycling the same McGuffin plot for 6 episodes now (OMG here is a thing/person we need to track down, track it down, complication, resolution). They really need to mix it up a bit. The only one that was even slightly interesting was the magnetic goo episode, but they seem to think that the characters and dribbling out the longer arc is enough to sustain the weekly mission. They are wrong.
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Venkman
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...Also, I'm starting to think they're riding Coulson a bit too much on this show. I mean, I get it, he's the leader, but we don't need him in our face every 2 seconds. He is the core of the show. In a show about being human in a Super world, there is no better central character than the one that isn't really human... They're still trying to attract and audience, and so far he and the "Marvel" name are the only two recognizable elements in it. Without Coulson it's just Heroes redux. |
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jgsugden
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...They're still trying to attract and audience, and so far he and the "Marvel" name are the only two recognizable elements in it. Without Coulson it's just Heroes redux. Wait - one person claims there is nothing Super in the show, another claims it is Heroes redux... Ugh. It is almost like people are just complaining for the sake of complaining. But that never happens on the internet... Who wants to name the people/things in the last episode that come from the comics? |
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...They're still trying to attract and audience, and so far he and the "Marvel" name are the only two recognizable elements in it. Without Coulson it's just Heroes redux. Wait - one person claims there is nothing Super in the show, another claims it is Heroes redux... Ugh. It is almost like people are just complaining for the sake of complaining. But that never happens on the internet... Or it's like different people have different complaints about the show. Also I think you're misinterpreting the Heroes comment. I'm pretty sure the point he was making was that if they barely use any aspects of the Marvel Universe, then it might as well be like Heroes in that Heroes didn't take place in an established universe. |
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Khaldun
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Forget the show, I really want to lock MediumHigh and jgsugden into a room and study what happens next.
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Der Helm
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Forget the show, I really want to lock MediumHigh and jgsugden into a room and study what happens next.
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Evildrider
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Forget the show, I really want to lock MediumHigh and jgsugden into a room and study what happens next.
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Venkman
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I'm pretty sure the point he was making was that if they barely use any aspects of the Marvel Universe, then it might as well be like Heroes in that Heroes didn't take place in an established universe.
Yes, that. It's kinda like the pilot episode for Star Trek DS9. They had Picard, but that was it, and only for that one episode, and without any of the other crew. Or when JAG introduced NCIS, or NCIS introduced NCIS:LA. There needs to be a bridge. And it's great when that can happen with the kind of talent/secondary character than can jump screens/formats. |
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MediumHigh
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Forget the show, I really want to lock MediumHigh and jgsugden into a room and study what happens next.
Says the guy who likes Thor 2. I rather see you circle jerk with jgsugden... wait no scratch that this echo chamber we call a forum allows me to hear you two just fine. |
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jgsugden
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... Also I think you're misinterpreting the Heroes comment. I'm pretty sure the point he was making was that if they barely use any aspects of the Marvel Universe, then it might as well be like Heroes in that Heroes didn't take place in an established universe.
That was obvious - but there is an implication in the comment. As for locking us in a room... I doubt any of you can afford my prices. |
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sickrubik
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So, I enjoy the show... but I think I enjoy just how heated a conversation over a fucking SHIELD show has gotten.
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beer geek.
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Ghambit
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I'm sure it's all a part of Whedon's master plan. |
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Venkman
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... Also I think you're misinterpreting the Heroes comment. I'm pretty sure the point he was making was that if they barely use any aspects of the Marvel Universe, then it might as well be like Heroes in that Heroes didn't take place in an established universe.
That was obvious - but there is an implication in the comment. Which was? |
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Threash
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So, I enjoy the show... but I think I enjoy just how heated a conversation over a fucking SHIELD show has gotten.
It's pretty crazy, if it didn't have the Marvel association i doubt we would have this much vitriol. It is a highly enjoyable show on the level of Chuck, why anyone expects anything more than that is beyond me. |
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Trippy
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Chuck was a much better show.
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Ironwood
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Yes. Very much so.
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Threash
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Chuck had much better eye candy, that's it.
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Ironwood
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Um, No ?
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Tannhauser
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Chuck was better. Eye candy that can act. Damn, I miss that show.
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Venkman
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So, I enjoy the show... but I think I enjoy just how heated a conversation over a fucking SHIELD show has gotten.
It's pretty crazy, if it didn't have the Marvel association i doubt we would have this much vitriol. there'd be enough people here watching it to sustain a thread  |
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