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Chimpy
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I didn't love or hate the movie when I saw it.
Granted, I watched it on Netflix at like 2 in the morning when I had insomnia so my opinion may be clouded.
I think I am going to have to watch it again as all I really remember is some high-rise getting shredded and Scotty doing a "plastered just-dumped nerd in a bar" schtick.
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Khaldun
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You may find things you feel are more memorable. In multiple ways.
Voyager was totally about what JMS pitched but it's pretty easy to see why the guys in charge at the time blanched and chickened out. But it's still not a bad reboot concept.
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Chimpy
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Ok, I just watched it again.
Ham-fisted is the first word that comes to mind.
I am not much of a Star Trek nerd so the whole "ruining what Star Trek should be" thing doesn't matter much to me but it was pretty bad.
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'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes.
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HaemishM
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Look, I enjoyed Into Darkness in the theater as a big dumb spectacle movie (even though there were parts that made me roll my eyes pretty hard, especially the reversal of the Kirk/Spock deaths from Trek 2). This is one of those movies that got worse the more I thought anything about it. Had I seen it on Netflix without the big 3D kablooey, I wouldn't have enjoyed it much at all.
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Soulflame
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I watched part of this, up until the point where Cucumberpatch and Kirk were launched out of photon torpedo tubes, and then I walked out of the room, so I wouldn't have to watch any more of it.
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All of the Trek reboots are simple Hollywood pander movies. They're not Trek. At all. Abrams doesn't even identify with the series, yet he was chosen to portray it; a ludicrous choice to say the least, simply designed to sell tickets based on the Director's name. The whole thing makes me a tad sick.
They need to get these more purist TV series ideas off the ground. Captain Worf, Axanar, etc.
Trek in movie-form really hasn't been done right aside from TMP, WoK, and maybe Undiscovered Country. To do it right again will take an approach more akin to the finales of DS9 or Voyager really. More epic in scale and complex in scope.
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Soulflame
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This may be crazy talk, but possibly Star Trek was born of 1960s optimism.
2010s Trek would... not be full of optimism.
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Space sci-fi has been horrible since the late-80s, in terms of movies.
edit: to specify big screen and not TV.
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Farscape was fun.
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Over and out.
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Ruvaldt
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Yeah, I think that's a little hyperbolic. DS9, Babylon 5, Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, Firefly and a few others have been non-horrible since the 80s.
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01101010
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You call it an accident. I call it justice.
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Adjusted my post. re: talking movies only.
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jgsugden
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1960s Star Trek was born of optimism. 1980s Star Trek (TNG) was also born of optimism - despite being released in the decade of Cold War, capitalistic overthrow and negative news beginning to truly dominate the headlines. I might be in the minority, but I think an optimistic Star Trek TV series could be just as successful now as it was in the 80s...
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Sir T
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I'd agree.
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All of the Trek reboots are simple Hollywood pander movies. They're not Trek. At all. Abrams doesn't even identify with the series, yet he was chosen to portray it; a ludicrous choice to say the least, simply designed to sell tickets based on the Director's name. The whole thing makes me a tad sick.
They need to get these more purist TV series ideas off the ground. Captain Worf, Axanar, etc.
Trek in movie-form really hasn't been done right aside from TMP, WoK, and maybe Undiscovered Country. To do it right again will take an approach more akin to the finales of DS9 or Voyager really. More epic in scale and complex in scope.
JJ Trek is equivalent to a reboot of "Lost" where all the survivors leave the island in the first hour. No matter how good the visuals, acting, etc when you completely miss the point of the source material you're going to piss off a lot of people. |
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I seem to recall saying something similar with the first ST movie. There were a lot of people here to argued the point that, "No, this is better. Old Trek was too stuffy and nobody gives a shit about high sci-fi when they go to a movie. Spectacle is better!"
Funny how things changed when the 2nd movie followed the same stupid-ass premise but was to a dearly-held thing like ST2.
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HaemishM
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I still think the first Trek was better than most of the TOS movies (other than 1-3 and about on par with 4), as well as much better than the TNG movies, despite its flaws and plot holes.
Into Darkness however... was just not. There wasn't any point in the first nuTrek while watching it in the theater that I stopped and said "HOLD ON A MINUTE." I was rolling my eyes about the time Cumberbatch revealed himself to be KHAN!!!!!
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Margalis
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The TNG movies were not good, either as movies or as TNG.
The first JJ Star Trek movie wasn't a good Star Trek thing, but it was an ok movie if you just ignore that it's supposed to be Star Trek.
I don't know that Trek really lends itself to movies, and certainly not a typical Hollywood movie. Almost every TNG film suffered from trying to go bigger on the action and set pieces and such, which weren't particularly well-done and also detracted from the things that actually made Trek good. Even the more action-centric episodes of TNG don't have a lot of action in them, moreso the threat of action with only small bits of real action.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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I still think the first Trek was better than most of the TOS movies (other than 1-3 and about on par with 4), as well as much better than the TNG movies, despite its flaws and plot holes.
Into Darkness however... was just not. There wasn't any point in the first nuTrek while watching it in the theater that I stopped and said "HOLD ON A MINUTE." I was rolling my eyes about the time Cumberbatch revealed himself to be KHAN!!!!!
The only truly good TOS movies were 2 and 6 in my opinion. TNG had only First Contact. (I seriously love that movie.). I enjoyed the first JJ-Trek but Into Darkness had Damon Lindledof stink all over it. |
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Ironwood
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First Contact was Baws. Horrible fucking movie.
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Ironwood
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We have. Oh, so many many times.
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Margalis
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I like Trek 5 and 6 - in some ways 5 is the most like an actual Trek episode, dealing with some philosophical themes and such. It's not executed particularly well but at least the premise is both interesting and Trek-like.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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HaemishM
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Star Trek 4 is great. Fuck all you haters. (pretty sure I've said that many times before. Then again, I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation many times before.)I actually liked 4, but it was a terribly campy movie. |
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Star Trek 4 is great. Fuck all you haters. (pretty sure I've said that many times before. Then again, I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation many times before.)I actually liked 4, but it was a terribly campy movie. 4 is a fun movie. But it's not a good Trek movie. It's basically 3 men and a little whale. |
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Khaldun
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The underlying ideas are more consistently Trek though than the new movies. But it's not a terribly good movie and it doesn't age well.
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Despite the fact we've done it many times before, I shall do it again because it is my lunch hour and I'm bored:
ToS
1 - Too slow, too 70's, but a decent movie
2 - Classic. A well crafted movie.
3 - Christopher Lloyd Klingon, lol
4 - Fun, campy movie.
5 - utter drek - only one I've only watched once
6 - Underappreciated. Solid Trek movie. Fun.
NG
1 - I pretend this never happened. My Captain Kirk didn't die because Malcolm McDowell dropped a fucking bridge on his head
2 - First Contact had plenty of dumb parts and flaws, but it was fun and certainly the best of the NGs
3 - Crap. Barely qualified as a tv episode worthy plot
4 - Had no fucking clue what was going on in this drivel
Reboot
1 - a really cool movie if you let go of the source material and take it for a fun space action film
2 - uggh. Forget letting go of the source material, as its nothing but recycled stuff. Cut 50% of the nostalgia pandering and this might have been watchable. Barely.
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01101010
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Let it go. The trauma has been inflcted. Let it go and let the healing begin before the next film is released.
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What the hell was that? Who funded it?
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« Last Edit: September 16, 2015, 01:28:54 PM by Merusk »
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jgsugden
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IIRC, she was a bit crazy behind the scenes during the years she was on the show... |
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