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Reply #1435 on: October 01, 2015, 10:06:39 PM

First of all Whedon does not have that kind of creative control over the marvel brand, nor did he ever. Secondly having one character be kept out of the movies is not the same thing as pushing for seperation of the tv/movie universes, it was literally one instance of not wanting to confuse movie goers by retconning coulson.

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Reply #1436 on: October 02, 2015, 07:35:03 AM

Whedon's always had a hardon for the emotional impact of killing a well liked character. Coulson was the Avengers' Wash/Fred/Half the cast of Dollhouse. Very rarely does he uses devices to bring back characters from the dead (outside of titular ones). Makes sense he didn't want Coulson involved in anything after he killed him.

I like Whedon's stuff a lot, but I'm looking forward to seeing where some of this stuff goes without him. Just so long as its not more Iron Man 3.

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Reply #1437 on: October 02, 2015, 08:21:27 AM

If only you folks had Google to check whether your assumptions were more ass or more umption.

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Reply #1438 on: October 02, 2015, 08:52:56 AM

http://screenrant.com/marvel-studios-movies-tv-shows-rivalry-joss-whedon/

Nothing in this link or any stories linked contradict anything I have said.  It wasn't Whedon, now stop being ridiculous.

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Reply #1439 on: October 02, 2015, 09:05:52 AM

http://screenrant.com/marvel-studios-movies-tv-shows-rivalry-joss-whedon/

Nothing in this link or any stories linked contradict anything I have said.  It wasn't Whedon, now stop being ridiculous.
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Reply #1440 on: October 06, 2015, 07:05:59 PM

Another solid episode, but still basically setting everything up more. Not so much info dumping as much as opening the doors for later info dumps and plots.



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Reply #1441 on: October 07, 2015, 10:16:30 AM

There is more to her story to be told, but I was a bit disappointed that we did not get a debriefing of just some real basic questions.  I get the desire to preserve the mystery, but it makes no sense.

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Reply #1442 on: October 08, 2015, 10:05:13 AM

If it turns into another Fred in Illyria story, I'm out. 

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #1443 on: October 08, 2015, 10:17:05 AM

If it turns into another Fred in Illyria story, I'm out. 
In that they atleast stuck with Illyria until the series end instead of going back to Fred (but that was thanks to the series ending rather than a plot choice).
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Reply #1444 on: October 08, 2015, 12:45:55 PM

I liked the Ilyrria storyline on Angel.  I thought Acker did a good job with it. 

I do not think that is the direction for MAoS.  I'm curious where they'll go, but I do not think it'll be a possessed Simmons tale.


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Reply #1445 on: October 08, 2015, 12:58:57 PM

If it turns into another Fred in Illyria story, I'm out. 

That's exactly the vibe I got from this episode too, but I really hope they don't go that same route. I do, however, suspect that this will just be the latest in the continuing saga of why Fred & Wesley... er... Fitz & Simmons can't be together.

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Reply #1446 on: October 08, 2015, 01:46:43 PM

Having said what I said: It would be very interesting to me if they used this event as the starting point for a Secret Invasion storyline, especially if it built for 5 years or so and paid off after Phase 3 ended as a major storyline for Phase 4.  There are rights issues involved, but I could see it....

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Reply #1447 on: October 09, 2015, 09:47:50 AM

If it turns into another Fred in Illyria story, I'm out. 

Thanks for reminding me about the thing that ruined angel for me.  Dick.

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Reply #1448 on: October 28, 2015, 06:52:05 AM

Having now watch five episodes of season three I can say with certainty that cool super powers don't excuse soap opera caliber writing.

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Reply #1449 on: March 04, 2016, 11:57:06 AM

Coming back this next week... and coming back for season 4 next year (renewed today).

No word on Agent Carter yet. 

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Reply #1450 on: March 04, 2016, 12:03:16 PM

Coming back this next week... and coming back for season 4 next year (renewed today).

No word on Agent Carter yet. 

Atwell said they won't know til May upfronts about Agent Carter.  She also stated that ABC said she'll be able to shoot both shows if it does get picked up.
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Reply #1451 on: May 10, 2016, 08:51:10 PM

This "everyone has a purpose" crap is starting to veer into "Chosen One" territory.  And it's annoying.

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Reply #1452 on: May 10, 2016, 09:37:46 PM

This "everyone has a purpose" crap is starting to veer into "Chosen One" territory.  And it's annoying.

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Reply #1453 on: May 11, 2016, 03:42:04 AM

It's pretty dumb yes.

Shield in general has been beaten with a stupid stick most of this season.

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Reply #1454 on: May 11, 2016, 06:20:08 AM

The more they raise the stakes the more "why haven't they called the Avengers yet?" becomes an issue.

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Reply #1455 on: May 11, 2016, 07:05:24 AM

I wonder at what point the tv show was told "fuck it, you're on your own"

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Reply #1456 on: May 11, 2016, 09:55:07 AM

I wonder at what point the tv show was told "fuck it, you're on your own"

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Reply #1457 on: May 11, 2016, 09:58:03 AM

The more they raise the stakes the more "why haven't they called the Avengers yet?" becomes an issue.
At this point it is undeniable: The MCU is on the movie screen and the tv shows are fan fiction. They've wasted the opportunity. You don't need the Avengers on the show  to have continuity.  You just need coordination.


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Reply #1458 on: May 11, 2016, 03:17:12 PM

They keep doing the thing where they don't just shoot the problem. They have man power and resources and guns, use them.


No, we need to send in the face characters alone without weapons to get into fist fights!



They had started to shoot the problems in the previous seasons, sometimes. Then they forgot their guns can shoot more then tranqs again.

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Reply #1459 on: May 11, 2016, 08:32:52 PM

The more they raise the stakes the more "why haven't they called the Avengers yet?" becomes an issue.

Because comic books. It's just a trope of the genre, which is why the FF won't usually call in other heroes to help deal with Dr. Doom, or like when Spider-man takes on the entire Sinister Six by himself. Doesn't matter how potentially world ending the threat i, unless it's a crossover or the book needs a sales boost from guest stars.
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Reply #1460 on: May 11, 2016, 08:35:22 PM

Them killing the Inhumans movie is a sign shit's not going well. Although the little nod to Civil War in this latest episode was at least an attempt at continuity.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #1461 on: May 12, 2016, 12:01:57 AM

The Inhumans movie is not technically dead. It is just in hibernation . They say they still intend to make it, but want to insert a few other movies before it comes out. Regardless comma I doubt it will have more than a passing connection to the Inhumans we've already seen on TV. More than likely, the Inhumans in that movie, if and when it is made, will all be Inhumans that spawned from the Kree experiments way in the past and have a pedigree entirely separate from the Inhumans that have been created on the TV show.

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Reply #1462 on: May 12, 2016, 11:22:03 PM

They preemptively killed Marvel's Most Wanted so maybe Bobbi and Lance can come back in some way.

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Reply #1463 on: May 17, 2016, 11:15:10 PM

That was a very boring finale. I was very disappointed. It seems like this whole season has been a derailment to me. The only good news about Marvel on ABC is that they're developing other shows that may actually focus on powered Heroes rather than having three different spices. I think that's actually a better idea. After all, you can always put Agent Carter storylines into Agents of Shield episodes. I also like the idea of them moving agents of shield at 10 o'clock and taking some of the bubblegum off of the storytelling.

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Reply #1464 on: May 18, 2016, 12:09:55 AM

Very much disagree. This show does a lot of wheel spinning but when they want to do key episodes they bring it. 

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Reply #1465 on: May 18, 2016, 12:52:49 AM

Yeah I liked the finale myself.  It looks like they are gonna be shaking things up again for next season. 
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Reply #1466 on: May 18, 2016, 02:52:00 AM

You know you are in for a shit writing when it begins with a timer count going down to 5 seconds for no real reason at all (if the bad guys had gotten to the remote island 10 seconds earlier or if there had been a red light so Coulson would have been 10 seconds later on getting the codes etc etc)  swamp poop
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Reply #1467 on: May 18, 2016, 10:17:32 AM

They tried to create drama around who died, and then
They used a bunch of overused storytelling 'devices'. 

They shrugged their shoulders at the events of Cap III with a nod in one episode when it should change everything about the show (yet again). 

Daisy's actions throughout the episode were intended to create drama, but they made no sense. 

The Post Credit sting seems like a convenient way to bring back a few actors by midseason. 

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Reply #1468 on: May 18, 2016, 11:13:20 AM

I was underwhelmed by the finale. Like, the biggest feeling the episode generated for me was 'I'm glad that's over!'.


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Reply #1469 on: May 19, 2016, 07:20:08 PM

I liked the finale and even got a bit emotional over the death of the character (even though they'd really been spinning wheels with him for a while). The only really annoying bit was the hot potato/tag-you're-it switcheroo where they try to make you think it's going to be one character who dies and then NOPE, it's someone else. And they did it WAY too many times with an almost literal hot potato (cross). Other than that, I liked it. The addition of


next season and a new director should be interesting.

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