Star Trek: Into Darkness

[01101010]

Movies in general are more about the visuals than they are about the story. I thought Star Trek: The Motion Picture had a hell of a story to it. Star Trek II tied directly back to an episode which brought all the fans back to the theaters and then they just had to see what happened to Spock since he IS Star Trek. I am still amazed that the first 6 movies cost as much to make COMBINED as the reboot cost. Hell, after The Motion Picture, they were cheap as hell and brought in buckets of money. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film_series%29

[Teleku]

I liked most of the Star Trek movies, never really understood the hate.  The later few TNG ones were shitty, but other than that I got enjoyment out of watching most of them (I thought VI was really good, actually).

Also, anybody who doesn't like the one in San Francisco with the whales is litterally Hitler.

[K9]

Here's a Japanese version of the trailer with about 15s extra footage

woo

[sickrubik]

Regardless of anything else, I enjoy so much how J.J. Abrams really likes to fuck with the audience. (as in the last bit in the Japanese trailer.)

He's the most trollish director that ever trolled.

[Ironwood]

Also, there are people here, IN THIS VERY FORUM, who like First Contact.  Showing that there's no accounting for taste and being a cockgobbler.

It WAS the best of the TNG movies. That doesn't make it GREAT, mind you, but it sure as shit beat out the other three TNG movies. And V. And there was no Veeger.

You go to Hell.  You go to Hell and you Die.

 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Here's a Japanese version of the trailer with about 15s extra footage

woo

I came.

[Bunk]

A summary of my opinion on the Star Trek movies, just because I felt like going through them and thinking about it.

Number               Title                                  Release date   Director   
            
1   Star Trek: The Motion Picture                    7-Dec-79     Robert Wise     Long and boring, but kinda trippy.
2   Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan                  4-Jun-82   Nicholas Meyer   Awesomesauce. Gritty and intense, though the final battle sucked.
3   Star Trek III: The Search for Spock            1-Jun-84     Leonard Nimoy     I enjoyed it. Was silly, but Star Treky. Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon, lol.
4   Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home                  26-Nov-86   Leonard Nimoy   Light hearted and entertaining.
5   Star Trek V: The Final Frontier                    9-Jun-89     William Shatner     Derp
6   Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country          6-Dec-91   Nicholas Meyer   My personal Favorite, hands down. Enjoyed it more than Kahn, though Kahn was probably a "better" movie.
            
7   Star Trek: Generations                                 18-Nov-94   David Carson   A joke. Dumb plot, horrible waste of the premise.
8   Star Trek: First Contact                                22-Nov-96     Jonathan Frakes   A decently entertaining movie. Got too silly in spots, but the best of the Next Gen.
9   Star Trek: Insurrection                                11-Dec-98                          Felt like a mediocre episode of the TV series, with 45 minutes of padding added. Crap
10   Star Trek: Nemesis                                 13-Dec-02   Stuart Baird   Bizarre. Just never clicked at all for me.
            
11   Star Trek                                                 8-May-09   J. J. Abrams   Supprisingly good, lense flare and all. My third favorite. Totally new feel, but it works.
12   Star Trek into Darkness         

[Reg]

You're going to need to return your beret now, Bunk.  Sorry.

[Ratman_tf]

Oh, a Star Trek movie about revenge. How novel.  
Maybe in nuTrek III the Tribbles will come back for revenge and need to be punched with lens flares.

[01101010]

My list of top three Trek movies would have to go:

Wrath of Khan - having seen 'Space Seed' several times on TV, having Khan return after all that time with the same actors? Hell yeah. Creatures in our bodies! This was the calling back to all those 70s trekkies.

Star Trek (reboot) - Really did not think this would work at all, and even though it is a 'YAY EXPLOSIONS - FLARE!!' movie, the actors really did a huge justice to the original cast save for Sulu who needs to be a little more swishy to pull off George's mojo. But honestly, each actor had a few moments where they actually looked, sounded, and acted like their counterparts in the original cast. Never would have thought Eomir could pull off Bones, but holy fuck he was exactly DeForrest. The story was bleh and the writing was kinda crap, but the actors becoming the originals made the movie for me.

The Motion Picture - Hot bald girl in a long satin shirt? Case closed. But really... The story is fucking cool in hooking into the Voyager probes which I really got into when I was a kid right around when this movie came out.

Save the Whales I just couldn't do at all and was at the bottom of my list. Landing a cloaked Klingon ship in Golden Gate Park? And no one bumps into a landing gear? Where the hell did Sulu get that helicopter and no one takes notice IN GOLDEN GATE PARK of a helicopter hovering there and watching shit disappear? Couldn't get past all the wtf and that is before the whole save the environment-our future depends on it theme... Too many NO NO NO parts. And really.. covering up Spock's ears they are concerned with?? In San Fran?  no thanks.

[K9]

A summary of my opinion on the Star Trek movies, just because I felt like going through them and thinking about it.

Number               Title                                  Release date   Director   
            
1   Star Trek: The Motion Picture                    7-Dec-79     Robert Wise     Long and boring, but kinda trippy.
2   Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan                  4-Jun-82   Nicholas Meyer   Awesomesauce. Gritty and intense, though the final battle sucked.
3   Star Trek III: The Search for Spock            1-Jun-84     Leonard Nimoy     I enjoyed it. Was silly, but Star Treky. Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon, lol.
4   Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home                  26-Nov-86   Leonard Nimoy   Light hearted and entertaining.
5   Star Trek V: The Final Frontier                    9-Jun-89     William Shatner     Derp
6   Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country          6-Dec-91   Nicholas Meyer   My personal Favorite, hands down. Enjoyed it more than Kahn, though Kahn was probably a "better" movie.
            
7   Star Trek: Generations                                 18-Nov-94   David Carson   A joke. Dumb plot, horrible waste of the premise.
8   Star Trek: First Contact                                22-Nov-96     Jonathan Frakes   A decently entertaining movie. Got too silly in spots, but the best of the Next Gen.
9   Star Trek: Insurrection                                11-Dec-98                          Felt like a mediocre episode of the TV series, with 45 minutes of padding added. Crap
10   Star Trek: Nemesis                                 13-Dec-02   Stuart Baird   Bizarre. Just never clicked at all for me.
            
11   Star Trek                                                 8-May-09   J. J. Abrams   Supprisingly good, lense flare and all. My third favorite. Totally new feel, but it works.
12   Star Trek into Darkness         

This pretty much tallies with my feelings.

Also

Director:   Impression:
William Shatner   Derp

 

[Samwise]

Are they ripping off Wrath of Khan fucking AGAIN?  Jesus Christ.

[Ironwood]

I'm SO CONFUSED HERE.

[Ratman_tf]

I'm SO CONFUSED HERE.

They didn't do Khan, so they gave Gary Mitchell a revenge story. Because herp derp Wrath of Khan. 

[Ironwood]

But that Japanese trailer makes it look like Spock dies in the radiation chamber AGAIN.

 

[01101010]

But that Japanese trailer makes it look like Spock dies in the radiation chamber AGAIN.

 

Star Trek III: Return of Zombie Spock

[sickrubik]

I imagine everything in that trailer is designed to specifically fuck with the different camps on who they think the baddie is. We don't really have any reason to assume that that IS spock.

Edit: To rephrase a bit. It could be spock, but it could also be not spock.

[Ratman_tf]

But that Japanese trailer makes it look like Spock dies in the radiation chamber AGAIN.

 

Yeah. I suspect that even though it's not WOK (or even Space Seed) they're not above ripping out bits from WOK and recycling them.

[Ironwood]

I imagine everything in that trailer is designed to specifically fuck with the different camps on who they think the baddie is. We don't really have any reason to assume that that IS spock.

Edit: To rephrase a bit. It could be spock, but it could also be not spock.

So you're saying we'll only know for sure once we open the chamber ?

Because that sounds quite familiar.

[sickrubik]

I imagine everything in that trailer is designed to specifically fuck with the different camps on who they think the baddie is. We don't really have any reason to assume that that IS spock.

Edit: To rephrase a bit. It could be spock, but it could also be not spock.

So you're saying we'll only know for sure once we open the chamber ?

Because that sounds quite familiar.

Schroedinger's Spock.

[Yegolev]

Cummerbatch as Khan.

What is this, I don't even.

Here's how this came out at my house.  I, of course, don't watch TV or otherwise get exposed to media and so my wife asks me to guess who is the villain in the new Star Trek.  After "There's a new Star Trek?  Is it J.J.?" I pop out "Khan!", to which she replies, "No, Benedict Cumberbatch!"



Now that I know he's actually playing Khan, though....

[Samwise]

If they're actually literally redoing Wrath of Khan, wouldn't this movie have to be set some time into or after the TOS timeline, when Kirk first meets Khan?  I thought they were still prequel-ing.  It's a pretty big jump from Cadet Kirk to Captain Kirk.

My assumption is that it's some previously unseen villain who wants revenge against the hero for some goddamn reason and therefore wants to destroy the Earth, and the hero must save the Earth by punching the villain in the face.  You know, same plot as the last two Trek movies.

(edit) Actually, I forget, did the last movie have a fistfight between Kirk and the bad guy?  I just know that all the TNG movies involved Picard getting into a hand to hand fight with the bad guy at the end for no goddamn good reason.

[Ironwood]

Are you kidding ?

They totally had a fist fight on board the Romulan ship that was entirely constructed of walkways and plunges to certain death.

Because that's how you BUILD a ship.

Also, lens flare.


(Edit :  Although 'Got Your Gun' was a good line.)

[Bunk]

1   Star Trek: The Motion Picture                      I forget, I fell asleep
2   Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan                    Space Fight (in 3d!)
3   Star Trek III: The Search for Spock                Fist Fight
4   Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home                      Run Away!
5   Star Trek V: The Final Frontier                    blocked from my memory
6   Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country                Space Fight   
                           
7   Star Trek: Generations                             Fist Fight
8   Star Trek: First Contact                           Gun Fight
9   Star Trek: Insurrection                            Fist Fight
10   Star Trek: Nemesis                                Fist Fight
                   
11   Star Trek                                         Fist Fight/Space Fight
12   Star Trek into Darkness                        

Seems Picard was the on for fist fight endings.

[Ingmar]

Saying that V was in any way "decent" and was in any way shape or form better than IV has invalidated all your opinions anyway. 

Yeah. V was a goddamn abomination. I think only Nemesis and that shitty TNG one on the magic healing planet with Zit-Faced Worf came close to its shittiness.

I am not a Trekkie - I'm old skool TOS all the way. I thought TNG got way too touchy-feely preachy. DS9 was good because it WASN'T that, had a more naturalistic feel. Khan was certainly the best Star Trek movie with the reboot my second favorite. I hope that this isn't Khan. I thought the trailer looked like a good action movie. That's what Trek is now.

Piling on here. IV was a fine movie, V is among the 5 worst movies I've ever seen in a theater.

[palmer_eldritch]

Cummerbatch as Khan.

What is this, I don't even.

Here's how this came out at my house.  I, of course, don't watch TV or otherwise get exposed to media and so my wife asks me to guess who is the villain in the new Star Trek.  After "There's a new Star Trek?  Is it J.J.?" I pop out "Khan!", to which she replies, "No, Benedict Cumberbatch!"



Now that I know he's actually playing Khan, though....

She may have got it right. I don't mind who the villain is, I'm just looking forward to seeing Benedict Cumberbatch play him.

[Lakov_Sanite]

It's funny in that V was one of the movies that most closely resembled the original series.

[Ironwood]

It's funnier someone said that ten minutes ago.

 

[Samwise]

Are you kidding ?

They totally had a fist fight on board the Romulan ship that was entirely constructed of walkways and plunges to certain death.

Wasn't kidding, I must have forgotten it because it wasn't either awesome or stupid enough to remember.  Picard punching bad guys is so inherently stupid that I remember all of those more clearly.

[Ironwood]

It was real stupid shit, but strangely compelling.

I did like the reboot.  Oddly.

[K9]

The reboot is one of the best-cast films I can think of, and I think that really makes a huge difference.

[Merusk]

If they're actually literally redoing Wrath of Khan, wouldn't this movie have to be set some time into or after the TOS timeline, when Kirk first meets Khan?  I thought they were still prequel-ing.  It's a pretty big jump from Cadet Kirk to Captain Kirk.

My assumption is that it's some previously unseen villain who wants revenge against the hero for some goddamn reason and therefore wants to destroy the Earth, and the hero must save the Earth by punching the villain in the face.  You know, same plot as the last two Trek movies.

(edit) Actually, I forget, did the last movie have a fistfight between Kirk and the bad guy?  I just know that all the TNG movies involved Picard getting into a hand to hand fight with the bad guy at the end for no goddamn good reason.

The summaries online say the baddie also destroys the entirety of Starfleet' ships which is why the Enterprise must intervene against a former Starfleet member out for revenge, so.. yeah. 

Nothing about what I've seen has screamed Khan to me other than fans fervent wishes. Just because it's Spock* in a radiation chamber doesn't mean it has to be Khan. Just that Spock has to do it to save the Enterprise for whatever reason the plot contrivance demands.  Stealing memorable moments from the old franchise to 'update' them for the new audience is nothing new for J.J.  Spock & Uhura, The Orion girl Kirk beds, Christopher Pike's injury, etc.

 * The hands look a lot like Quinto's hands, which we saw plenty of close-ups of in Heroes as he was eating brains and fixing watches.

[Lakov_Sanite]

It's funnier someone said that ten minutes ago.

 

Whoops, had my Scottish filter turned on.

[Evildrider]

The reboot is one of the best-cast films I can think of, and I think that really makes a huge difference.

My favorite choice is still Karl Urban as McCoy.

[Ironwood]

Nothing about what I've seen has screamed Khan to me other than fans fervent wishes. Just because it's Spock* in a radiation chamber doesn't mean it has to be Khan. Just that Spock has to do it to save the Enterprise for whatever reason the plot contrivance demands.  Stealing memorable moments from the old franchise to 'update' them for the new audience is nothing new for J.J.  Spock & Uhura, The Orion girl Kirk beds, Christopher Pike's injury, etc.

No, it totally looks like Gary Mitchell, but all the wiki and imdb say Khan.

Double bluff, methinks.