Evil Dead (2013)

[Samwise]

Now I actually want to watch it again.  I could have sworn the plant rape was done with CGI.

[Ironwood]

On a side note I was horrified when I saw some parents brought their 4 year old to it. The poor kid cried and wailed a lot and they had to take him out of the theater.

Are you fucking kidding me ?

[Merusk]

People are morons.

I'm sure they'll also bitch at the kid for not sleeping or being afraid of the dark from here on out.

My question is, as it's R why did nobody at the theater tell them "don't do this" or "we won't LET you do this."  Our need to "not get involved" has reached stupid proportions of apathy.

[Selby]

My question is, as it's R why did nobody at the theater tell them "don't do this" or "we won't LET you do this."

An R rating merely means you have to parental permission\supervision to attend the movie when you're under 17.  If the parents bring the kids in most movie theater companies won't say anything unless the patrons complain about the kid being disruptive.

[Velorath]

People are morons.

I'm sure they'll also bitch at the kid for not sleeping or being afraid of the dark from here on out.

My question is, as it's R why did nobody at the theater tell them "don't do this" or "we won't LET you do this."  Our need to "not get involved" has reached stupid proportions of apathy.

Some theaters have restrictions on the being able to bring kids under a certain age into R rated movies after a certain time, but that's largely for the consideration of other customers. Ultimately it's not the responsibility of the people at the theater to tell people they're being shitty parents.

[UnSub]

On a side note I was horrified when I saw some parents brought their 4 year old to it. The poor kid cried and wailed a lot and they had to take him out of the theater.

Are you fucking kidding me ?

Not in the same league, but I remember parents who brought their young (4 - 6ish) daughter to a screening of "Jurassic Park 3". After saying, "HELLO!" to every new face that popped up on screen, the poor girl screamed through the first dinosaur scenes. I think they took her out after that.

[MahrinSkel]

My 5 year old would probably just laugh inappropriately the whole time.  I convinced her very early on that "scary" movies were actually funny.  "See the vampire trying to run with his head on fire?  Silly vampire, going out in the sunlight."

--Dave

[Ironwood]

Ultimately it's not the responsibility of the people at the theater to tell people they're being shitty parents.

 

[Velorath]

Ultimately it's not the responsibility of the people at the theater to tell people they're being shitty parents.

 

I'm sure most of the people on this board don't work in any sort of customer service related job, and thus can't appreciate the difference between enforcing an actual rule (like the R ratings policy) and enforcing a rule that doesn't actually exist in a Won't Somebody Think of the Children effort.  As it is, some people get pissed off at the former. The latter would piss more people off and likely get somebody fired. Ultimately in the U.S. at least it would be up to the MPAA to make changes to the rules, or for the chains to expand their "no children under 6 in R rated movies after 6" that most of them have (which again is from a standpoint of doing it for the sake of the other customers as opposed to concerns for the children), and even that creates other problems, like theater hopping.

Like I said though, ultimately it's the parent's job to raise their kids. You can't expect the guy at the theater to do it, any more than you can expect the guy at the grocery store to tell parents to put away some of the junk food and buy some fucking fruits and vegetables. If people are bringing their kid to the theater to watch Evil Dead, I would guess they're watching the same kind of stuff at home.

[Hammond]

On a side note I was horrified when I saw some parents brought their 4 year old to it. The poor kid cried and wailed a lot and they had to take him out of the theater.

Are you fucking kidding me ?

Nope and my buddy went out and grabbed a drink part way through and asked mentioned to the ticket guy about it. He just shook his head and said there is nothing that you can do.

As far as the cgi comment goes then he did some weird camera tricks to do a few things without cgi. The jeep scene at the first just looked fake as hell. The plant rape scene looked like stop motion to me to be honest.

This guy thinks there is "very little" cgi   http://www.starpulse.com/news/Evan_Crean/2013/04/07/weekend_movie_preview_evil_dead_and_ju whatever that means.

[Ironwood]

Ultimately it's not the responsibility of the people at the theater to tell people they're being shitty parents.

 

I'm sure most of the people on this board don't work in any sort of customer service related job, and thus can't appreciate the difference between enforcing an actual rule (like the R ratings policy) and enforcing a rule that doesn't actually exist in a Won't Somebody Think of the Children effort.  As it is, some people get pissed off at the former. The latter would piss more people off and likely get somebody fired. Ultimately in the U.S. at least it would be up to the MPAA to make changes to the rules, or for the chains to expand their "no children under 6 in R rated movies after 6" that most of them have (which again is from a standpoint of doing it for the sake of the other customers as opposed to concerns for the children), and even that creates other problems, like theater hopping.

Like I said though, ultimately it's the parent's job to raise their kids. You can't expect the guy at the theater to do it, any more than you can expect the guy at the grocery store to tell parents to put away some of the junk food and buy some fucking fruits and vegetables. If people are bringing their kid to the theater to watch Evil Dead, I would guess they're watching the same kind of stuff at home.

It's different over here, clearly.

I have seen, and have done, the 'Hoy, Mate, Take your Kid Out the Damn Theatre' before.  My mother tapped the fuckstick in the seats in front of me, who had a 5 year old freaking out as heads were lopped heads off and said 'Can I take your child outside for a wee sweetie or something, she seems scared'.  Chap quickly removed himself from the theatre.

In my view, while it might be the parents job to raise their kids, it's also a community job to ensure that lines are not being crossed.  I don't want to see a drunken dad leathering the fuck out of his kid in a shopping mall and I AM going to stop and ask 'everything ok here'.  Similarly, I will ask a parent if the action they are taking has really been thought through.  Do I have any authority, moral or otherwise, when they tell me to go fuck myself ?  No.  Of course not.  Do I expect people in a theatre/job situation to make a big deal if they think they're getting fired ?  That's up to them.

But I know personally I simply could not stand by and watch.  And I'd WANT someone to do the same thing to me if it was Elena.


Also, the fruits and vegetables analogy is a little off.

[Velorath]

It's different over here, clearly.

I have seen, and have done, the 'Hoy, Mate, Take your Kid Out the Damn Theatre' before.  My mother tapped the fuckstick in the seats in front of me, who had a 5 year old freaking out as heads were lopped heads off and said 'Can I take your child outside for a wee sweetie or something, she seems scared'.  Chap quickly removed himself from the theatre.

In my view, while it might be the parents job to raise their kids, it's also a community job to ensure that lines are not being crossed.  I don't want to see a drunken dad leathering the fuck out of his kid in a shopping mall and I AM going to stop and ask 'everything ok here'.  Similarly, I will ask a parent if the action they are taking has really been thought through.  Do I have any authority, moral or otherwise, when they tell me to go fuck myself ?  No.  Of course not.  Do I expect people in a theatre/job situation to make a big deal if they think they're getting fired ?  That's up to them.

But I know personally I simply could not stand by and watch.  And I'd WANT someone to do the same thing to me if it was Elena.


Also, the fruits and vegetables analogy is a little off.

Well I'd definitely say that it's easier to not just stand by and watch when it doesn't actually involve your job. I work at a movie theater. If a kid is being disruptive I can ask the family to leave, but if not I can't just kick people out on moral grounds unless I feel like being unemployed. If I'm just at a theater watching a movie, then there would be nothing holding me back from saying something to the irresponsible parents, although again given the rules in place I'd generally be considered the one who is causing a disturbance at that point and be the one kicked out. As a non-parent myself, in either situation I'm also sure the conversation would rapidly come to the "if you don't have kids how the hell are you going to tell me about parenting" card being played.

The father beating the kid situation I think would get quick response from people, at least around where I live. Also, try living in the U.S. for awhile and you might find promoting a reasonably proper diet to be a bigger moral imperative than keeping young kids from watching Evil Dead. I would imagine eating junk most of your childhood has longer lasting ramifications. Anyhow that's probably a longer tangent about MPAA and ratings policies than people need in an Evil Dead thread, but I was just set off a bit by Merusk's characterization of the theater people being apathetic and just minding their own business, which I'm sure he didn't actually mean anything by but it's just one of those things where somebody outside of your line of work criticizes it without understanding that there are reasons why things are done the way they are. It's the same reason I get annoyed when people comment on the pricing of snacks in theaters.

[Ironwood]

I can see entirely where you're coming from.

[DraconianOne]

Well I'd definitely say that it's easier to not just stand by and watch when it doesn't actually involve your job. I work at a movie theater. If a kid is being disruptive I can ask the family to leave, but if not I can't just kick people out on moral grounds unless I feel like being unemployed.

Interesting. UK cinemas are required to refuse admission to anyone who is underage as part of their licensing agreement (Licensing Act 2003, Section 20)  Cinemas will do it as well - I was behind a family at a cinema in Nottingham who couldn't understand why they weren't being allowed to bring their 8 year old in to see Watchmen because, well, superhero films are kids films right?

Funniest story I heard was from a friend who worked in a cinema in Leeds who had to turn away a couple who were bringing their toddler into see an 18 rated film. The thing is, it wasn't the toddler that was the problem - the parents weren't old enough themselves. 

[Merusk]

See, Ironwood said what I was thinking.   I also put it on the theater managers, not the staff.  You have every right to refuse service as a business in this instance.  Our cultural need to "not get involved, keep your head down and out of their affairs," is at play here.  So we'll stay uninvolved in clearly out-of-bounds situations then complain about how shitty our society is.

[apocrypha]

To be fair in the UK if you stick your nose in you're unlikely to get shot.

[Ironwood]

Well, I did once intervene with a guy being handy with his girl and got the shit kicked out of me, if that helps.

Doesn't really stop you doing it again.  Though it does make you keep an eye on the woman throughout, since she was the one that started the attack.  No gratitude, I fucking tell you.

[murdoc]

It's the same reason I get annoyed when people comment on the pricing of snacks in theaters.

I'm actually really curious what you have to say about this, as I am one who continually comments on the pricing of snacks in the theatres. I probably go to a movie theatre at least once every couple weeks and I've never understood that pricing other than they can charge it because people will actually pay it.

[Merusk]

It's the only way the theater makes money. Ticket prices are set by the distribution companies, so theaters can't make rent, pay and utilities money off of them.  Concessions are the only way they stay open. 

[Samwise]

Though it does make you keep an eye on the woman throughout, since she was the one that started the attack.  No gratitude, I fucking tell you.

 

[HaemishM]

Stuff about parents bringing kids to entirely inappropriate movies.

All well and good. Unfortunately, in America, we are litigious as fuck and all think we are special cases who can handle it. So in the case of 4-year old in Evil Dead, the theater tries to stop the parents, the theater gets the shit sued out of it and suddenly everyone is that much more gunshy about actually trying to be decent human beings.

We are a doomed fucking civilization and we've done it all to ourselves.

[Ironwood]

Though it does make you keep an eye on the woman throughout, since she was the one that started the attack.  No gratitude, I fucking tell you.

 

True Story.

[Velorath]

It's the same reason I get annoyed when people comment on the pricing of snacks in theaters.

I'm actually really curious what you have to say about this, as I am one who continually comments on the pricing of snacks in the theatres. I probably go to a movie theatre at least once every couple weeks and I've never understood that pricing other than they can charge it because people will actually pay it.

Merusk's answer is correct.  Studios end up with a high percentage of the box office sales so they can keep bringing us $200 million masterpieces like Jack the Giant Slayer and Battleship. Concession sales are the bulk of a theater's income.

[shiznitz]

The amount of the box office the movie theater gets increases with the number of weeks the movie is in release.  For big blockbusters, the theater's take can be as little as 15% for the first two weeks.  For movies without a big opening week expectations, that figure is 20%.  At least that's what is was when I used to follow movie theater stocks.

On the snacks, I have never ever had trouble sneaking in my own food in my wife's purse.  I will usually cave and buy a drink, though.

[Samwise]

The amount of the box office the movie theater gets increases with the number of weeks the movie is in release.  For big blockbusters, the theater's take can be as little as 15% for the first two weeks.  For movies without a big opening week expectations, that figure is 20%.  At least that's what is was when I used to follow movie theater stocks.

So wait -- would I be doing my local theaters a favor by waiting to see movies until they're almost on their way out?

[shiznitz]

Yes.  In week 4 and beyond, the theater will get much better economics.

I do not know how the 3D craze affects box office share.  It seems like the ticket premium should go to the theater for investing in 3D visuals, but I suspect the studio gets a hand in the pocket somehow.

[Velorath]

Yes.  In week 4 and beyond, the theater will get much better economics.

I do not know how the 3D craze affects box office share.  It seems like the ticket premium should go to the theater for investing in 3D visuals, but I suspect the studio gets a hand in the pocket somehow.

The motivation for studios to make 3D movies in the first place is for increased box office grosses so I can't see theaters taking a larger than usual percentage of that. "Premium" type theater experiences would generally be the theaters way to get increased revenue from ticket sales, but I'm not entirely sure as that's not really my area of expertise. I do believe the studios, or at least many of the major ones helped fund the digital switchover to some extent for the big chains. With most studios completely doing away with film this year, I've seen a number of articles saying that it's the smaller local theaters who are having the problems getting together enough money to go digital and are facing having to shut down.

[Ironwood]

 Studios end up with a high percentage of the box office sales so they can keep bringing us $200 million masterpieces like Jack the Giant Slayer and Battleship.

Hohoho.  That one singed my fucking eyebrows just reading it.

[HaemishM]

So I finally watched this tonight.

This was shit. The guy with the glasses and long hair was a terrible fucking actor. The blonde girl served no purpose to the story before her possession - you could be forgiven for forgetting she was even in the movie. Nothing was scary... just gross. Very, very gross. I have not seen the original so I can't compare but this one just reminded me of the Hostel type of ow that looks like it hurt blearg substituting for scary.

[Ruvaldt]

I have not seen the original...

How?  How have you not seen The Evil Dead over the past 33 years?  And why did you choose to watch the 2013 remake before watching the Sam Raimi directed original?  Why, Haemish?  Why?!

[HaemishM]

It was on a pay channel. Also, I'm lazy.

[Ironwood]

You really ought to watch the originals.  They will make you laugh if nothing else.

[Rendakor]

The originals are so-bad-it's-good territory, but Army of Darkness is fucking fantastic.

[HaemishM]

I've seen Army of Darkness and love it. This one seemed to decide that it wanted its gore to be so ridiculous it was funny only it forget that it had no sense of humor to begin with.

[Teleku]

The originals are so-bad-it's-good territory, but Army of Darkness is fucking fantastic.

I love Army of Darkness, but I'm going to have to say Evil Dead 2 was better.  Its just the most awesome mix of dark comedy, gore (comedic gore mind you), and pulp cheese ever.  While Army of Darkness was more slapstick spoof comedy (not that theirs anything wrong with that).  Evil dead 1 is fine for what it is.  A fun project done by a couple of Michigan college students in the early 80's.  Actually in that regard, its great.

Have not bothered to see the remake.