Explosions at the finish line of the Boston Marathon

[Abagadro]

Or just his ID in his wallet.

[MahrinSkel]

Or just his ID in his wallet.

I don't think that would have taken as long as it did.

--Dave

[Ghambit]

Again, if you want to follow the chase, use this ustream (there will be some adverts):
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam

(you can also listen to earlier recordings)

DO NOT report this anywhere else though pls (or we'll lose the feed).

As of now, they've got someone lying prone in the cockpit of a boat and they're laying perimeter, armor, etc.  I posit they've shot at this dude and that's what they've heard on the news.  At a small marina a few blocks away.    Boat is trailered in a backyard.

Second suspect pinned down in Watertown, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation.

[Stormwaltz]

Vague and unconfirmed reports of police actions related to a boat. If you want to keep an eye on it: http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square

EDIT: Sounds like they think he's in a tarp-covered boat in a backyard. They're evacuating people nearby.

[Numtini]

Channel 5 has 2 separate reports of multiple shots

[Abagadro]

Ya, they have a visual on him in the boat.

[Ingmar]

http://www.mzv.cz/washington/en/czech_u_s_relations/news/statement_of_the_ambassador_of_the_czech.html

 

[Abagadro]

Love how the reports are about him "not moving" while the radio calls from the heli keep talking about him "just sitting up" and "moving to the back of the boat".

[Pennilenko]

http://www.mzv.cz/washington/en/czech_u_s_relations/news/statement_of_the_ambassador_of_the_czech.html

 

Haha, that dude is totally all like, "Since I know how stupid the people are in the U.S. I'm going to take this opportunity to make sure that you stupid fucks don't cause problems for us considering we aren't even remotely related to what you all are talking about."

[Abagadro]

Fire on the boat apparently.

EDIT: Shooting flash-bang now.

[Ghambit]

Getting ready to fire a flashbang into the boat, even though there's 20gals of gasoline in the cockpit.

[Margalis]

This sure takes longer to play out than it does on TV.

[Abagadro]

This is where he is at:

http://goo.gl/maps/q57C6

You can see the trailer that currently has the boat he is hiding in.

[Ghambit]

Negotiator moving in.

[Abagadro]

They are cutting the heli downlink so it can't come over the scanner.

[Venkman]

The internet has played with Google Maps to post these pics of the boat/area. Apparently the owner came home from work, went out to the yard, noticed blood around the boat and called it in. Great on him. This is from various sources, but, well: internet.



Edit: cropped and rehosted the second image to remove the homeowner's address. It's all over the web but, well, I'll do what I can.

[Abagadro]

Idiot media members compromising the scene.

[KallDrexx]

What's crazy is if you look at the timeline, if these idiots didn't release the guy they carjacked so close to the area (in front of a gas station that almost always have cameras none-the-less) they could very well be out of Mass. and probably would not have been identified as fast (Looking back it really sounds like they were ID'ed when they ID'd the dead brother).

[Ghambit]

Why cant they just hit him with a tranq shot and then go in?  This guy is gonna bleed out before they can question him.

[Venkman]

My guess is line of sight issues, possibly range. Various reports of first flash bangs and then gas thrown in, also likely related to line of sight.

After they cut the link it's all been second hand reporting from the few media personnel able to get a word or two out.

[Abagadro]

SUSPECT IN CUSTODY!!!!

[Ghambit]

suspect in custody

medic asked for

[Lucas]

and "medic" shouted immediately after. Also, eyes on a black bag they found...

[Abagadro]

That bag is somewhere else.

[Venkman]

Boston Globe tweeted three other people in New Bedford, MA taken into custody related to this. Continually looking for the article they'll post.

Edit: Suspect #2 in custody on Boston Globe

[Ghambit]

I'd expect they'll shut down he and his brother's Twitter/FB/youtube feeds now (it's been eerie staring at them still up)... unless they're hoping accomplices may post there.  Subject#1's youtube feed is enough to get arrested in most states.  Seriously, it's pretty fucked up; they alluded to this on the news as well, wondering why he fell through the cracks when he came back to the states.

[Venkman]

Thing I've been curious about is (and maybe this has been covered?) whether the younger brother was recruited by the older. Seems like the younger one was kinda well put together while the elder was something of a screwup. Wonder if we're looking at another DC Shooter situation here (role model elder with impressionable younger, iirc).

[Numtini]

Had the same thought re DC Sniper.

[MahrinSkel]

I'd expect they'll shut down he and his brother's Twitter/FB/youtube feeds now (it's been eerie staring at them still up)... unless they're hoping accomplices may post there.  Subject#1's youtube feed is enough to get arrested in most states.  Seriously, it's pretty fucked up; they alluded to this on the news as well, wondering why he fell through the cracks when he came back to the states.

Because we've been focused on middle-eastern and African (brown, IOW) Muslims, not white ones (literally Caucasian).

--Dave

[Abagadro]

Thing I've been curious about is (and maybe this has been covered?) whether the younger brother was recruited by the older. Seems like the younger one was kinda well put together while the elder was something of a screwup. Wonder if we're looking at another DC Shooter situation here (role model elder with impressionable younger, iirc).

Made that comment a few pages back right after the video was released based upon their body language.

/self high-five!

[Ghambit]

I read somewhere, forgot where, that they caught him because of a tip from the houseowner.  Citizen arrest just about.  Huzzah!
Also realized, hospitalized victims now have to have the bomber in the room nextdoor.   

[UnSub]

I'm not defending any individual, but looking kooky on the internet is not even in the same galaxy as what the media has been doing.

1. Reddit, 4Chan, etc is not a source for breaking news. Nor are they an informed source that should be relied on for figuring things out. "Said Reddit" is nothing any media outlet should ever, ever say or type.
2. CNN and NYP are media outlets. Granted one is WAY shittier than the other, but they both look like total buffoons. The internet looking like buffoons just makes it the internet.
3. Internet.
4. Internet.

Reddit et al are now news sources - either directly (i.e. you go and read them yourself) or filtered through other sites / sources. They shouldn't be relied upon, but when something on them starts drawing eyeballs other sites will start focusing on the same story. The site becomes the story.

The problem with shrugging and going, "Internet" is that the Internet has real world effects. Real people can get their lives changed for better or worse. Right now I'm sure there are a host of online writers who have had to shelve their "How Reddit Solved The Boston Bombing" articles and if things had worked out differently there would have been a lot of self-congratulatory backpatting on these sites. Crowdsourcing advocates would have been dancing with glee.

I can't accept the lop-sidedness of if the Internet got it right then it's all sunshine and rainbows and who needs the old establishment anyway (not saying that's your personal view Schild, but that's the vibe from threads like these), but now because the Internet Justice Posse got it wrong then it's just, "Well, it's the internet - what do you expect?". It's dodging responsibility.

[Venkman]

Well, there's the desire for narrative by industry. The MSM is all set to always mock any sort of post-print/TV coverage as faux journalism when the entire concept of print journalism derived from a similar leap in tech. Meanwhile, online groups split between those desiring equivalent relevance (look we're important too!) and the anti-establishment independents who sneer at the "oligarcs".

In other words, everyone's got a story they want to believe in.

Up to level headed people to keep the balance until our behavior informs how these businesses evolve.

Thing I've been curious about is (and maybe this has been covered?) whether the younger brother was recruited by the older. Seems like the younger one was kinda well put together while the elder was something of a screwup. Wonder if we're looking at another DC Shooter situation here (role model elder with impressionable younger, iirc).

Made that comment a few pages back right after the video was released based upon their body language.

/self high-five!

Explains why I was having deja vu while writing that then. Only took me a few pages to catch up

[Fabricated]

Daily Caller: "Pot Head, Obama Supporter. Younger bombing suspect called 'normal pot head.' Older brother was father of three-year-old girl"

[Ghambit]

The Feds would not agree with a single negative overall assessment of using public info. assets to help a case.  We can bitch about it till the cows come home, they're still gonna use "us" with this new medium to ultimately get the job done.  #1 Recruitment effort right now is for IT for god's sake.

As said also, at every major point in this effort has been citizen assistance.
-parsing/providing the images
-parsing/providing possible suspects
-Calling MIT PD for initial disturbance (causing the manhunt)
-Reporting initial standoff (twitter, video) and verifying suspect
-Finding the suspect in the end (in the boat)

As for the ending, I'm suspicious that the homeowner didnt come packed and open fire on his own.  The police have left out what really happened when the guy lifted the flap and saw #2 lying in there.  No way someone goes out there w/o packing heat.