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Reply #1470 on: July 22, 2016, 05:21:26 PM

Ghost Rider confirmed for this season.

Edit:  It's the Robbie Reyes version of Ghost Rider to be played by Gabriel Luna.

Pic of the car from Comic Con.
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Reply #1471 on: July 22, 2016, 08:09:02 PM

I was just coming to post that news. Can I be the first to say "Buhhhh... wut?"

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Reply #1472 on: July 22, 2016, 08:14:03 PM

I like that show but I'm sure they'll bland him up right good.

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Reply #1473 on: July 23, 2016, 02:12:48 PM

Reyes and Coulson discussing something trivial when lackey comes in announcing a threat.
Cut to Coulson getting out his carkeys and saying "We'll take mine, it's cooler"
Shot of Reyes catching on fire and hopping into his flaming car. "Mine's hotter"

Que music from The Who.

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Reply #1474 on: September 20, 2016, 06:27:52 PM

First new episode was tonight, the effects on Ghost Rider weren't that bad. About as good as you can hope for on a TV budget really. Has the cool car, murdered some white supremacists, head was a flaming skull. So far so good.

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Reply #1475 on: September 21, 2016, 09:41:47 AM

I'm kinda confused as to why he is randomly on Agents of SHIELD. I'm happy to see a 'real' character, but what a weird choice.

I agree, it was pretty decently handled. I imagine the bike and chains would blow the FX budget.

Ghost Driver.

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Reply #1476 on: September 21, 2016, 12:00:55 PM

I think they're trying to take the show back to the comic version of SHIELD, more.  That could be a good direction, but so far it feels forced and awkward.  Their attempts to sex up the show (gratuitous panty shot to start the episode, Yo yo getting handsy with Mac below camera view, etc...) just felt off. They've essentially rebooted this show every season. 

Ghost Rider was not intimidating at all.  That is a role that requires max gravitas and Luna felt more like a low level lackey in terms of fear factor.  Bad casting.  The role needs someone that can intimidate with merely a glare.  This felt more like 'wimpy kid Hulks out into human torch' than 'this guy is the vessel for a Spirit of Vengeance'.

I get that they feel a need to move into the magical world of Marvel this season with Doc Strange coming, but they'd have been better served with a Black Knight than Ghost Rider.  They're wasting something that could be great in the hands of a Cable Network.

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Reply #1477 on: September 21, 2016, 12:32:13 PM

Yeah, when Nick Cage is better casting, something went sideways.

I actually thought the yoyo/mac scene was decent. Expressing her passionate nature, mac's discomfort yet enjoyment, and Coulson's ignoring the entire thing yet showing that he sees everything. Nice quick vignette, imo. Other than the effects, maybe the high point of the show.

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Reply #1478 on: September 21, 2016, 01:23:03 PM

That specific version of the Ghost Rider is right on target. Robbie Reyes himself is not a imposing figure at all, so unless he is actively doing Ghost Rider stuff, he's utterly unassuming.

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Reply #1479 on: September 21, 2016, 06:30:35 PM

Hey, it's Madalena!

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Reply #1480 on: September 21, 2016, 07:11:24 PM

That specific version of the Ghost Rider is right on target. Robbie Reyes himself is not a imposing figure at all, so unless he is actively doing Ghost Rider stuff, he's utterly unassuming.

Blaze and Ketch were never particularly intimidating either. Quite the opposite in fact, at times both of them could be incredibly whiny and weak-willed. The Ghost Riders themselves are usually intimidating to the point where even their hosts are afraid of them to varying extents. It also doesn't help that of Blaze, Ketch, and Reyes, Ketch is the only one whose Ghost Rider wasn't inherently evil.
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Reply #1481 on: September 28, 2016, 03:03:17 PM

Who is the new director of shield supposed to be? Is he someone from comics? I don't recognize him.


This season seems to be about opening up the mystical side of Marvel to the general public.

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Reply #1482 on: September 28, 2016, 03:23:54 PM

Who is the new director of shield supposed to be? Is he someone from comics? I don't recognize him.


This season seems to be about opening up the mystical side of Marvel to the general public.

Based on a hint they gave in the press months back about him being a character from the comics whose roots go back to the 40's, a lot of people are suspecting he's Jeffery Mace a.k.a. Patriot (and also one of the people retconned into being a Cap replacement when they had to explain how Cap was still active while Rogers was frozen).
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Reply #1483 on: October 19, 2016, 01:40:55 PM

Ratings suck.  Honestly, the show seems lost this season as well - a lot of interesting pieces that just seem to be wandering around instead of going anywhere.  I'm starting to wonder if this will make it through the full fourth season without an episode cut.  I don't think we get a 5th season without a massive improvement in quality and viewership.  At this point, I think they should try to aim to get SLJ in to transition SHIELD back to Fury and end it.

I am so disappointed.

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Reply #1484 on: October 19, 2016, 02:03:30 PM

From Ghost Rider to this seasons's macguffin, they're beating the MAGIC IS A THING drum.  It's pretty easy to see where this ends up. They had the mid-season twist that lined up nicely with Winter Soldier, so it's a pretty safe bet that there will be some sort of huge shake up 10 days after Dr Strange releases.  Right now, they're in a holding pattern until they can make that pivot.

Of course, they've pulled decent surprises before.  Maybe they're setting up the magic as an attractive distraction for some other big twist.  In the past, I've been very wrong about where this show was heading.

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Reply #1485 on: October 19, 2016, 02:31:55 PM

All I know:

1.) The Agents of SHIELD on this show are not the Agents of SHIELD I've known from the comics.  As such, the only real comic tie for the main characters is a job title.
2.) The show reacts to the movies, badly, but the movies do not interact with the show.  That makes the show feel like bad fan fiction.
3.) Moving a 'family' show to 10 PM and trying to add more violence and 'sex' never works. 

Joss Whedon wrote an outline for a Joss Whedon show with mostly original characters set in the MCU.  They started down that path and drifted as his outline for the first two seasons ran out.  Had he been in control, I think that would have been a good show.  However, this ended up being some other folks trying to make a Joss Whedon show and failing to use their resources right.

Without a Joss Whedon or other showrunner with a good vision, I think they needed to make this show a true SHIELD show.  We needed to see Nick Fury or Maria Hill in charge.  We needed to see 6 agents that came from the comics, even if they were different than the comic version we knew.  We saw Mockingbird work.  If the cast of characters had been Bobbi Morse, Sharon Carter, Jessica Drew, Jasper Sitwell, N'Gami and Carol Danvers... You'd have used up a lot of valuable cards that you might want to move into the movies, but you'd have had a product you can sell as SHIELD to the comics fans. 

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Reply #1486 on: October 19, 2016, 03:58:28 PM

The movies have to stay self contained.  That was one of many lessons learned from The Matrix series.  Yes, the hardcores had all watched the Animatrix and played 'Enter the Matrix', but 95% of the folks who showed up for the sequels were saying "Who's that weird clingy kid?  How did they just wind up at the power station?"  Audiences do not like outside sources of exposition. 

And, no the One-Shots, were side stories, not exposition [/pendant]

But it's constrained by it's nature.  It's on network tv, not cable/netflix.  It's narrative is driven by external sources.  It's access to the cannon characters is so limited as to be non-existent.  As such, it's not doing badly.

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Reply #1487 on: October 19, 2016, 04:16:29 PM

Canon. [/pedant]

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Reply #1488 on: October 19, 2016, 04:19:01 PM

You could have an entire season of TV address a topic and have a movie lay parallel groundwork with a single line of dialogue. Clearly, the movies can't react to TV unless TV locks down a plan years in advance and commits to it ... and movies commit to not cutting ror modifying the material once planned ... but it is possible in meaningful ways without tying anyone's hands too much. It just takes organization and planning.  However, nobody in Marvel is trying to make it happen sooo ... cow's opinion.

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Reply #1489 on: October 19, 2016, 06:08:28 PM

The problem is that this is connected to the MCU the same way the Netflix shows are connected to the MCU, by name drops only.  They are also not connected to the Netflix shows in any way whatsoever.  The first season was based entirely around the mid season Winter Soldier twist, since then this might as well be a standalone show.

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Reply #1490 on: October 19, 2016, 09:43:34 PM

Canon. [/pedant]

Ouch.  No more internet arguing for me after working in the sun.

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Reply #1491 on: November 06, 2016, 07:41:31 PM

I'm enjoying the season so far. I like how they're doing the Ghost Rider character but I never really followed that character, so I have no idea how true it is to the comics. Still enjoyable and so far, it's not the Daisy show. That shit got old fast last season.

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Reply #1492 on: November 08, 2016, 02:54:19 PM

It's pretty spot on for that specific version of Ghost Rider, regular dude trying to do right by his brother and ends up sacrificing more then just his schooling/career.

Show won't be back till the end of the month apparently, I hate these mid season breaks so much.

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Reply #1493 on: November 08, 2016, 03:26:36 PM

Wait, I thought the break was just for the election coverage - is it not going to be back on the 15th?  I wonder what the break is for then.

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Reply #1494 on: November 08, 2016, 04:14:18 PM

Ya, not back until the 29th.

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Reply #1495 on: November 08, 2016, 06:01:03 PM

Oh, just saw an advert for some stupid David Blaine special next Tuesday. That explains the 15th. Dumb.

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Reply #1496 on: November 29, 2016, 04:33:34 PM

This starts up again tonight. For the five of us that care.  why so serious?

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Reply #1497 on: November 30, 2016, 04:39:05 AM

Six!

It's not the greatest show on Earth but there's a bit of a dearth atm. And it's better than TWD.

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Reply #1498 on: November 30, 2016, 09:36:11 AM

It should be waiting for me on the DVR.  I ended up working late last night to finish my EOM prep work and didn't get home until 9:30. 

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Reply #1499 on: November 30, 2016, 08:28:47 PM

Best Mack line ever in this good ep. I won't spoil it.

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Reply #1500 on: November 30, 2016, 11:59:11 PM

I was going to post that line too  awesome, for real

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Reply #1501 on: December 01, 2016, 08:24:07 AM

Huh, which one was it?

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Reply #1502 on: December 01, 2016, 03:48:08 PM

Huh, which one was it?
Nothing jumped out to me. 

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Reply #1503 on: December 01, 2016, 05:22:27 PM


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Reply #1504 on: December 01, 2016, 06:59:03 PM


"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

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