NFL 2013

[ghost]

The Matthews hit was absolutely NOT dirty, nor was it a clothesline. The only thing wrong with it was that he hit the guy out of bounds - you could maybe argue that since he launched himself into the air, it was a bit cheeky but not dirty. He does that between the hashmarks, everyone's happy except Kap, who feels like he got hit by a Mack truck.

Kaepernick was clearly out of bounds, but it's tough for these 250 pound linebackers to go absolutely full speed and pay attention to that.  It was just a physical play. 

[Segoris]

The Matthews hit was absolutely NOT dirty, nor was it a clothesline. The only thing wrong with it was that he hit the guy out of bounds - you could maybe argue that since he launched himself into the air, it was a bit cheeky but not dirty. He does that between the hashmarks, everyone's happy except Kap, who feels like he got hit by a Mack truck.

Kaepernick was clearly out of bounds, but it's tough for these 250 pound linebackers to go absolutely full speed and pay attention to that.  It was just a physical play. 

Meanwhile the 230lb and faster CB next to him was able to let up and not dive at someone clearly out of bounds a day after stating how they would get as many hits on the QB as they could (with questionable legality). To me, it's about the intent, and this was not an "oh it's just happened" type of moment.

Matthews overall and in general isn't a dirty player, but this was a dirty play. I do find it interesting that he hasn't even received a notice of fine yet (which usually comes before Friday-fine day).

[Paelos]

Atlanta is ass. The fact they believe they actually have a shot at the super bowl is laughable, but they are delusional fans who are still fixated on last year. Their line on both sides is a joke, their defense is populated by rookies, and they got pass rushed to death in the 2nd half by the Saints (who aren't going to be known for that at all).

Philly looked good for a half. Then they didn't score for 28 minutes, and took a lot of stupid penalties, almost blowing the game. I think they are top 15, not top 10. NE struggled badly with the freaking Bills. You can't turn over the ball as much as they did and win against another team. I can't put them in the top 10. Detroit is bad, their coach is bad, and the fact they won is because the Vikings have absolutely no QB and will be in the bottom half of the league for the rest of the year.

Cincy, I expected more from. Again, I can't top 10 a team that had 3 turnovers in their first game. That's shitty. Washington was suspect all day and RG3 isn't right yet. NOT top 10. Maybe later. The Jets probably won't be there next week, but I'm riding the wave. The Geno Smith wave! I wouldn't be shocked if they beat the Patriots if NE plays remotely similar to how they played Buffalo.

[sickrubik]

Meanwhile the 230lb and faster CB next to him was able to let up and not dive at someone clearly out of bounds a day after stating how they would get as many hits on the QB as they could (with questionable legality). To me, it's about the intent, and this was not an "oh it's just happened" type of moment.

Matthews overall and in general isn't a dirty player, but this was a dirty play. I do find it interesting that he hasn't even received a notice of fine yet (which usually comes before Friday-fine day).

Every single person is saying that Mathews fucked up, but the hit was clean. No one is claiming it's a "oh it just happened" thing. He hit him out of bounds, and there's a penalty for that, and he got hit with the penalty. The only thing we can say is that the Niners shouldn't have been penalized andi t should have been a first down, costing the packers greatly. But the actual hit was a clean hit, it was just out of bounds. It wansn't dirty and is in no ways comparable to Suh's actions. Not even remotely.

Maybe he hasn't received a fine yet because... it wasn't fineable.

[Ingmar]

It's a whole different world to perform a legal tackle on someone in bounds and bracing for it than on someone who let up their effort and is out of bounds while supposedly protected.

Of course it is, that is why it is a 15 yard penalty.  Not every personal foul deserves a fine.

Just the ones where they're targeting new-style running QBs for injury - the guys that have more eyeballs on NFL games than ever. It'd be the same thing if it was Patrick Willis hitting Russell Wilson in the same way. The NFL has an interest in protecting those guys, and I suspect they'll take an opportunity to make a statement *before* one of them gets hurt this time, unlike the Tom Brady knee rule change.

Also you know, he did throw a "punch" afterwards.

[sickrubik]

I can almost get behind that logic, even though I disagree with it at the end of things. I could also see him getting fined for the punch.

[ghost]

but this was a dirty play. I do find it interesting that he hasn't even received a notice of fine yet (which usually comes before Friday-fine day).

The reason he hasn't received a fine is that it wasn't a dirty play. 

[Ingmar]

but this was a dirty play. I do find it interesting that he hasn't even received a notice of fine yet (which usually comes before Friday-fine day).

The reason he hasn't received a fine is that it wasn't a dirty play. 

Given the context of pre-game statements about targeting Kaepernick, I disagree.

[ghost]

but this was a dirty play. I do find it interesting that he hasn't even received a notice of fine yet (which usually comes before Friday-fine day).

The reason he hasn't received a fine is that it wasn't a dirty play. 

Given the context of pre-game statements about targeting Kaepernick, I disagree.

You, sir, are not a reliable and unbiased witness.   

[HaemishM]

Atlanta is ass. The fact they believe they actually have a shot at the super bowl is laughable, but they are delusional fans who are still fixated on last year. Their line on both sides is a joke, their defense is populated by rookies, and they got pass rushed to death in the 2nd half by the Saints (who aren't going to be known for that at all).

Now, I will agree with you that Atlanta's offensive line is SHITTY. If the Saints are able to dial up those kinds of blitzes against a better line, I'll believe in it, but I'm not there yet. I will say that a lot of those sacks and pressures looked like good schemes that weren't picked up by Ryan or Atlanta's line so Ryan may have something to do with their success. However, I was actually impressed with Atlanta's secondary. They seemed able to cover better than I would have expected. I don't think Atlanta is Super Bowl caliber - I honestly don't think anybody can beat San Fran in the playoffs this year, including Green Bay. BUT, they aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

The Jets - I'm not sure I'd put them top 20. They got lucky against a bad team with ill-disciplined players. Tampa is going nowhere this year and Josh Freeman will be somebody's backup next year.

[Segoris]

Given the context of pre-game statements about targeting Kaepernick, I disagree.

This is exactly the issue imo.

Every single person is saying that Mathews fucked up, but the hit was clean. No one is claiming it's a "oh it just happened" thing. He hit him out of bounds, and there's a penalty for that, and he got hit with the penalty. The only thing we can say is that the Niners shouldn't have been penalized andi t should have been a first down, costing the packers greatly. But the actual hit was a clean hit, it was just out of bounds. It wansn't dirty and is in no ways comparable to Suh's actions. Not even remotely.

Maybe he hasn't received a fine yet because... it wasn't fineable.

It wasn't clean, the "oh it just happened" is simply mocking the stupidity of the argument of "if he was in bounds." Outside of the permissible margin of error there are no clean hits on players that are out of bounds, those are the ones which aren't (or shouldn't be) flagged. Matthews had more than enough time to stop knowing that Kaep was out of bounds, as proven by Tramon Williams stopping before Matthews even jumped towards Kaep, this hit had malicious intent.

Also, late hits are in fact fineable. Though I'm still amazed that even the punch wasn't fined.

And no, Matthews is definitely not comparable to Suh, but I'd bet Suh would have been fined another $100k if he did the same thing.

Atlanta is ass. The fact they believe they actually have a shot at the super bowl is laughable, but they are delusional fans who are still fixated on last year. Their line on both sides is a joke, their defense is populated by rookies, and they got pass rushed to death in the 2nd half by the Saints (who aren't going to be known for that at all).

Philly looked good for a half. Then they didn't score for 28 minutes, and took a lot of stupid penalties, almost blowing the game. I think they are top 15, not top 10. NE struggled badly with the freaking Bills. You can't turn over the ball as much as they did and win against another team. I can't put them in the top 10. Detroit is bad, their coach is bad, and the fact they won is because the Vikings have absolutely no QB and will be in the bottom half of the league for the rest of the year.

Cincy, I expected more from. Again, I can't top 10 a team that had 3 turnovers in their first game. That's shitty. Washington was suspect all day and RG3 isn't right yet. NOT top 10. Maybe later. The Jets probably won't be there next week, but I'm riding the wave. The Geno Smith wave! I wouldn't be shocked if they beat the Patriots if NE plays remotely similar to how they played Buffalo.

Yet all of those teams are better than NYJ which you put in the top 10

[Ingmar]

Oh, yeah, re: Paelos's list:

Jets? JETS?

[sickrubik]

And no, Matthews is definitely not comparable to Suh, but I'd bet Suh would have been fined another $100k if he did the same thing.

We're going round and round with the "dirty" thing, and we're apparently using it in two different positions, so I'm dropping that end of it. I'll just say I think the matter was finished when he got penalized for it.

The reason Suh gets in trouble, is that, well, it's not Suh's first trip to the rodeo.

If Matthews starts to build up a history of being as dirty as Suh, he'll start raking up those fines.

Oh, yeah, re: Paelos's list:

Jets? JETS?

JETS. J-E-T-S... but I think we got the chant backwards.

[Hoax]

He doesn't go human missile until the guy is out of bounds and he wouldn't have made any kind of hit without going human missile.

Its a dirty play where he decided to hit a guy he knew was going to be out of bounds. Any time someone even attempts to put a big hit on someone they know is out of bounds that's a dirty play.

All you need to know is that if anyone on the Ravens (or probably the Steelers or Raiders even) had made that kind of hit it would be a fine. But because its the Packers and doubly because its Clay Matthews we're having debates about intent and if launching yourself at a player out of bounds is really anything but a honest football play because the game is so damn fast.

[ghost]

Well, yeah.  Fuck the Ravens.   

[Segoris]

Well, yeah.  Fuck the Ravens.  

Too late, they already fucked themselves

[Nevermore]

The Jets won because the Bucs played a shitty, shitty game, not because the Jets are any good.  I'd have stuck Philly at 10 just for that first half.

No way am I putting Philly in the top 10, they are one hit from being donzo for the season. I want to see 3 games out of that thing first.

Wait, I thought you said it wasn't an overall power ranking?  That one half by Philly was better than the entire game by either the Jets or the Bucs.  'But someone might get injured' is a pretty poor reason to knock a team preemptively.  You knock the team after Vick turns back into Mr. Glass.

[Paelos]

I'm also knocking them for taking their foot off the gas and letting the Skins come back. My power rankings have spoken! 

[Nevermore]

At least they had gas! 

[K9]

Meanwhile, on the Superbowl XVIII Wikipedia page:

It will also be the first Super Bowl in NFL history to have two host teams (the New York Jets and New York Giants) as both play in the same stadium, thus it will be possible to have these two host teams play against each other should they get this far in the post-season.

 

[Paelos]

Jets are gonna shock the world without the buttfumble at the helm.

[MrHat]

Jets are gonna shock the world without the buttfumble at the helm.

[Tannhauser]

Jets are gonna shock the world without the buttfumble at the helm.

You normally have very solid reasoning so I'll forgive you for putting the Jets 10th.  THIS TIME. 

[HaemishM]

I'm also knocking them for taking their foot off the gas and letting the Skins come back. My power rankings have spoken! 

That wasn't them taking their foot off the gas. That was Michael Vick's chronic inaccuracy and all around shittiness come to the fore.

[sickrubik]

Warrant for Von Miller in California as well.[.url]

Investigative Reporter Mireya Villarreal uncovered Miller was cited March 22, 2012 in Orange County, California, for speeding.

Susan Schroeder, Orange County District Attorney Spokesperson, confirms Miller never showed up for that ticket and a warrant was issued for his arrest.  That warrant is currently active out of Orange County, California.

Welp, now reports that payment was made. I'm assuming it was made after the news broke as damage control. Dude needs to take a year off, one way or the other.

[taolurker]

Jets are gonna shock the world without the buttfumble at the helm.

Jets' Mark Sanchez has torn labrum, will try to rehab

[Cyrrex]

Pretty sure they mean torn Labia in his case, but whatever.  To be honest, this might be the best news the Jets could receive.  I don't like anything about Geno Smith, but you expect at least he'd be able to run, you know, around his own guys.  He can throw picks at least as well already.

All joking aside, Smith has some theoretical upside.  With Sanchez, that was the best you were ever going to get, because he has been broken.

[HaemishM]

Pretty sure they mean torn Labia in his case

You beat me to the joke, damn you.

Yeah, Sanchez isn't even sure he's going to do the surgery because it would end his season and presumably any chance he ever has of getting a starting QB job somewhere else next year. Whereas if he plays this year, he might be able to convince someone he's worth... oh who am I kidding, his last chance to start in the NFL ended when the Giants sacked his sorry ass in a meaningless preseason game.

[Rasix]

This makes no sense.  The only way he even makes a roster next year is if he's completely healthy.  Would off season surgery still insure this, even if he aggravates it further?

The Jets do not want him to play.  Even if Smith gets ritually beheaded in the middle of a game, he will not play.  There won't be a lot of good quarterback openings next year in the NFL and the draft class is pretty good.  He's the worst NFL quarterback statistically since he started playing.  He's a #2 or 3 if he even gets picked up.  Better to give the thought that he's not completely used up than going out there and proving it.

[HaemishM]

He's the worst NFL quarterback statistically since he started playing. 

Gabbert and Tebow are probably worse statistically but if you are being mentioned in those circles, I'm not sure it matters who sucks the most. 

[Rasix]

The stats I'm referring to had a specific amount of attempts attached to it.  I think LaDainian Tomlinson has more pass attempts over his career than Tebow.

[Ingmar]

The offseason is long enough to rehab a labrum surgery - it happens all the time in baseball, it's a reasonably common injury for pitchers - but he should still just get the surgery done now. I think he probably does see the field if Smith gets hurt, but this is an injury that will affect his throwing even if he 'rehabs' it without surgery. Dumb.

[sickrubik]

The stats I'm referring to had a specific amount of attempts attached to it.  I think LaDainian Tomlinson has more pass attempts over his career than Tebow.

Not even remotely close. Not sure if there was sarcasm with that or not.

[Rasix]

Would this have helped?

[sickrubik]

Would this have helped?

Hmm... could you make it flash?

As a Broncos fan, my "tebow sarcasm" sensor is not really... fine tuned.