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Reply #70 on: July 24, 2013, 10:28:48 PM

Buffy actually had one of the single greatest episodes around a death that is still one of the best hours of television. And the death lasted and really fucked her up. (Not her own death.)
Her mom, right?  Although there were other deaths that stuck and were major events (whatshername, Willow's girlfriend, for example).  Yeah, in Whedon plots, deaths of non redshirts are generally treated as significant events, and resurrections are always more than just ways to keep a character around through handwaving.

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Yeah, her mom's death in "The Body". Tara's death was sadly well done too. Sudden and heartbreaking. Tara's also led to one of the most grisly things I've seen on a network show, especially for before 10pm.

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Reply #71 on: July 24, 2013, 10:41:41 PM

Yeah, I'm still surprised they actually showed someone being flayed alive.

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Reply #72 on: July 25, 2013, 09:32:28 AM

Yeah, I'm still surprised they actually showed someone being flayed alive.
Quick flayed... It really wasn't any more graphic than one of those skinless medical study things we see on Medical shows all the time.

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Reply #73 on: July 25, 2013, 09:47:51 AM

Yeah, I'm still surprised they actually showed someone being flayed alive.
Quick flayed... It really wasn't any more graphic than one of those skinless medical study things we see on Medical shows all the time.

What medical shows are you talking about? Like ER, or an education/science based show?

And did you mean quick as in they only show it briefly? Because they cut and back from it like three times.
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Reply #74 on: July 25, 2013, 11:15:31 AM

I thought Tara got shot in the musical episode....am I mis-remembering?

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Reply #75 on: July 25, 2013, 11:25:41 AM

What medical shows are you talking about? Like ER, or an education/science based show?
I didn't have a particular example in mind.  I've seen the 'skinless model' on TV a lot.
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And did you mean quick as in they only show it briefly? Because they cut and back from it like three times.
I meant that it wasn't a graphic apple peeling scene with blood spewing in huge streams.  It was done in one second. 

The moment carried an impact, and seemed really brutal, but it wasn't actually that graphic if you think about it.  It was the tamest total body flay I've ever seen, on TV or in real life.

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Reply #76 on: July 25, 2013, 11:45:11 AM

It was before 10pm, and was brutally done, and not in an educational sense. Was it as bloody/gory as say being flayed in a Hellraiser movie? No, of course not, no on was claiming it was.

I thought Tara got shot in the musical episode....am I mis-remembering?

I thought Tara got shot in the musical episode....am I mis-remembering?

You are not remember correctly. "Once More With Feeling" was early in Season 6. "Seeing Red" (in which she gets shot) was in the last few episodes of Season 6.

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Reply #77 on: July 25, 2013, 12:51:28 PM

It was before 10pm, and was brutally done, and not in an educational sense. Was it as bloody/gory as say being flayed in a Hellraiser movie? No, of course not, no on was claiming it was.
All I was saying is that I can't come up with a more tame total body flaying.  No matter how many times I try.  To bring up Hellraiser, the scene in the first one where they carry a sofa through a doorway and get cut on a nail was far more disturbing to me than the bloodless flaying.

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Reply #78 on: July 25, 2013, 12:55:51 PM

So you're a flaying-hipster, I get it.

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Reply #79 on: July 25, 2013, 06:46:52 PM

I'm only into horrific deaths that involve amontillado.

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Reply #80 on: July 25, 2013, 08:27:46 PM

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Wow. That reads all kinds of wrong.

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Reply #81 on: July 25, 2013, 09:12:36 PM

So you're a flaying-hipster, I get it.
We prefer faying-hipstuh.

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Reply #82 on: September 04, 2013, 02:07:34 PM

3 weeks to go... and nobody talked about the Comic-con reveals.  I was surprised the J August Richards is playing Squirrel Girl...

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Reply #83 on: September 04, 2013, 02:33:13 PM

ABC had a promo on last night. Looked cool. Ming Na makes my Avenger assemble.  DRILLING AND MANLINESS
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Reply #84 on: September 04, 2013, 02:35:11 PM

ABC had a promo on last night. Looked cool. Ming Na makes my Avenger assemble.  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

She's still pretty hot for a 50 year old.  awesome, for real
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Reply #85 on: September 04, 2013, 02:44:37 PM

As a 50-year old myself, get off my lawn you ageist punk.  Ming Na is going to meet me at the Sizzler for the 4pm dinner buffet before we fall asleep together after The Big Bang Theory ends.

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Reply #86 on: September 04, 2013, 06:51:45 PM

I cannot get past how "young and hip" this cast is, so much so that it's super(hah) unrealistic.  Hacker girl in van takes time to do hair and makeup before trying to get into secret database? sure.....

It's like this show was cast with no thought to the much more realistic casting of the movies.  Were agent coulsen not an established character, that actor would not have been allowed within 100 yards of this soap opera set.

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Reply #87 on: September 04, 2013, 09:39:22 PM

I cannot get past how "young and hip" this cast is, so much so that it's super(hah) unrealistic.  Hacker girl in van takes time to do hair and makeup before trying to get into secret database? sure.....

It's like this show was cast with no thought to the much more realistic casting of the movies.  Were agent coulsen not an established character, that actor would not have been allowed within 100 yards of this soap opera set.

Yeah, it's a super young cast if you ignore the 1/3 of it which is around 50 (not to mention a few other recurring roles). And yeah, Whedon would never cast some older actors in his shows with a hip young cast. Nor would he have used Agent Coulson if that character wasn't already established. I mean aside from the fact that he was established to dead and was brought back for the show. If it was because Whedon liked him as an actor he obviously would have used Clark Gregg in one of his other projects by now.
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Reply #88 on: September 04, 2013, 10:11:34 PM

I cannot get past how "young and hip" this cast is, so much so that it's super(hah) unrealistic.  Hacker girl in van takes time to do hair and makeup before trying to get into secret database? sure.....

It's like this show was cast with no thought to the much more realistic casting of the movies.  Were agent coulsen not an established character, that actor would not have been allowed within 100 yards of this soap opera set.

Yeah, it's a super young cast if you ignore the 1/3 of it which is around 50 (not to mention a few other recurring roles). And yeah, Whedon would never cast some older actors in his shows with a hip young cast. Nor would he have used Agent Coulson if that character wasn't already established. I mean aside from the fact that he was established to dead and was brought back for the show. If it was because Whedon liked him as an actor he obviously would have used Clark Gregg in one of his other projects by now.

He has.  Gregg was in Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing.
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Reply #89 on: September 04, 2013, 10:17:54 PM

You almost managed to bypass the sarchasm without incident.
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Reply #90 on: September 04, 2013, 10:36:13 PM



God damn senior citizens.

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Reply #91 on: September 05, 2013, 06:10:19 AM

Yeah, I'm sure a team with 2 senior members and 3 or 4 people in their 20s is highly unrealistic. Never happens.

Whedon has a casting history that disagrees with the notion that this cast is anything but what he thought was best for the show. Go look up the tale of Whedon, Fox and the casting of Inara. Marvel trusts Whedon more than Fox ...

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Reply #92 on: September 05, 2013, 06:34:50 AM

Yeah, I'm sure a team with 2 senior members and 3 or 4 people in their 20s is highly unrealistic. Never happens.

Happens all the time, on tv.  My point is not just that they are young, they are all super attractive too and quite frankly it's stupid.  Not offensive in that I care about their looks but stupid because it's now just 90210(super edition) and it's hard to take it seriously.  Look at any show in this vein, NCIS,CSI, even Buffy and yes there are pretty people but even in the main cast not everyone looks like they should be modeling clothes(willow surprised everyone I think)

See that girl on the left?  She supposed to be some fucking super hacker computer nerd, I mean isn't that obvious looking at her?

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Reply #93 on: September 05, 2013, 06:44:18 AM

Oh, dear, it's terribly important that a show about secret agents in a superhero universe conform to your ideas about sociological realism. Definitely make sure the hacker is a sweaty fat guy living in his mom's basement, because we know girls don't know how to use computers, let alone good-looking ones.
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Reply #94 on: September 05, 2013, 07:26:53 AM

Bullshit argument.  Neither RDJ, Mark Ruffalo, Jeremy Renner, Tom hiddleston or even Sam Jackson look like they stepped off the set of a teen drama. 

As to hacker girl? Yeah I'm sure every girl into computers is also a model who does their hair and makeup before sitting in a van to infiltrate the government.

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Reply #95 on: September 05, 2013, 07:59:47 AM

awesome, for real

I understand the points, but you guys are trudging dangerously close to the NOT A REAL NERD BECAUSE SHES PRETTY argument. Plenty to... complain about I guess.. when it comes to protraying "hackers" in general without saying "OMG SHES PRETTY TOO, UNREAL".

It's a promo shot, for a TV show about superheroes, produced in Hollywood.

And all of those actors you listed are terribly ugly, right? Let's just... step away from the beauty argument a bit.

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Reply #96 on: September 05, 2013, 08:30:29 AM

I'm not trying to say those actor are ugly but they look like real people and not models on the set of a soap opera.  I mean there are tons of pretty women into computers but it's not about pretty/ugly it's about how realistic/fake the presentation is.  Not a single peircing/tattoo? Hair/make-up straight out of victoria's secret commercial? Dresses like she could be on the set of any disney show? 

I'm not even trying to harp on that one girl because there are problems throughout with the main cast just looking so...fake.

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Reply #97 on: September 05, 2013, 09:20:38 AM

You're still concentrating on the "looks" which seems a bit arbitrary. There seems like there would be plenty of reasons to "pick on" when it comes to showing "hacking" without making her look like Lisbeth Salander or Neckberd McMouthbreather.

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Reply #98 on: September 05, 2013, 09:24:49 AM

Wait - the people working for a secret government agency are not covered in easily identifiable tats and piercings?  

THE SHOW HAS NOT EVEN BEEN ON YET!  Wait to see how the characters are set up and handled before you judge.  

If you have to judge now, use the data at hand.  Look at the show runner's history.  Seriously.  90210 (super edition)?  Are you concerned about too much character development in porn, too?

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Reply #99 on: September 05, 2013, 09:26:41 AM

My point is not just that they are young, they are all super attractive too and quite frankly it's stupid.

You haven't read many super hero comics, have you?  Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #100 on: September 05, 2013, 09:29:42 AM

Wait - the people working for a secret government agency are not covered in easily identifiable tats and piercings?  

If you watch the trailer she is not working for shield in the beginning, she tries to hack shield and they recruit her.  Hey look, I'm not comparing this show to anything but super hero movies that have been coming out lately and those do not look like the cast of dawson's creek.

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Reply #101 on: September 05, 2013, 09:34:42 AM

That's only because the people in the movie are older... but they're still not "realistic", they're all super attractive... so...

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Reply #102 on: September 05, 2013, 10:55:30 AM

Let's put this ridiculous argument about hacker females not being hot to bed:

http://backorifice.org/477/top-5-female-hackers-of-the-world/



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Reply #103 on: September 05, 2013, 11:03:02 AM

Never said they couldn't be hot(Why does everyone infer that?) Just saying they aren't models that dress up for glamour shots when breaking into top secret databases.  Gender isn't really the issue, nor is hot/not it's just about presentation of a character as wholly unrealistic soap opera drek.

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Reply #104 on: September 05, 2013, 11:15:18 AM

Probably because you keep harping on it and specifically pointed it out, that because she looks like that she can't possibly be a hacker.

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