ANNOUNCEMENT: f13 Redesign.

[Numtini]

I rather like The Guild, I watch Tabletalk if its a game I'm interested in and if the book is really tacky or interesting looking, I'll toss Vaginal Fantasy on in the background. I guess I think of it like I do Dr. Who. I like it fine, but I can't see why people get all exercised either way over it.

[Lantyssa]

So what does Felica Day have to do with the redesign?  Is she going to be on our background images?

[schild]

Yes. Every goddamn page.

[Trippy]

I'm okay with that

[Ironwood]

Finally, we can apply the Ginger Pubes Template.

[lamaros]

TLDR: Some people say: Unless you're like me you can't be a nerd/geek, doubly so if you're attractive and a public figure. Also Paelos demonstrates even more ignorance about how easy it is to make a living being 'creative'.

I'm looking forward to the redesign.

[Paelos]

Also Paelos demonstrates even more ignorance about how easy it is to make a living being 'creative'.

You've trolled better than that before. C+ effort at best.

[lamaros]

I was being serious. Though Ingmar already went through the reasons so I just had the cheap shot left to me. :(

I guess I could add that acting, while no less cutthroat, is much larger, and doesn't require you to be 'good' (a stupid term - as entertaining isn't just determined by believability) at it to get ahead. You might not think she is a great actress, but she's certainly managed to do a decent job so far. Even if we think it's crap.

Also maybe she just doesn't love playing music enough to make it a career. Lots of people are good at stuff which they don't necessarily want to spend their life doing. She certainly seems to have been very motivated in pursuing an acting career.

[Merusk]

All that needs to be said is, as an actress you've heard of her.  As a musician you never would have.  Therefore she found a career she was more successful at, no matter your opinion of her ability at either.

[Yegolev]

If you measure success with the financial yardstick.

[Rendakor]

All that needs to be said is, as an actress you've heard of her.  As a musician you never would have.  Therefore she found a career she was more successful at, no matter your opinion of her ability at either.

That's because I'm much more interested in MMOs than classical music.

[lamaros]

If you measure success with the financial yardstick.

Anyone who is going to measure success by 'what a few nerds on the web think' is doomed from the start. I doubt she has much money, but that doesn't mean she doesn't life her life!

[Merusk]

She went in to acting, she's measuring "success" by finances and name-recognition.  Therefore, more successful.

[Azazel]

Well, this thread sure got interesting. I guess the good news is that it reminded me to catch up on Zero Punctuation, and I'm going to look at Shut Up Sit Down as well. I don't mind the odd episode of Tabletop, but more so I can see how the games actually play, mechanically. Wheaton is okay, but Felecia herself does a bit too much of the "I'm a girl!" eyelid-battling, so she tends to annoy me. As for how legit her gamer-cred is though, it makes me laugh and think of Aisha Tyler's Gamer Manifesto, or whatever the fuck it's called.

[Samwise]

Felecia herself does a bit too much of the "I'm a girl!" eyelid-battling, so she tends to annoy me. As for how legit her gamer-cred is though, it makes me laugh and think of Aisha Tyler's Gamer Manifesto, or whatever the fuck it's called.

I don't think anyone in this thread questioned her "gamer cred" -- I think we're all smart enough to know there's no such thing.  It's the "I'm a girl!" that grates on some, as it does on you.

[Tebonas]

I really don't care all that much about Felicia Day beside her red hair and my redhead fetish, but generally Nerd culture should be about inclusion, not exclusion.

Why does anybody give a fuck who calls himself a nerd. Do we really need purity tests? People spend money on dumb shit all the time, especially here. She is just one more outlet to spend that money on, shes that "cute girl next door" gone internet. If its a big surprise to you that works, you don't know all that much about heterosexual human males.

Personally I rather give my money to Schild on the promise he'll never sleep with me, but thats just me.  

[K9]

From the academic side of things BBT seems pretty accurate to me  

Also, I love that show, but not as much as I loved scrubs, not even close.

[Samwise]

Nerd culture should be about inclusion, not exclusion.

I hear this exact sentence quite a lot, and every time I wonder if the person has ever actually met any nerds.  

[Tebonas]

Including somebody so that you can make fun of their even weirder hobby is inclusion nontheless! 

[lamaros]

'[subculture] should be about inclusion!'

[UnSub]

'[subculture] should be about inclusion!'

"Except for those people who like [variation of subculture]. Fuck those guys."

[Venkman]

I really don't care all that much about Felicia Day beside her red hair and my redhead fetish, but generally Nerd culture should be about inclusion, not exclusion.

A nice conceit, but I can't think of any nerd topic that's ever sustained an inclusive culture. All I ever see is that the first period is when the rules for being considered <nerd of topic X>, everyone's invited. But once there's rules, it becomes like any other stupid religion or political party, with made up shit specifically intended to let the masters continue their dominance and using exclusionary tactics to keep out the non conformists.

I try not to take most things too seriously though, because especially nerd culture stuff, it's all made up shit. All of it isn't worth anywhere near the angst some people put into them, especially when that effort generally links in some way to exclusionary practices.

[Scold]

I really don't care all that much about Felicia Day beside her red hair and my redhead fetish, but generally Nerd culture should be about inclusion, not exclusion.

A nice conceit, but I can't think of any nerd topic that's ever sustained an inclusive culture. All I ever see is that the first period is when the rules for being considered <nerd of topic X>, everyone's invited. But once there's rules, it becomes like any other stupid religion or political party, with made up shit specifically intended to let the masters continue their dominance and using exclusionary tactics to keep out the non conformists.

I try not to take most things too seriously though, because especially nerd culture stuff, it's all made up shit. All of it isn't worth anywhere near the angst some people put into them, especially when that effort generally links in some way to exclusionary practices.

You guys keep using 'nerd' when you mean 'geek'. I've started interacting a lot more with the San Francisco techie/burner/maker community a lot more in the last couple of years, and they're gloriously 'nerdy' in every sense you can possibly imagine -- Ph.Ds in theoretical physics or neurolinguistics or whateverthefuck in spades -- and yet also gloriously inclusive in every sense (gender, LGBT, socioeconomics, fame/status hierarchies, you name it).

It's only when you move from "my claim to fame is building prototype UUVs for humanitarian relief missions" to "my claim to fame is a series of very angrily argued message board posts about Firefly" that you get the lack of inclusivity many people are noting here.

Being geeky is fine, it's wonderful even, so long as you can layer it as gravy on top of an otherwise happy and functional life. But geeks who aren't nerds or something else first and foremost, who are all about geekiness as their main thing tend to be The Worst. Because someone who's first and foremost a geek tends to be someone who hasn't done much with their lives, and as people who haven't done much with their lives age, they tend to be all about whinging about others as their primary form of identity-construction.

So, sup with the redesign?

[schild]

I had shit that had to get done on Sunday, had planned to wrap things up then. Pushed it to tomorrow-ish. I want to dig into the rest of it this week. Including titles.

[Ingmar]

I really don't care all that much about Felicia Day beside her red hair and my redhead fetish, but generally Nerd culture should be about inclusion, not exclusion.

A nice conceit, but I can't think of any nerd topic that's ever sustained an inclusive culture. All I ever see is that the first period is when the rules for being considered <nerd of topic X>, everyone's invited. But once there's rules, it becomes like any other stupid religion or political party, with made up shit specifically intended to let the masters continue their dominance and using exclusionary tactics to keep out the non conformists.

I try not to take most things too seriously though, because especially nerd culture stuff, it's all made up shit. All of it isn't worth anywhere near the angst some people put into them, especially when that effort generally links in some way to exclusionary practices.

You guys keep using 'nerd' when you mean 'geek'. I've started interacting a lot more with the San Francisco techie/burner/maker community a lot more in the last couple of years, and they're gloriously 'nerdy' in every sense you can possibly imagine -- Ph.Ds in theoretical physics or neurolinguistics or whateverthefuck in spades -- and yet also gloriously inclusive in every sense (gender, LGBT, socioeconomics, fame/status hierarchies, you name it).

It's only when you move from "my claim to fame is building prototype UUVs for humanitarian relief missions" to "my claim to fame is a series of very angrily argued message board posts about Firefly" that you get the lack of inclusivity many people are noting here.

Being geeky is fine, it's wonderful even, so long as you can layer it as gravy on top of an otherwise happy and functional life. But geeks who aren't nerds or something else first and foremost, who are all about geekiness as their main thing tend to be The Worst. Because someone who's first and foremost a geek tends to be someone who hasn't done much with their lives, and as people who haven't done much with their lives age, they tend to be all about whinging about others as their primary form of identity-construction.

So, sup with the redesign?

That inclusiveness you're experiencing has a lot more to do with San Francisco than it does with nerds, geeks, dorks, or whatever. You don't have to look very far to find examples of Ph. Ds excluding and/or harrassing women at conferences, etc.

[lamaros]

People can obsess about nerdy TV shows and still be open friendly nice people. Stop making stupid generalizations.

Also: I'm sure there are heaps of arseholes in SF too.

[Brofellos]

I had shit that had to get done on Sunday, had planned to wrap things up then. Pushed it to tomorrow-ish. I want to dig into the rest of it this week. Including titles.

Way too busy thinking about the impact Fudge will have this season.

[Samwise]

[Rasix]

[Yegolev]

[Evildrider]

[Pagz]

[ezrast]

[Scold]

[satael]