Star Trek: Into Darkness

[sickrubik]

Nothing about what I've seen has screamed Khan to me other than fans fervent wishes. Just because it's Spock* in a radiation chamber doesn't mean it has to be Khan. Just that Spock has to do it to save the Enterprise for whatever reason the plot contrivance demands.  Stealing memorable moments from the old franchise to 'update' them for the new audience is nothing new for J.J.  Spock & Uhura, The Orion girl Kirk beds, Christopher Pike's injury, etc.

No, it totally looks like Gary Mitchell, but all the wiki and imdb say Khan.

Double bluff, methinks.

IMDB lists it as a "rumor". IMDB is community driven and wikipedia, as far as I see says "the villain".

[Ratman_tf]

Triple bluff. It's going to be Harry Mudd.

[Merusk]

My triple bluff: it's actually John Frederick Paxton's clone!

[angry.bob]

The summaries online say the baddie also destroys the entirety of Starfleet' ships which is why the Enterprise must intervene against a former Starfleet member out for revenge, so.. yeah. 

WTF. Wasn't the entirety of Starfleet's ships destroyed in the first movie? I know Star Trek is a model of socialist utopianism, but replacing fleets of starships every couple of years would be crazy expensive. Also:

Roberto Orci, who co-wrote the script for the current film with Alex Kurtzman and whose previous projects include "Transformers" and "Mission: Impossible III

This will be a fucking travesty.

[Yegolev]

Triple bluff. It's going to be Harry Mudd.

I'm on this train now.

[Venkman]

Damn you all for saying it all already 

So I'll go along the "burn it all down" vector.

I also loved First Contact for the same reason I loved JJ Abram's first pass and his new trailer:

Take all the goddamned rules and canon and toss all that shit right out the window. None of it was ever good enough that it couldn't be replaced, or they wouldn't have kept reinventing it. Each series either struggled to get going or struggled to keep going. In large part it was because the core concept of superior space diplomacy is boring. Once they learned that again in TNG, they went into a kinda interesting direction. And after they realized Space Soap was boring, DS9 got good. Voyager never really took off though afaik and I don't even want to think about Enterprise.

There's nothing sacrosanct that the world can't do without.

I appreciate these reboots because there's a chance the series can have some legs. My only issue with the trailer is less about the story (which is still all guesswork) than that it released before they had enough post-production assets to show space stuff. Right now it feels like Mass Effect.

[Sir T]

WTF. Wasn't the entirety of Starfleet's ships destroyed in the first movie? I know Star Trek is a model of socialist utopianism, but replacing fleets of starships every couple of years would be crazy expensive. Also:

Also, you crew them with people in Starfleet academy and then you graduate whoever is left alive from the resulting massacre. Save on pay & pension costs. Win!

[Ratman_tf]

The summaries online say the baddie also destroys the entirety of Starfleet' ships which is why the Enterprise must intervene against a former Starfleet member out for revenge, so.. yeah. 

WTF. Wasn't the entirety of Starfleet's ships destroyed in the first movie? I know Star Trek is a model of socialist utopianism, but replacing fleets of starships every couple of years would be crazy expensive. Also:

Roberto Orci, who co-wrote the script for the current film with Alex Kurtzman and whose previous projects include "Transformers" and "Mission: Impossible III

This will be a fucking travesty.

Orci and Kurtzman wrote the first nuTrek. Which I thought was balls, but most don't, so I agree that Into Derpness is probably going to stink, but wanted to be fair with the credits there.

[Yegolev]

I'm starting to think some people don't enjoy the original series.

[Teleku]

The summaries online say the baddie also destroys the entirety of Starfleet' ships which is why the Enterprise must intervene against a former Starfleet member out for revenge, so.. yeah.  

WTF. Wasn't the entirety of Starfleet's ships destroyed in the first movie? I know Star Trek is a model of socialist utopianism, but replacing fleets of starships every couple of years would be crazy expensive. Also:

Eh..., I'm under the impression that a large part of the fleet was destroyed, not all of it, leaving them some wiggle room.  The Start Trek universe seems to recover fast from fleet wiping events anyways (see the borg invasion) so I don't really mind it.  Guess we'll see how they portray the current universe in this movie.

[MahrinSkel]

I think they only build ships in docks as a make-work project, when they need a lot in a hurry they just use huge replicators.

--Dave

EDIT: "Yeah, Borg coming again, better run off another dozen Galaxy-class"

[DraconianOne]

 

[Quinton]

The casting on the Star Trek reboot movie was fantastic.  The writing/story was pretty meh.  Time travel is such a horrible crutch for Star Trek, they really should avoid it. 

[Cyrrex]

It really was great casting.  I thought they did everyone well except for Sulu...I can't even fucking remember Sulu in that movie.

[tgr]

I didn't gel with their interpretation of Spock, I felt Zachary Quinto just looked either petulant or constipated. Combined with lensflare and and various situations which were just badly thought through as "comical relief" (the scene where they beamed into the ship, and one got caught in a tank? Yeah, that one sucked nuts.) etc, and I just felt the entire movie turned into one big meh-fest.

[eldaec]

The casting on the Star Trek reboot movie was fantastic.  The writing/story was pretty meh.  Time travel is such a horrible crutch for Star Trek, they really should avoid it. 

I really didn't mind in Star Trek: Lens Flare. It confined itself to the premise, and helped you believe their was some actual threat.

Didn't mind it in Star Trek : Lol The Whales, as that was clearly a star trek parody.

But First Contact can eat a dick.

[Cyrrex]

I didn't gel with their interpretation of Spock, I felt Zachary Quinto just looked either petulant or constipated. Combined with lensflare and and various situations which were just badly thought through as "comical relief" (the scene where they beamed into the ship, and one got caught in a tank? Yeah, that one sucked nuts.) etc, and I just felt the entire movie turned into one big meh-fest.

Really?  I thought he was perfect for it.  I thought the script made him a little more petty than we are used to, but they also made it fairly clear that they were changing him and his relationship to Kirk quite a bit (at least, for the first movie alone).  Whether that was a good idea or not is debatable, but I thought Quinto was ideal for the role.

[01101010]

The summaries online say the baddie also destroys the entirety of Starfleet' ships which is why the Enterprise must intervene against a former Starfleet member out for revenge, so.. yeah. 

WTF. Wasn't the entirety of Starfleet's ships destroyed in the first movie? I know Star Trek is a model of socialist utopianism, but replacing fleets of starships every couple of years would be crazy expensive. Also:

If you recall, Spock's whole line of thought was to follow orders and "rendezvous with the rest of Star Fleet in the Lorenchian system." So there was still some of the fleet left from whatever the hell diplomatic show of force they were doing there.

[Ironwood]

The worst thing about First Contact (beyond Zephram Cochrane being a douche and the team being cunts on the planet and the 'hard drinking arrrrg' and the fucking Vulcans visiting like fucking Greys) was the way they'd clearly looked at the Aliens movies and decided, that's what we want the Borg to do.  

It was Frakes being a wank and a hack.

[Lantyssa]

Page 3, nearly 4, from the first released trailer.  You guys take your Trek very seriously.

[Merusk]

It's just the age of the geeks assembled showing through!  If we were 10 years younger I figure there'd be less discussion.

[Shannow]

You guys take your Trek very seriously.

There's another way to take it??

[Ratman_tf]

The casting on the Star Trek reboot movie was fantastic.  The writing/story was pretty meh.  Time travel is such a horrible crutch for Star Trek, they really should avoid it. 

The casting was great. I could see the potential. Everything else was crap. Maybe if they took Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman out for a drive and stranded them in the woods, they could get some competent writers and director and do something with the cast.

[palmer_eldritch]

I'm going to raise something that's bothered me for a while but I've never had the courage to say publicly before:

Is JJ Abrams overrated? I mean, Alias was great fun and the first season or two of Lost was genius, but nothing else has lived up to that. I'm not saying he's a bad writer or producer, he's just not what we hoped.

In other words, he's no Joss Whedon.

Maybe I should watch Fringe?

[Mrbloodworth]

His stuff is consistently good and entertaining. Some of it, like you have said, is really great watching.

I think that's enough to put him ahead of many.


Joss Whedon? This show is now canceled.

[apocrypha]

I'm going to raise something that's bothered me for a while but I've never had the courage to say publicly before:

Is JJ Abrams overrated? I mean, Alias was great fun and the first season or two of Lost was genius, but nothing else has lived up to that. I'm not saying he's a bad writer or producer, he's just not what we hoped.

In other words, he's no Joss Whedon.

Maybe I should watch Fringe?

J.J.Abrams isn't overrated by me, I think he's deeply mediocre.

He's great at giving you a glimpse of how good things could be... and then snatching it away in a shower of ridiculously over-budgeted CGI and plot holes the size of Jupiter.

Fringe is a perfect example: potentially great, big budget, interesting premise, mostly good production values and even some OK acting... but pissed away into a filthy pool of bad writing.

[rattran]

I had no idea there were that many Star Trek films, I gave up after the 'Lol God' movie, and whatever the first Next Gen one was. The new one looked interesting until I saw it had old Spock in it, and figured it'd be stupid time travel bullshit.

I'll just watch TOS on Hd and Bluray, and hope for better for In To Derpness.

[Merusk]

He's fantastic for ideas and creating worlds and characters.  He sucks at telling stories.   

Yes, he's overrated but I feel the same way about Whedon.

[Ingmar]

Time travel is such a horrible crutch for Star Trek EVERYTHING EVER, they really should avoid it. 

[Nevermore]

Looper was pretty good.

[Ratman_tf]

Voyager soured me on time travel stories in Trek, because it seemed like the writers wanted to do some crazy dramatic shit, like blowing up Voyager, or killing off a character, but then they had to reset everything before the end of the episode, so they'd indulge themselves and then reset everything with time travel.
Doing that once or twice is ok, but Voyager pulled that crap at least once a season, if not more often. And then it was the main plot of the series finale.   

[Nevermore]

Star Trek always had much better success with the Evil Federation mirror universe stuff than with the time travel stuff.

[01101010]

Time travel is such a horrible crutch for Star Trek EVERYTHING EVER, they really should avoid it. 

[Venkman]

Eh..., I'm under the impression that a large part of the fleet was destroyed, not all of it, leaving them some wiggle room.  The Start Trek universe seems to recover fast from fleet wiping events anyways (see the borg invasion) so I don't really mind it.  Guess we'll see how they portray the current universe in this movie.

Iirc there were 8 ships that went to meet the (apparently Borg-modified according to the comic book I didn't read) Nautilus Nemo ship. 7 of them were killed on sight. But that wasn't the bulk of the fleet I don't think. Spock wouldn't have thought there'd be a chance to "balance the engagement" if the Laurenthian Abyss fleet was anything less than probably double what got annihilated.

The worst thing about First Contact (beyond Zephram Cochrane being a douche and the team being cunts on the planet and the 'hard drinking arrrrg' and the fucking Vulcans visiting like fucking Greys) was the way they'd clearly looked at the Aliens movies and decided, that's what we want the Borg to do. 

There were quite a few different pop culture references in First Contact. The only Aliens-esque scene I can think of was when the sequence where the Borg first started abducting crew. Otherwise, it was straight out of TNG episodes. Except the Queen. That was a shame. Nothing like a clear leader to dilute the essence of a "collective conscious" :P

Star Trek always had much better success with the Evil Federation mirror universe stuff than with the time travel stuff.

Totally agree. Alternative dimensions > linear time travel in my opinion. You get all the fun of seeing how things could be different without the baggage of retconning history to that point. That TNG episode with Crusher getting stuck in that pocket universe was great at the end (though as usual, about 30 minutes of filler first...)

[Ironwood]

The worst thing about First Contact (beyond Zephram Cochrane being a douche and the team being cunts on the planet and the 'hard drinking arrrrg' and the fucking Vulcans visiting like fucking Greys) was the way they'd clearly looked at the Aliens movies and decided, that's what we want the Borg to do.  

There were quite a few different pop culture references in First Contact. The only Aliens-esque scene I can think of was when the sequence where the Borg first started abducting crew. Otherwise, it was straight out of TNG episodes. Except the Queen. That was a shame. Nothing like a clear leader to dilute the essence of a "collective conscious" :P

You know what else had a Queen ?