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Reply #70 on: January 08, 2014, 02:16:59 AM

Aye, I'll agree with that.  I just liked that we actually had an episode that was constructed well and knew how to build, even if what it was building to was obvious in the first five minutes.

Also, Hilarious.  Sherlocks Drunk Cam made me piss myself.  Especially 'Cardigan'.

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Reply #71 on: January 08, 2014, 02:17:08 AM

Yeah, enjoyed Sign of Three, although the "how he did it" bit was nonsense.

Feels to me like Gatiss is writing the character interactions and dialogue, which are good, and Moffat is writing the plots, which aren't that great.

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Reply #72 on: January 08, 2014, 07:50:43 AM

I loved Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes.  Michael Caine and Robert Downey Jr. were awesome as funny Sherlocks.  I used to watch the old old films with Rasil Bathbone, too, and enjoyed them.  But Jeremy Brett will ALWAYS be Sherlock Holmes for me.  He was brilliant.  I miss him!  :(

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Reply #73 on: January 08, 2014, 08:11:59 AM

Michael Caine didn't really play Sherlock though.  He played someone pretending to be Sherlock.

That film had Ghandi in it too.

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Reply #74 on: January 08, 2014, 09:57:39 AM

I loved Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes.  Michael Caine and Robert Downey Jr. were awesome as funny Sherlocks.  I used to watch the old old films with Rasil Bathbone, too, and enjoyed them.  But Jeremy Brett will ALWAYS be Sherlock Holmes for me.  He was brilliant.  I miss him!  :(

I have to agree. Brett is the definite Sherlock Holmes for me too (and always will be)  awesome, for real
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Reply #75 on: January 13, 2014, 07:37:00 AM

The third (and last) episode of season 3 of Sherlock was entertaining but not really memorable. Still I'm really glad that a 4th season is in the works  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #76 on: January 13, 2014, 04:31:25 PM

I apologise in advance for anyone who took my words of encouragement on the 2nd Ep and then watched the 3rd.

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Reply #77 on: January 13, 2014, 10:20:27 PM

Heh. Rasil Bathbone.

On the third ep, yeah the Moffatry has returned full force.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #78 on: January 27, 2014, 08:27:36 AM

Sign of Three was fantastic, and hilarious.

and...

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Reply #79 on: April 04, 2014, 01:20:22 PM

Blatant shoutout to Anonymous on the show last night. Making Holmes do funny shit in exchange for work was great.

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Reply #80 on: April 04, 2014, 01:24:28 PM

What ?

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Reply #81 on: April 04, 2014, 01:41:00 PM

Presumably a reference to Elementary, the US version of Sherlock that's running on... some broadcast channel.
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Reply #82 on: April 04, 2014, 01:46:16 PM

It is indeed in reference to elementary. Running on CBS.

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Reply #83 on: April 04, 2014, 01:58:23 PM

Why are both of these shows in the same thread again?

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Reply #84 on: April 04, 2014, 01:58:44 PM

Not everything is about you blokes across the water.  why so serious?

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Reply #85 on: April 04, 2014, 01:59:48 PM

Why are both of these shows in the same thread again?
No idea.
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Reply #86 on: April 04, 2014, 02:00:41 PM

I'm actually surprised schild allowed it. He gets upset when we try to talk about multiple movies in the same thread over in that subforum.

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Reply #87 on: April 04, 2014, 03:55:53 PM

Blatant shoutout to Anonymous on the show last night. Making Holmes do funny shit in exchange for work was great.

"Everyone" was introduced last season and did the same thing.  They had it to silly levels of controlling the power to his house and turning off and on appliances.

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Reply #88 on: April 04, 2014, 04:44:24 PM

Ah hell, I missed that one. Wife doesn't like the show, so I only get to watch it every now and again.

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Reply #89 on: April 04, 2014, 05:36:23 PM

Last night's Elementary was reasonably decent.  We casually try to catch Elementary, although we're not really dedicated to any shows right now.
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Reply #90 on: April 13, 2014, 08:16:23 PM

Saw the first episode of Sherlock, and thought it was very good.

Looking at the episode listing on Netflix, is it normal to only have 3 episodes per season?
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Reply #91 on: April 14, 2014, 02:52:29 AM

Looking at the episode listing on Netflix, is it normal to only have 3 episodes per season?

Yeap. Every episode is 1,5h.
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Reply #92 on: April 14, 2014, 06:27:20 AM

Is that a British thing? 

Just seems odd since US shows are usually 13 or 26 episodes per season, some of which being an hour long each.  Not that i'm complaining, I'd rather a show be tighter and better written with less filler.
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Reply #93 on: April 14, 2014, 06:58:30 AM

No, it's a Sherlock thing.

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Reply #94 on: June 11, 2014, 06:23:28 AM

Is it a Sherlock thing to get trounced by the bad guy at the end of every season?  I enjoy this show but the third season in particular had almost no actual mystery solving, and also had the bad guy run circles around Sherlock the whole way through.


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Reply #95 on: June 11, 2014, 06:28:30 AM

Edit :  Yes.




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Reply #96 on: June 30, 2014, 05:17:17 PM

It's been out long enough I'm not going to be spoiling for anyone but Sherlock DID know(or at least heavily presumed) once the glasses were taken off.  Sherlock taking the laptop was simply him coming up with a bad plan which he was hoping might work if there was an actual vault.  He specifically had Watson bring a gun to Christmas ahead of time knowing the course of action he would most likely be forced to take to protect those he loved.  The scene in the closet was not a shot of Sherlock thinking "oh my god I've been foiled"  it was him resigning himself to what his next action would have to be now that he had confirmation.  He even asked again, out loud with the helicopter "are you really, super sure about this?"(paraphrasing)

The bad guy in this episode wasn't really all that smart, he just had a great memory and leverage.  In that way I don't think he was a great villain because it was never really a game of wit, it was brute force from the beginning. Still enjoyed it though.

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Reply #97 on: July 01, 2014, 06:32:23 AM

I understand your points, but shouldn't a show about Sherlock Holmes have him capable of coming up with GOOD plans?  And your comment about the brute force villain just makes it worse.

Look, I'm no Holmes purist or anything.  Really, I have little actual knowledge of the character and have never read any of the books or seen anything other than this and the first RDJ movie.  But even I know that he's famous for being a smart guy who is good at solving mysteries/crimes.  That's like his core competency.  I feel the writers could try to come up with something more interesting than "let the bad guy run circles around me until it gets to the point that I'm cornered and have to come up with some crazy hail mary move that doesn't actually make me win, only not lose so badly."  This has happened twice, now.  I accepted it with Moriarty because the "I lost deliberately so I could go off the grid and dismantle his network" actually made some sense.  But for them to do it again the very next season seems weak.

Sorry about all the bitching.  I really do like this show.  I think I feel the same way Ironwood does about Dr. Who: a good character marred by bad writers making him do nonsensical things to further a weak plot.

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Reply #98 on: July 01, 2014, 07:08:44 AM

I agree and disagree. 

First off I'll agree that creating a villain that is more a brute force type is somewhat boring, they shouldn't have tried making another big bad villain in the first place.  If you do make another Moriarty type you will inevitably have to compare the two and since you can't make someone smarter than Moriarty you have to make the villain powerful in some other way which doesn't work as well in a Sherlock Holmes story.

Now to disagree.  While I don't like the brute force villain as the season finale I do like that the writers wanted to expand on the character and not just do the same old criminal mastermind of the week.  Glasses guy could have made a compelling episode two villain but then again that's the problem with three episode seasons, there's only room for so much.  Again I don't think bad guy was running circles around Sherlock but the episode did a really piss poor job of actually showing Sherlock's side of things.

All in all it wasn't a terrible episode in my mind, it was an imperfect ending to a case but at least one of the episodes needed a messy, imperfect ending it just shouldn't have been the finale.

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Reply #99 on: July 01, 2014, 10:22:49 AM

I'll disagree quite strongly with the thought that it's not a Sherlock Holmes thing, it's certainly not a central part of the character but it was Conan Doyle himself who set that sort of climax up. The original confrontation with Moriarty was exactly that, Holmes thinking through the whole fight with 'If he does X I'll do Y and he'll do Z and...' with Holmes realising he doesn't have any smart option left and throwing himself off the falls with Moriarty. Part of the character (now) is that he's willing to doom himself if he sees that that's the optimal solution. Sometimes he doesn't just logic his way to victory.

Of course this also led to Holmes being the poster boy for the fake death/comeback trope since Conan Doyle needed to make some cash. Interesting point regarding him is that Conan Doyle always viewed the Sherlock stories as total hack writing he only did for the money totally devoid of any literary merit. On the other hand his 'literary masterpiece' (the White Company) is complete drek.

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Reply #100 on: July 02, 2014, 08:01:19 AM

His follow up 'The Black Company' was just as bad.

And Glenn Cook was a stupid pseudonym.


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Reply #101 on: May 15, 2015, 12:36:29 AM

Don't know if anyone is still watching Elementary, but that was a dark turn for Sherlock in the finale.
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Reply #102 on: May 15, 2015, 05:36:20 PM

I watch it but I haven't seen that episode left.  I've watched nearly all his stuff since Sick Boy.  I can't let go.

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Reply #103 on: October 25, 2015, 09:37:47 AM

Just going to leave this here. Didn't see it mentioned elsewhere.

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Reply #104 on: January 01, 2016, 06:14:53 PM

"Period" special episode of Sherlock airs tonight on PBS (and I think it may have aired on BBC tonight too?).


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