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Topic: [Steam, free] Warframe: mission based fps that is unique and damn fun. (Read 379032 times)
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Shrike
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I've been playing both.
I prefer Warframe overall. Destiny is more tightly balanced (or you could say actually has some balance) where WF is pretty much the anything-goes-wild-west sort of game.
I could give a fuck about PvP, so a large part of Destiny holds no interest for me. That's a problem with the game as it stands at present. Also, lack of communication. You can't talk to anyone. Without a way to organize strikes in the game, another huge chunk of content is unavailable to someone that just wants to log in and play a bit and see some progression. So you end up solo and that's...underwhelming, to put it mildly.
Anyway, enough of Destiny. Nyx Prime just hit WF and there's a tactical alert this weekend. The TAs are usually fun, but DE has taken to gating them through conclave rating which is as puzzling as it is annoying. Archewing (U15) is close on the horizon and should bring some open world elements with spaceflight and heavy weapons--and shooting up Balor Fomorians...from both inside and outside.
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Engels
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So I've started playing this again with my TS mates. Its significantly evolved from what I've heard. Still, the ingame documentation is ass, but there are wikis out there for the game. Surprisingly deep for a coop shooter.
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I should get back to nature, too. You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer. Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached. Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe
I LIKE being bounced around by Tonkors. - Lantyssa
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Shrike
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They still need to integrate Archwing into the rest of the game, but it's "around the corner."
Player hubs are in testing. One is provisionally open to players at MR10 and above (and founders, of course). Haven't visited myself, but maybe tonight after a few beers.
New primes will be out here in a few weeks. Rumor is it'll be Nova (?), the Soma, and the Vasto. Can't figure Nova, but, eh, it is what it is.
It still has a helluva learning curve and ingame info is spotty (lots better than when I started, but that's not saying much). The community has grown a lot (you can read that as it now has hot and cold running jackholes in region more often than not) and can be very helpful, if you can filter out the random bullshit on evenings and weekends.
Still having fun myself. That's all the really counts.
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Draegan
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I'm going to check this out for shits and giggles. Are any of the packs you can buy through steam worth it?
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Hoax
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Warframe is the easiest game to not spend any money in out of all the F2P's I've ever tried. I've made something like 300 plat without ever trying just trading away extra mods that take some work to get and selling off some prime parts. I looked at the packs and they look terrible. Some people really do hate feeling not powerful and you will feel that way at first in Warframe. If that's how you feel after finishing the first planet (Mercury) then buy some plat. Just make sure you get the daily login rewards each day as you can pretty easily get a 25% or 50% coupon for buying Plat and I believe there is a very rare 75% off one. But if you can get 25% off go to https://warframe.com/buyplatinum and buy the $20 package for $15 and that should be enough to jumpstart some stuff. Really though Warframe is a grind to grind more game unless you get into the pvp stuff so short cutting things is inadvisable if you were to ask me. The good reasons to get plat is for colors and other visual customization (armor, scarves, special robot buddies etc), to skip a grind later in the game bc you don't feel like it or to unlock more frame and weapon slots so you can collect more things while you grind. Also like any game as a newb everything seems fun and good but once you've tasted/seen the actually powerful stuff 95% of the equipment in the game becomes junk. So rushing to skip the newb experience seems a bit silly. If you do hate dying and losing and you are doing those things I'm sure someone from here can taxi you to farm Rhino (which will stop the dying) and trade you some of the basic mods you need to start leveling up.
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« Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 05:53:08 PM by Hoax »
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koro
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I'm going to check this out for shits and giggles. Are any of the packs you can buy through steam worth it? No. The Steam packs are awful value. Even at the $20 level (and the value gets worse from there), the difference of 170 plat between the Steam pack and just buying straight-up plat from DE is not worth 50,000 credits (which you will blow through instantly and can re-acquire in an hour) and 4 random mods picked from a massive pool of utter garbage. Likewise, affinity boosters do you little to no good at low levels. Also if you play the game a bit and find you enjoy it, join a clan ASAP. Roughly half the weapons and a non-trivial amount of actual Frames in the game are only craftable if you're in a clan with everything researched. The good reasons to get plat is for colors and other visual customization, to skip a grind later in the game bc you don't feel like it or to unlock more frame and weapon slots so you can collect more things while you grind. The only way to buy new slots for weapons and frames is through platinum as well. Similarly, expanding the mod slot capacity for weapons and frames is easiest done through spending 20 plat per thing, and you're basically gimping yourself if you do not.
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« Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 04:22:00 PM by koro »
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Shrike
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Rule of thumb is spend your starter plat on slots. Buy one warframe slot, then spend the rest on weapons slots (you'll get 2).
This will allow a bit of room to expand in.
ONLY spend plat on slots or cosmetics if you truly want to look a bit different. Some impatient folks will spend plat on new 'frames to avoid the grind for them, but you're basically skipping gameplay. I was sorely tempted to buy Nyx Prime when she came out (and once I saw where her parts dropped), but refrained and farmed her up in a bit less than a week (was a bit lucky, but you get the idea).
If you want to buy plat, wait for a login reward. 20% is common, 50% considerably less so, 75% I've never seen, but it exists. They (DE) occasionally have holiday sales for platinum (Black Friday 50% off, for example). Buy a big chunk and then you'll be set for quite a while, unless you go full retard on cosmetics. If you're standing around in the hub or in a random mission and you see a warframe with a scarf, various gewgaws with particle effects and/or exotic colors--that's a player that has spent money on cosmetics. It can be pretty...overwhelming. Tenno with a firm hand on their wallet are a good deal more pedestrian looking, but it has nothing to do with effectiveness.
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koro
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If you play Warframe on Steam, you can also get some various and sundry cosmetic bits for incredibly cheap from the community trading page. I've gotten the Rubedo stuff from last year for like... $0.10 for the whole shebang.
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Engels
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Got the clan playing this now. I even uploaded our fancy Evil Chickens clan logo and now it shows up on banners throughout the clan Dojo. Its little details like this that tickle me about the game.
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I should get back to nature, too. You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer. Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached. Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe
I LIKE being bounced around by Tonkors. - Lantyssa
Babies shooting themselves in the head is the state bird of West Virginia. - schild
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01101010
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Downloaded this for my PS4 because free... god damn it.
I really was not expecting the depth of the stuff in this game or the complete frustration at trying to figure shit out - like weapons and mods and enemies and... ugh. Game just makes me want to quit and run away screaming - which just makes me want to play more.
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Does any one know where the love of God goes...When the waves turn the minutes to hours? -G. Lightfoot
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Falconeer
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Serious question I asked a lot of people before and I want to ask you too considering you played that one: compared to Destiny?
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Rasix
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Downloaded this for my PS4 because free... god damn it.
I really was not expecting the depth of the stuff in this game or the complete frustration at trying to figure shit out - like weapons and mods and enemies and... ugh. Game just makes me want to quit and run away screaming - which just makes me want to play more.
Play it for the PC. We've got a good group going. They even convinced me to speak. "WHAT WAS THAT?? OHH GOD HIS NAME LIT UP" I at least hope you have someone to play with. This game is miserable to solo in. That being said, public matchmaking seems to work somewhat.
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« Last Edit: February 02, 2015, 04:27:35 PM by Rasix »
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Lantyssa
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Serious question I asked a lot of people before and I want to ask you too considering you played that one: compared to Destiny?
I haven't played Destiny, so this is second-hand. It's faster paced and more customized since there are a few dozen frames that can play very differently from one another and a ton of unique weapons and hundreds of mods. The combat parkour is a blast, too.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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01101010
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Serious question I asked a lot of people before and I want to ask you too considering you played that one: compared to Destiny?
IMHO - the short of it: Destiny has the shooting mechanics and feel of your character in the world. Everything has a bit of weight to it in the world. However, the game is fairly shallow in customization. Paid DLCs and expansions get you access to the toys. Warframe has so much depth in building your warframe and weapons, there is a sort of metagame in it. The shooty bits are passable - but you feel weightless. Everything happens much faster and it is overwhelming the majority of time for a new player. Toys have paywalls (either time or real world money). Both worlds are highly repetitive. Both are scant on knowledge of wtf to do in the game - though warframe has a better ingame codex to explain stuff. But the majority of info still comes from online sources.
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Does any one know where the love of God goes...When the waves turn the minutes to hours? -G. Lightfoot
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Going to give this a try. Wiki seems to think Excalibur is the best noob frame- is that what I should start with?
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Rasix
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Going to give this a try. Wiki seems to think Excalibur is the best noob frame- is that what I should start with?
It's easy enough to play. You've got decent mobility and your level 10 ability has great AOE. Your 3rd ability is a bit of a waste and you've got less overall shield than the other starting frame (although more health than Mag). I don't think you're going to want to stay in Excalibur, Mag or Volt, long term. So, just pick what sounds most appealing to you. Excalibur seems to have the least utility out of the 3, but radial javelin is always welcome. edit: Although, I'm not the best person to answer this. I am still very noobish (and bad). I started out with Excalibur, and once my Rhino hits 30 I'm probably selling the fucker for a spare frame slot.
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« Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 01:15:25 PM by Rasix »
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lesion
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What's the PC group? I've got a mostly-empty clan with a bunch of crap in the dojo, and I just reinstalled because of this stupid thread.
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Kageru
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I'm playing this again as well, and appear to have become an officer in the f13 clan. So if anyone wants to join a "mostly-empty clan with a bunch of crap in the dojo" they're welcome. Since the last played times of the other members were in the hundreds of days I assume it doesn't have the latest and greatest but someone put some time into it.
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Ard
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As far as starting the game goes, excalibur is probably the best/easiest. That said it also has the least long term end game viability of the three. To be fair though, most people don't really play any of the starters past the beginning much. The ones that tend to see the most use are frost, nekros, and trinity, but strictly for the hardest content types. Even then they're situational.
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WayAbvPar
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Dicked around and got my Warframe to 3, and my weapons to 2. Seems like it could be a fun one to just pick up and play for a few minutes when the mood strikes. I
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Always wear clean underwear because you never know when a Tory Government is going to fuck you.- Ironwood
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Ginaz
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Once you get Rhino you won't want to use anything else. It's arguably the best, most well rounded warframe you can use.
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Lantyssa
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So if anyone wants to join a "mostly-empty clan with a bunch of crap in the dojo" they're welcome. Since the last played times of the other members were in the hundreds of days I assume it doesn't have the latest and greatest but someone put some time into it.
Mostly Ard and I, though we've both gone and left. I won't feel bad if it fades in to obscurity.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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Trippy
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Huh, this game seems wildly different from when I last played a while back. I seemed to have lost most of my junk I had collected originally (basically just have the stuff I had last equipped) or is it hiding in some part of the UI now?
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Ard
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If you're in the new tutorial, you'll get it back as you unlock things. It takes a few missions.
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Trippy
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Cool, thanks.
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Engels
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Currently our F13ers are playing on the Evil Chickens clan as the working social hub. F13ers are by and large welcome, so send Engels777 an ingame message and we'll get you going in the Evil clan. Please note that TS3 is expected for group play, and Warframe is group play. If you are not prepared to at least be a passive listener in TS (having to be quiet for family/sleepytimes/etc) you will probably be ignored by most of us. Its 2015, people.
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I should get back to nature, too. You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer. Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached. Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe
I LIKE being bounced around by Tonkors. - Lantyssa
Babies shooting themselves in the head is the state bird of West Virginia. - schild
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Rasix
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The chat interface being useless doesn't help much. You still haven't accepted my friend request, Engels.
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Engels
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That costs a forma!
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I should get back to nature, too. You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer. Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached. Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe
I LIKE being bounced around by Tonkors. - Lantyssa
Babies shooting themselves in the head is the state bird of West Virginia. - schild
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01101010
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Given my outdated PC is on the way out, I'll just stick to my PS4...
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Does any one know where the love of God goes...When the waves turn the minutes to hours? -G. Lightfoot
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Flood
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I stopped playing right before Kubrows were released. I just patched up and jumped back in - man they've really changed things. I guess a lot of the changes are cosmetic and UI based but it was a little overwhelming.
I stopped playing because the grind and RNG had started to get to me. I'm going to try and digest how things work now and give it another shot. Thankfully I have some resources (I played waaaaaay too much before my little hiatus) I'm Mastery rank 8 and I have like 8 frames maxxed out, some of the good event combo mods, what used to be the imba weapons of choice, blah blah. With my new graphics card the game looks even prettier.
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Trippy
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Failed the rank 1 to rank 2 mastery test for some unexplained reason and now I have to wait 24 hours to do it again You would think after all this time they would actually spend some time on UI and QoL bits. The UI in particular seems to be getting worse over time.
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Shrike
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DE was showing some potential revisions to the UI (again) on the last dev stream.
I wouldn't look for any groundshaking changes, but they seem intent to improving functionality. They've added quite a bit of QoL stuff since they introduced this UI.
As for failing rank tests, well, it happens. The issue with the cooldown is you can't practice what you're screwing up to improve. That's especially frustrating with the parkour based tests (which I suck at). They are (finally) introducing a mastery practice simulator to the relays with a new NPC. He'll be joining the game "soon."
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Trippy
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The problem with my failure is it didn't tell me why I failed. From Googling it may be a time limit which I didn't see or it may have been my companion or it may have been my heat damage or some other mod on my pistol. I didn't use anything other than the pistol and I didn't use any abilities which are other ways to fail (which it also doesn't tell you about).
Edit: reading the Wiki it was likely the time limit that caused me fail. I've failed other timed missions cause of that fucking time limit which isn't displayed prominently and doesn't warn you when it's about to expire.
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Shrike
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Most early mastery rank failures are due to just running out of time. If your damage is marginal in either burst or sustained dps, you're probably going to fail.
Whenever a new group of players join the game, you see this a lot in region chat from the ones that chose the Mk1 Paris bow. Trying to rank up in the first test using that is just an exercise in futility.
The main thing is get the weapons modded up as quickly as you can and if one isn't getting it done, get something else. The early upgrades are credit based and pretty easy to farm up the price on the first couple of planets.
The game doesn't really give you much help with this stuff. It's pretty much sink or swim early on. There's a lot of good info in the wiki and the people in region are usually helpful if you are really stymied by something.
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Trippy
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Damage wasn't the issue in my case. I hit 20+ with all my starter gear (and have them modded) when I became eligible for the rank 2 test cause I was around 10+ when I last played and going through the new tutorial and the new first quest line plus some random missions got me to 20. My issue was the first two waves were all melee so I decided to hop up onto the pillar to shoot down at them to save some wear and tear on my shields but hitting them from there can be a bit tricky when they are humping the base of the pillar so it took too long.
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