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Reply #420 on: March 10, 2015, 03:44:30 PM

Just a reminder to folks; if you would like to play with the current small group of f13ers, send us a friend request in game, and a tell if you see us live. I'm Engels777 in game and I'm normally on after 7 pm PST weekdays and throughout the weekend.
I keep logging on an hour after you leave. Stop that!

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Reply #421 on: March 10, 2015, 08:46:48 PM

Alias is KallDrexx.

Played for a good bit tonight.  I like how it feels like there are multiple paths to the objective, and seems pretty good at rewarding you for taking the hidden paths, or at least I assume so.  I keep opening all the containers but haven't really realized if they give you anything but ammo and health.  I have no idea if the mods I get at the end are things I picked up or if it's just mission completion rewards.

I apparently suck at shooters lately, or I just haven't played any in a while.  Still had fun so far, only 3 missions in though.   I spent 15 minutes trying to figure out how to equip the mods I got as a reward to the first mission until I gave up.  Turns out the next mission got me the ship functionality to actually equip mods, weeeee.

Is there any way to increase the fonts for the chat window and the general HUD?  It's hard as shit to read anything at 1080p when playing from the couch.
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Reply #422 on: March 10, 2015, 09:43:46 PM

Alias is KallDrexx.

Played for a good bit tonight.  I like how it feels like there are multiple paths to the objective, and seems pretty good at rewarding you for taking the hidden paths, or at least I assume so.  I keep opening all the containers but haven't really realized if they give you anything but ammo and health.  I have no idea if the mods I get at the end are things I picked up or if it's just mission completion rewards.
You will get other stuff in containers so keep opening them. Also there are "lockers" with green lights you can open by standing in front and pressing 'X'. You get mods from picking them up off the ground and also sometimes as mission rewards. The ones you get from the ground flash their card on your screen for a bit.

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Is there any way to increase the fonts for the chat window and the general HUD?  It's hard as shit to read anything at 1080p when playing from the couch.
The UI in this game sucks really really badly, unfortunately. Under Gameplay there's a Large Chat Text option which doesn't much and under HUD there's a UI Scale bar that you can drag though even when it's at the largest setting it's still not that large.
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Reply #423 on: March 10, 2015, 09:52:00 PM

Trippy beat me to it so - yeah the UI, specifically the chat UI is fuck awful.  The large text option will help a bit but...it's pretty ugly.

Modwise, well anything you pickup in a mision really, just hold on to it.  Even after 400+ hours of playing I tend to hoard mods.  At your level you never know what you might need later so just pick up everything.  You won't run out of (that type) inventory space. 

As for containers - this kinda gets into a playstyle discussion.  Painting in broad strokes here but there's a couple kinds of players in missions: speed runners (just get to the objective!) and looters / explorers.  If you're soloing go ahead and loot every damn locker and container.  There's a small chance you might get a mod, but you need every little bit of resource you can get at this point so why not hit all the containers while you're in mission.  I'm a looter myself so maybe I'm biased but hey.

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Reply #424 on: March 11, 2015, 09:22:22 AM

Hit the containers. They're worth it. Especially in the void (while it's still around).

There are rare types of containers that will have high rank fusion cores, cash, possibly mods, and boosters. They are rare and tend to spawn in very out of the way places, so explore. Also: orokitties.

There are often multiple paths through missions, particularly spy and rescue missions. They are procedurally generated, so this varies to some degree, but look for ways around things. Damaged or open ventilation gratings are the usual clue there might be another way to approach a problem. Look up as well, particularly in grineer tilesets and Jupiter gas cities. There are often rooms above the main corridors and they often have extensions that aren't readily visible.  There can be some serious verticality in the void, so look up.
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Reply #425 on: March 11, 2015, 11:19:29 AM

I did notice the containers activated in non-main pathways.  Definitely enjoyed the fact that it encouraged me to explore, although it's painfully obvious the procedural generation re-uses "tiles" a lot, which at one point made me think I got turned around going "wait didn't I already go through here".
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Reply #426 on: March 12, 2015, 08:52:47 AM

You should have seen it when they had all of two or three tile sets and they hadn't added any new rooms to those.

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #427 on: March 16, 2015, 12:50:42 PM

I've managed to unlock 7 of the 12 locked planets (not counting Mercury) doing the intermittent pug thing.
Up to 9/12 now. It's nice being able to host some higher-level alerts now instead of always begging on Recruiting.

Funny moment of the weekend was doing a Nightmare mod alert with 3 Trinities and a Limbo and all three of us Trinities went down trying to revive each other* and had to be saved by the Limbo.

* I died even with Quick Thinking, ah well.
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Reply #428 on: March 16, 2015, 12:57:26 PM

In nightmares, I tend to just accept that odds are high that i'm going to be eating one more more revives, even on trinity, since trying to save people can end very badly for actually completing the mission.
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Reply #429 on: March 16, 2015, 12:59:42 PM

I was going to switch to Valkyr but they started the countdown too fast. Next time I might try it with Frost just for fun.

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Reply #430 on: March 16, 2015, 01:01:25 PM

I decided I was going to give Loki a shot with stealth invisible running through the unfinished spy/deception/rescue missions I was leaving open. Surprisingly, it went really well once I got used to the timer on invis. Even plowed through all of my Tower level 1 and 2 keys solo. Of course, I run Valk through the exterminate and sabotage ones, and mirage for the defense missions and Frost for the mobile def. But Loki is starting to become my go to. Ended by farming with Nekros and now that he is 30, desecrate is just like getting a free turn. Managed to actually find Rage in one of the missions - Saturn I think (which ever Saturn or Jupiter that is Grineer).  That made me pee a little from the excitement.  

Tried to solo a high level nightmare with Valk. Never even got hysteria fired off before I got 2 shot - one shot shield then the other -700hp. Damn corpus. I think the debuff was a timer where your kills add time to it.

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Reply #431 on: March 16, 2015, 08:06:15 PM

Sadly, I haven't been able to play this much due to school and work. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks some more free time should open up for me.

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Reply #432 on: March 16, 2015, 09:42:17 PM

I haven't figured out what to make of this game yet.

The idea sounds really cool, and I really enjoyed the Vor's quest missions that I played solo.  Now that I beat those it definitely seems like things are hard as shit solo.  Wasted 3 revives until someone joined me for my next earth mission.  I actually wouldn't have been that bad but it was a scavenger rmission and the mobs literally wouldn't stop spawning and heading towards me, so much so othat I wasn't even able to leave the entrance till people joined.

I then did 3 missions with pugs, which literally consisted of me chasing down empty corridors cause everyone else is on fast as fuck speed while I"m at meh speed (apparently).  Next thing I know they are at the extraction site and I'm just trying to catch up, not getting there before the mission completed.  Zero chance for exploration or even findng loot.

I then was playing around in my ship and tried to leave my squad.  I notice there's a "rank up button" there.  Sure why not.  So I click it and go to some trial thing.  Apparently I suck at it (even though my frame and weapons are all at rank 10) because I failed it, not because I died but I couldn't kill things fast enough (and how can I with 3 flying healers all forming a healing circle around themselves and constantly running behind walls.

I think I've got a good handle on the excalibur's powers, and using shield dash + blind comobinations.  Of course then I start whacking people with my bo staff and I feel like I barely do any damage.  Also, I have yet to figure out where on the UI it tells me when I have enough energy to use my abilities, usually leaving me in a bad position.  I also can't figure out if I should be using melee or just leaving it for a last resort.

I find the idea behind the game interesting, and the solo easieir missions were fun, but I feel like I just don't get something.
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Reply #433 on: March 16, 2015, 11:35:49 PM

The game is unfortunately very newbie unfriendly. The tutorial is better than nothing but it still doesn't really explain how to progress in the game. The main thing to know is that your warframe rank by itself only has a small effect on its overall effectiveness (your shield, health and energy max will increase somewhat) and on weapons rank by itself has no effect at all. The way you get "stronger" in the game is by modding your warframes and weapons and by acquiring more mods, warframes and weapons (the warframes aren't all equal in effectiveness depending on the mission and some weapons are outright better than others). The rank determines how many "points" worth of mods you can put in your stuff, but again, by itself, has little to no effect. Mods also have their own ranks and the higher the rank on the mod the more powerful the effect (and the higher the points cost).

So to get stronger you basically have to grind missions to get more mods and then use the fusion process (which requires credits and other mods) to rank up the mods. Getting a warframe or weapon to max rank is quick relative to the time it takes to acquire and rank up the mods you need to do the highest difficulty content. Buying platinum can shorten this process a little but you end up being limited by credits rather than platinum at that point so you still need to grind missions.

The Wikia is quite good and I recommend referring to it often and Warframe subreddit has some good newbie guides.

I recommend that your first high-level goal should be to unlock enough of the sectors on Venus so you can reach Fossa which is the boss fight. Do not try and fight the boss on your own at first. It shouldn't be that hard to find a group that's fighting the boss, though. As a reward for completing the mission you get a component blueprint to build a Rhino part. There are 3 part blueprints that you'll need (systems, helmet, chassis) but it's random which blueprint you get as a reward so you may have to kill the boss a bunch of times. You may also need to farm a bit for the resources and credits you'll need to build all the parts. After the parts are built you'll need to buy the blueprint for Rhino from the market and then with that and the built components you can actual build Rhino. Rhino has an ability called Iron Skin which basically makes the early game easy mode as that makes Rhino super-tanky while it lasts.

Lagging behind other people in a group is going to be the norm for a while. I'm still usually one of the last people to make it extraction when I'm PuGing after playing pretty regularly for about a month now. You will get better as you learn the maps ("tile sets" in WF nomenclature since the maps are actually assembled procedurally so there's a large number of variations per tile set). The thing you'll need to practice, besides learning how the tile sets typically fit together, is how to "copter". This is how most of the other players are moving so quickly through the map (some warframes have movement powers which can get them through maps quickly without coptering).

Don't be afraid to set your matchmaking to Solo so that you can take your time to learn things. The best mission types for a solo newbie are Exterminate and Sabotage. The others will likely be too difficult without some experience with how the mission type works. Of the early mission types I would put them into tiers from easiest (1) to hardest (4) and in each tier the missions are listed as easiest to hardest (so in tier 2 Capture is easier than Spy).

1: Exterminate, Sabotage
2: Capture, Spy (watch some "Spy 2.0" videos), Deception, Rescue
3: Survival (watch some videos on how life support works), Defense, Mobile Defense
4: Excavation, Interception

As for whether or not to melee I love smacking things in the face personally (some missions I'll do melee-only in fact) but you just have to experiment to see which is faster (and safer). The nice thing about melee attacks is that they will often prevent your target from attacking back, at least temporarily (basically it'll interrupt some types of attacks), so if that's the only thing attacking you you can often beat on it to death without taking any damage in return. That doesn't work so well though when there are multiple things attacking you.
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Reply #434 on: March 17, 2015, 05:50:01 AM

I'll look up how to unlock venus, right now I only have mercury unlocked.  I was trying to unlock all of earth before moving on but it's sounding like that's not the way to go.

How do you even put yourself in solo mode?  I didn't notice that option but that could be due to the fact that everything is small as crap on 1080p on my tv (I guess I should probably lower the resolution for this game just for UI purposes). 

When it says a mission is level 1-6, what does that actually mean?  For some reason I was assuming that was talking how easy it is, but writing that out I'm having second thoughts and assuming now that's just the level id (like mario levels).  Or maybe I'm just confusing myself more.

Good to know that mods are what are important, I guess that makes sense.

In that video for the copter, I"m assuming E is melee attack (Ii moved mine to Q, I found not having E bound to use awkward).

Thanks for the feedback, that makes things make a bit more sense about how to progress from here.
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Reply #435 on: March 17, 2015, 06:32:34 AM

There's a drop down list on the top left when you are looking at missions. It defaults to "public" but you can put it to "friends only" or "invite only" if you want to solo. Like all mission based games PUG tends to be about maximum efficiency, so while it's fun with friends in a hectic way (or beating an alert) I like the more tactical feel of a challenging solo mission.

Defense, Mobile Defense and Interception are generally impossible solo from what I've seen. Most of the others are doable with practice, mods and an appropriate frame. Extermination are easiest because the number of opponents is not infinite.

The mission level is the level of the mobs AFAIK. So it will increase their health, damage and the variety of elite mobs you start to see.

There's two melee keys. A quick attack and another which makes your melee your primary weapon which allows parrying (took me a while to realise that). I'm pretty bad at the mobility tricks but the veterans will copter, wall-jump and slide-jump to speed through missions.

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Reply #436 on: March 17, 2015, 09:09:05 AM

I'll look up how to unlock venus, right now I only have mercury unlocked.  I was trying to unlock all of earth before moving on but it's sounding like that's not the way to go.
Kill the boss on Mercury and you'll be able to unlock Mars and Venus. If you are having issues with the difficulty on Mercury it's fine to stay on Earth but just do the mission types that you can handle (e.g. just do the Exterminate 1-3 or Exterminate 3-5 missions) rather than try to unlock everything right now (which you can't even do even if you wanted to cause one of them is an Archwing mission which you can't enter yet).

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How do you even put yourself in solo mode?  I didn't notice that option but that could be due to the fact that everything is small as crap on 1080p on my tv (I guess I should probably lower the resolution for this game just for UI purposes). 
In settings there's a UI scale slider. Dragging it all the way to the right helps a bit but things will still be pretty small.

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When it says a mission is level 1-6, what does that actually mean?  For some reason I was assuming that was talking how easy it is, but writing that out I'm having second thoughts and assuming now that's just the level id (like mario levels).  Or maybe I'm just confusing myself more.
That level information does give an indication how difficult the enemies will be. However enemy levels do not correlate to warframe or weapon ranks. So don't think that if your frame and weapons are at say, rank 15 that you can take on a level 10-15 mission by yourself right now. Again it's the mods you have equppied that mostly matter at this point.

Enemy levels in the "endless" mission types (defense, survival, interception, excavation) will keep inreasing beyond the range listed so even if they start out low, like in the Earth 1-6 defense mission they can get very tough if you stay for multiple waves. Don't be afraid to bug out after the first or second "leave point" on these types of missions so you get your drops and mission rewards. Note that for survival and excavation at least half the team has to make it to extraction for the mission to end successfully so if you want to leave early but the others don't that can be an issue. Early on that makes defense the "safest" one to pug since even with just two people you should be able to get through the first 5 waves and then leave.
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Reply #437 on: March 17, 2015, 09:14:57 AM

Defense, Mobile Defense and Interception are generally impossible solo from what I've seen. Most of the others are doable with practice, mods and an appropriate frame. Extermination are easiest because the number of opponents is not infinite.
As mentioned in some earlier posts it is possible to solo these even with a low ranked waframe and weapons with crappy mods but it takes practice.
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Reply #438 on: March 17, 2015, 10:02:34 AM

Another thing I forgot to mention in my first reply is if you are using Mk1 weapons you should replace those ASAP. Go to the market and buy blueprints for the non-Mk1 versions or one of the other low blueprint cost/low resource cost weapons* and craft those.

* You'll want something that only requires resources you can get from Earth and Mercury currently
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Reply #439 on: March 17, 2015, 10:08:30 AM

Not sure how things are over on PC, but on PS4, there is ALWAYS a public group on Mercury Apollwtfname? (the survival mission) which I use faithfully to level up a frame and/or weapons to about 8 before moving to jupiter or saturn for more XP. Leveling stuff seems to work really fast doing survival, defense, and mobile defense missions. The caveat is sometimes you get into a survival PuG with guys that want to run 30-40 minutes - which is fine, but a level 8-10 frame with 8-10 weapons is going to be sunk when the mobs get into the 30-40 range. If that is not your cup of tea, just hit the defense mission on mercury and you can choose to bail whenever, but I'd usually recommend staying till wave 20 for a Void key if your group stays...never stay alone past level 10 when leveling a frame / weapons. Mobile defense if you can swing a pug for them are the best xp per time invested since it is just mass chaos of waves and waves of mobs - and it is time limited so you are not fully stuck for 30-40 minutes as you would in a survival mission.

Mercury is my go to because there are always PuGs on the survival and defense missions, the mobs are grineer which I feel are easier to handle with unmodded stuff, and the levels are low enough to get through efficiently.

Considering Vauben's helmet finally went to alert this morning right before work, I'll be running this routine Saturday to level him up...finally. Been waiting for this piece since I started playing and got his chassis the second day. Got a little worried as this girl I am seeing came over last night and the systems alert fired off around midnight. I figured the helmet would either hit at an inopportune time or right after I left for work, but luckily it hit during my morning coffee. So nice to have it out of the way.

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Reply #440 on: March 17, 2015, 10:16:00 AM

I love the Earth Extraction mission, personally. Doing 10 extractions, which doesn't take that long if you are doing two at once, will yield ~40 mods. I spent a lot of time there in February ranking stuff up and farming for mods.

Edit: more accurately killing all the incoming mobs while waiting for the 10 extractions will yield a ton a mods
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Reply #441 on: March 17, 2015, 10:25:14 AM

Once you have a something that can carry you through a mid teens mission: Sedna - Kappa is great for leveling.  Warning, however, there be bombards.  Mod for corrosive (gunners) or radiation (bombards), and you'll do well.   Plus, there's usually some guy geared to the gills in your squad that could solo it.

This is how I'm leveling my frost prime and my amprex when I slot a new forma on it.

Banshee is next on the list.  Her kit looks awesome.

edit: PST sucks.  Everyone's asleep when I get on now.  Tantrum
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Reply #442 on: March 17, 2015, 10:40:18 AM

https://twitter.com/PlayWarframe/status/577848637708959745

Also leaving the tower rotation is the latron prime and reaper prime (I still need to build this). 

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Reply #443 on: March 17, 2015, 11:41:11 AM

Oh, definitely work on getting a Latron Prime.  It's one of the best general purpose prime weapons, and relatively easy to get compared to some.

I wonder if that means Loki is going to take the place of Frost.

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Reply #444 on: March 17, 2015, 11:46:28 AM

edit: PST sucks.  Everyone's asleep when I get on now.  Tantrum

Yeah, sorry, I just haven't been playing anything lately.  Got really sick at the end of last week.  I should be on again more soon.

edit:  Oh hell, i need to finish my reaper prime soon then.
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Reply #445 on: March 17, 2015, 11:54:07 AM

Oh, definitely work on getting a Latron Prime.  It's one of the best general purpose prime weapons, and relatively easy to get compared to some.

I wonder if that means Loki is going to take the place of Frost.

If you're on PC, it seems like every member of the Evil Chickens (except me) has a full set of this just lying around.

It's a good gun; it just never really caught on with me like the tiberon or amprex.  I need to finish leveling it and toss a potato on it to see how it really does. 

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Reply #446 on: March 17, 2015, 12:04:37 PM

I love the Earth Extraction mission, personally. Doing 10 extractions, which doesn't take that long if you are doing two at once, will yield ~40 mods. I spent a lot of time there in February ranking stuff up and farming for mods.

Edit: more accurately killing all the incoming mobs while waiting for the 10 extractions will yield a ton a mods


Excavation? I think that is where you are going... and I fully agree, Cambria is very lucrative and I take my Nekros there frequently to farm Neurodes. You can definitely get a ton of shit out of that place, and if you have an AoE gun like my prized possession 6 forma's Amprex.... then playing there is god like. The only problem is that map is so hard to get around in.

And son of a bitch... I'll never get any of those prime things before they go. I really wanted the reaper too...

I can't really do much after T3 because nullifiers are fuck stupid and I can only deal with a few that appear in the extermination missions. All the other ones just thump me.

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Reply #447 on: March 17, 2015, 12:11:55 PM

Now that I am thinking about it, if they are shelving Frosty and the Latron and Reaper, I wonder what they are going to release in those tables... Valkyr Prime would be heaven.

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Reply #448 on: March 17, 2015, 12:20:16 PM

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Reply #449 on: March 17, 2015, 12:25:55 PM


Yeah that does ring a few bells... Meh. I don't really dig Volt and have 0 interest. I just hope they get the PC patch version out on PS4 soon because no way in hell am I farming beacons for Hek just to get Hydroid - even though I really would like to take him for a test drive. WONDER TWINS POWER....ACTIVATE! Form of....a puddle!

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Reply #450 on: March 17, 2015, 12:27:31 PM

Umm...the Stolen Dreams patch it out RIGHT NOW for the PS4 (Xbox One was apparently delayed a bit).
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Reply #451 on: March 17, 2015, 02:05:23 PM

If you're on PC, it seems like every member of the Evil Chickens (except me) has a full set of this just lying around.

It's a good gun; it just never really caught on with me like the tiberon or amprex.  I need to finish leveling it and toss a potato on it to see how it really does. 
The standard or the prime?  If it's the standard then don't put a catalyst on it.  I think I have all the parts for a prime you're welcome to.  (Though I'm out on business all week, so won't happen until the weekend or later.)

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #452 on: March 17, 2015, 02:13:14 PM

Umm...the Stolen Dreams patch it out RIGHT NOW for the PS4 (Xbox One was apparently delayed a bit).


I heard this... I am heading home to update. I got Vauban's helmet baking and should start his warframe in the oven tonight and have him leveling by Saturday. Hopefully, they uncoupled Hek from his beacon key hell and I can work on hydroid this week as well. Gotta fill those two empty frame slots.   DRILLING AND MANLINESS

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Reply #453 on: March 17, 2015, 02:16:15 PM

Hek is still a PITA even without the keying, though I suppose on the PS4 it'll be popular so it won't be hard to find a group, unlike on the PC.
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Reply #454 on: March 17, 2015, 02:22:25 PM

If you're on PC, it seems like every member of the Evil Chickens (except me) has a full set of this just lying around.

It's a good gun; it just never really caught on with me like the tiberon or amprex.  I need to finish leveling it and toss a potato on it to see how it really does. 
The standard or the prime?  If it's the standard then don't put a catalyst on it.  I think I have all the parts for a prime you're welcome to.  (Though I'm out on business all week, so won't happen until the weekend or later.)

Prime.  I think Engels had like 4 complete sets lying around. 

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