NFL 2013

[sickrubik]

Vick and Eagles sticking together for 2013/2014 season.

Probably the best solution for the Eagles AND Vick.

[Paelos]

I wonder what kind of pay cut he took. Also, I'm shocked they didn't just move on to something else. He's never going to last all season.

[sickrubik]

I wonder what kind of pay cut he took. Also, I'm shocked they didn't just move on to something else. He's never going to last all season.

They don't really have many options that would be any better.

[01101010]

I don't know.. he might last in Chip's system if it works out correctly.

[Paelos]

I don't know.. he might last in Chip's system if it works out correctly.

I don't believe anymore in his ability to not do something stupid and get injured. He's missed a total of 20+ games in his career due to injuries. He's played 16 games once in his career. He hasn't played more than 13 games in a season since going to prison.

On average Vick has been injured for 16% of his career when he was eligible. Throw in the time he missed for jail sentences, and Vick hasn't been able to play 31% of his possible career. Now he's 32, and all his numbers have been in steady decline since 2010, while he's fumbled more times in 2 years than he has in his last 4 seasons in Atlanta.

[sickrubik]

But, again, what are their options at this point? There's really not going to be any free agents worth picking up that would be a better shot than Vick.

[01101010]

I don't see a whole lotta interest in teams drafting Geno Smith... they might be able to grab him and have him watch what not to do for a year. No?

[Paelos]

I think Alex Smith would be cheaper and better.

[sickrubik]

I think Alex Smith would be cheaper and better.

We don't know the details on the deal with Vick, which is a restructured deal for one year, so that's possible to go either way.

[Paelos]

I'm hearing $10M as an early rumor.

[sickrubik]

Which would put him right around the same pricetag as Smith's current contract is going to be. Though, contract shit gets stupid, of course.

But, if we just look at it from the standpoint of rebuilding and moving towards the future, why move from Vick to Smith and spend around the same amount of money, just to look towards the future with a new QB? Why NOT just stick with Vick?

[Paelos]

Because Smith has a better passer rating and has managed to post a 16 game season in the last 2 years?

[HaemishM]

Because Smith has a better passer rating and has managed to post a 16 game season in the last 2 years?

This. Unless they've pretty much given up on the season or think that Nick Foles really is there guy, I'd have gone with Smith. Or fucking Matt Flynn. Or a block of wood on wheels with stickem on it, since that's the only way they won't turn the ball over 2-4 times a game. And if the contract IS $10 million? Vick ain't sitting on the bench unless he REALLY blows in camp.

[Ingmar]

Just as an FYI Harbaugh is currently talking like they want to keep Smith, so all that early talk about the 49ers granting him his release might have been premature.

[Nevermore]

Because Smith has a better passer rating and has managed to post a 16 game season in the last 2 years?

This. Unless they've pretty much given up on the season or think that Nick Foles really is there guy, I'd have gone with Smith. Or fucking Matt Flynn. Or a block of wood on wheels with stickem on it, since that's the only way they won't turn the ball over 2-4 times a game. And if the contract IS $10 million? Vick ain't sitting on the bench unless he REALLY blows in camp.

But neither Smith nor Flynn are free agents, so the Eagles would have to give up draft picks to acquire either one.  Since I doubt anyone in the Eagles organization is under the illusion they can compete for the Super Bowl this year, they're probably taking a longer view and expect they can do better than Smith/Flynn/Vick/Foles in '14.

Fake Edit: the 49ers don't want to keep Smith, that's all just bluster to get a better draft pick for him in a trade.

[Ingmar]

Local wishful thinking sports wharrgarbl is that we will trade him for Revis.   (Or rather cut his salary to afford Revis, or whatever the complicated scenario with the 2 of them getting cut or not cut or whatever ends up being. In other words, nothing will happen.)

[sickrubik]

Okay, I'm not endorsing Vick as a better player, but my point was what made more sense for the Eagles AND Vick at this point in both their careers.

As for Smith is going to get traded if he's not going to be on the Niners roster in 13/14. He has enough value that the Niners can get at least a draft pick out of him.

Personally, I think Smith is a Niner for another year.

Local wishful thinking sports wharrgarbl is that we will trade him for Revis.  (Or rather cut his salary to afford Revis, or whatever the complicated scenario with the 2 of them getting cut or not cut or whatever ends up being. In other words, nothing will happen.)

Last time Broncos and Niners were in the same trade/signing talks, who won? 

[Paelos]

So instead of releasing Smith and using that $8M to upgrade their weapons for the real QB, they are intent on having the NFC West set records for MOST EXPENSE BACKUPS EVAAAAAAR!

Sorry, what's the downside in cutting him? You get nothing? You were $8M in the hole. The obsession with organizations trying to get something for guys we all know they are dumping drives me bananas. It's stupid sunk cost thinking, and the Eagles just doubled down with it.

[sickrubik]

So instead of releasing Smith and using that $8M to upgrade their weapons for the real QB, they are intent on having the NFC West set records for MOST EXPENSE BACKUPS EVAAAAAAR!

Sorry, what's the downside in cutting him? You get nothing? You were $8M in the hole. The obsession with organizations trying to get something for guys we all know they are dumping drives me bananas. It's stupid sunk cost thinking, and the Eagles just doubled down with it.

Hey, I'm not saying it's necessarily the best option to not dump Smith, I just am not sure they are 100% sold on Kaep just yet, so why not keep Smith one more year, just in case? I would expect a restructuring to keep him there, and I think Smith does it.

[Paelos]

What's the advantage for him to restructure? There are 10 teams right now that have QBs who were total disasters, and Philly is on that list. Jacksonville, Tennessee, the Jets, Kansas City, Minnesota, Cleveland, Buffalo, Philly, Arizona, and Oakland.

[HaemishM]

With the draft the way it is, there is no reason whatsoever for Alex Smith to take any sort of deal from the 49ers. He's not going to start unless Kap breaks something. There is such a market for mediocre QB's right now, not to mention QB's like Smith who might not light up the stage but at least won't turn the ball over. San Fran would be FOOLS not to trade him (same goes for Flynn in Seattle) because they would get at least 1 decent draft pick out of the deal, if not more. Sitting him for a year as a backup? His value would be seriously diminished after that and he'd then be competing against what might be a better draft class at the position.

Philly may not be the place to. They've obviously pissed away a lot of money the last two years and aren't close to playoff ready. Smith wouldn't take them over that hump, IMO. Hell, of that list Paelos had, I'm not sure any of those would be playoff contenders with Smith other than Minnesota (and then only because of AP).

[sickrubik]

Smith likes the Niners organization, from everything I can tell. If the Niners are showing any signs of not totally trusting Kaep jsut yet, and you have a chance to beat him in the offseason, why wouldn't you stay in SF than any of those listed?

Plus even backup QBs get rings. :D

[Paelos]

Well for one thing, it makes no business sense.

For another thing, Jim Harbaugh is a fucking tool who threw him out with the garbage at the first good opportunity. Why would you want to deal with that nonsense? It's just another waiting game even if you do happen to beat out Colin.

[Tannhauser]

You'd think Smith would walk if he could.  Getting replaced like that had to sting to a professional and like you said, there;s a lot of teams that would love to get him.

I've lost all faith in Vick.  Maybe with Reid gone he'll magically turn around, but I'm not betting on it.  I really liked him when he was playing for the Falcons.  So fun to watch.

[Paelos]

Hell, of that list Paelos had, I'm not sure any of those would be playoff contenders with Smith other than Minnesota (and then only because of AP).

KC's in a weak division with sooooo much offensive potential. Jamaal Charles is a great RB that nobody notices because he's on a shit team. Dwayne Bowe is a fantastic receiver. Dexter McCluster is a great young talent that needs a good QB to look at him. They have weapons. They have ability without a QB that works.

They lack a defense. They have possibility the worst defensive line that took the field last year. They can't sack people, they can't stop the run, and they can't pressure. Their secondary might as well be playing two hand touch. Opposing passer rating was a 99.9 against them last year. That's one of the top 5 worst passing defenses of the last 3 years.

[Nevermore]

Dwayne Bowe is a free agent and, if I remember correctly, has repeatedly said he wants out of KC.  Tennessee or Minnesota would probably be the best places for him to land if the idea is to get into the playoffs immediately.

[Ingmar]

Kansas City is the traditional destination for ex-49ers QBs, so there's that to consider as well. 

[Tannhauser]

I don't see the Titans in the playoffs this year. They have weapons but they still kinda suck.  

[sickrubik]

Well for one thing, it makes no business sense.

For another thing, Jim Harbaugh is a fucking tool who threw him out with the garbage at the first good opportunity. Why would you want to deal with that nonsense? It's just another waiting game even if you do happen to beat out Colin.

But it would still be his best chance at a ring. Financial, probably would make more sense to go elsewhere, but I really don't know given the situation he was involved with in SF if he's going to get a lot of interest. Maybe I just like the kid enough to not want him in KC, okay?

Especially if Flacco doesn't get franchise-tagged.

which, of course, probably won't happen. The Ravens will make a deal with Flacco.

[Cyrrex]

So the NFL is considering widening the field by about 35 feet, up to CFL standards.  I'm not going to post a link.  I don't like the idea, mainly because I think it leans everything even more to the offensive side than it already is. 

[Ingmar]

Should make red zone offense a bit more interesting, if nothing else.

[Cyrrex]

I would think it would just make it too easy.  Defenders already have a hard enough time defending the flat and the corners in the Red Zone as it is.  Not only will there be more space to create separation, but with all that extra space defenses will be forced to play softer to avoid giving up the huge plays all the time. 

[Ingmar]

I would think it would just make it too easy.  Defenders already have a hard enough time defending the flat and the corners in the Red Zone as it is.  Not only will there be more space to create separation, but with all that extra space defenses will be forced to play softer to avoid giving up the huge plays all the time. 

Hmm, my feeling is that offense tends to dry up between the 15 and the 3 or so. I wouldn't be surprised if this is supposed to stop that.

[Cyrrex]

I can see why you say that, I just feel that offense is already too easy.  This will open it up both in the red zone AND the rest of the field, so presumably there will be more TD scoring plays (and big plays in general) from every spot on the field, not just the RZ.  Points would go way up, and I think they are getting too high already. 

[Paelos]

This is a terrible idea. I don't want college basketball scores to become the norm in the NFL.