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Reply #35 on: October 13, 2012, 12:55:56 PM

I can't believe that in this day and age first names have to be unique anyway.  They should have let us pick a family name at character creation and insisted that IT be unique.
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Reply #36 on: October 13, 2012, 04:03:11 PM

Except they also screwed people on family names already.

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Reply #37 on: October 13, 2012, 04:19:03 PM

Actually, the unscrewed people on family names.  They're no longer unique.

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Reply #38 on: October 13, 2012, 04:48:55 PM

Heh so they got it exactly backwards. Nice work!
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Reply #39 on: October 14, 2012, 02:56:33 PM

They should have let us pick a family name at character creation and insisted that IT be unique.

I still prefer some sort of unique id.  Let character names be anything.
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Reply #40 on: October 14, 2012, 04:08:41 PM

That would be fine too. I feel a little silly for being so pissed off over the loss of all my names but it's seriously put me off the game.  I probably won't play even for free until they either fix the problem or at least fire all the blockheads that made the original stupid decisions that led to it.
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Reply #41 on: October 14, 2012, 05:26:06 PM

That would be fine too. I feel a little silly for being so pissed off over the loss of all my names but it's seriously put me off the game.  I probably won't play even for free until they either fix the problem or at least fire all the blockheads that made the original stupid decisions that led to it.

The decision to launch with too many servers? Those people all *have* been fired.

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Reply #42 on: October 17, 2012, 06:23:28 PM

F2P restrictions list is out:

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

Highlights:

  • Can only do the "revive in place" thing 5 times - it doesn't specify weekly or ever, I suspect weekly - before having to buy a thing to enable it for good
  • Can't equip purples without a license (so any 50s coming back in their raid gear are... uh... kinda hosed)
  • No bank whatsoever, and can't expand the miniscule default inventory. This is even stricter than EQ2
  • You can only have a single crew skill, which is kind of baffling since I imagine there will also be auction house limits for freebies, and a single crew skill is... well... worthless
« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 06:32:39 PM by koro »
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Reply #43 on: October 17, 2012, 08:06:45 PM

Can't equip purples without a license (so any 50s coming back in their raid gear are... uh... kinda hosed)

I suspect raid gear that is already equipped will be grandfathered in. Still a really unappealing restriction, especially considering how much purple gear exists pre-endgame. We still need to hear exact pricing details but this is one of those F2P limitations that is a big turn off for me.

Having to pay for content feels worthwhile. Having to pay to equip gear I already earned feels like getting ripped off.
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Reply #44 on: October 17, 2012, 08:09:42 PM

  • Can't equip purples without a license (so any 50s coming back in their raid gear are... uh... kinda hosed)

That one made me laugh for some reason. Probably because it seems petty somehow.

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Reply #45 on: October 18, 2012, 07:46:30 AM

Meh.  If I don't have bank access after purchasing and subbing for six months, they can stuff a lightsaber where the sun don't shine.

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Reply #46 on: October 18, 2012, 08:21:28 AM

I highly doubt I'd find F2P SWtOR feasible. The restrictions seem even more draconian than those set up for CoH, which left that game all but unusable. I'm fine with coming back when they introduce some of the features I'm looking forward to but I think I'll be subbing to do so.

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Reply #47 on: October 18, 2012, 08:25:52 AM

Definitely what I consider fake F2P.

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Reply #48 on: October 18, 2012, 08:32:28 AM

The draconian shit is all gateway drug.  You pay a dollar and it all turns on permanently.  They just want to force you to put your info on file.

EDIT:

Previous subscriber reward info here:  http://www.swtor.com/free

Basically cartel coins per month you subscribed.  A bonus for CE and digital delux.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 09:04:44 AM by Amaron »
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Reply #49 on: October 18, 2012, 02:37:23 PM

More like you pay a dollar and it turns on for a week.  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #50 on: October 18, 2012, 03:22:25 PM

Meh.  If I don't have bank access after purchasing and subbing for six months, they can stuff a lightsaber where the sun don't shine.

I didn't even like SWTOR and think not having a bank of any kind is FUCKING CRAZY. Just call it a free trial.

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Reply #51 on: October 18, 2012, 03:57:19 PM

More like you pay a dollar and it turns on for a week.  Ohhhhh, I see.
Yep.

I wasn't sure it was possible to make me less excited about an f2p conversion than eq2 and lotro, but they did it! I still can't get my head around the advantages of restricting WZs and flashpoints to 3/week unless you pay $$$ every week. Why restrict people from re-running repeatable group content to keep them in the game longer (and improve queues / pvp population / etc for the subscribers as well)? The ONLY place where this almost makes sense is restricting raids (COH did this too with incarnates being sub-only)
« Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 03:58:58 PM by Zetor »

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Reply #52 on: October 18, 2012, 07:25:13 PM

More like you pay a dollar and it turns on for a week.  Ohhhhh, I see.

It says it right at the top of the link you posted:

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Preferred Status - Making a purchase will unlock access to the following features:

Most F2P do this now.  They come up with a bunch of draconian restrictions to force a single purchase.  It's a good way to get rid of people who won't actually pay anything.
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Reply #53 on: October 18, 2012, 07:27:59 PM

Yeah the hand-wringing is a bit much, its the same deal as LOTRO: buy one thing there and you become "premium" and get access to a whole bunch more shit.

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Reply #54 on: October 19, 2012, 12:18:27 AM

The subject of my handwringing is stuff that doesn't work that way, ie. WZs/FPs/purpz requiring a weekly payment to use/equip. I wouldn't have a problem if these were features permanently unlocked via a vet reward (like COH) or even a one-time payment.
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Reply #55 on: October 19, 2012, 12:43:24 AM

The gear-equipping does not mention a weekly pass like the other things, it is almost certainly pay-once.

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Reply #56 on: October 19, 2012, 12:51:16 AM

Hm yeah missed that... doesn't address the WZ/FP thing, though.

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Reply #57 on: October 19, 2012, 02:20:17 AM

Plus the details of this aren't being posted on gaming news sites. What ex-subscribers and potential new players are seeing is "No purples" and "No bank" and "No raids".

You thought SWTOR was dead before? This will stop the corpse twitching.

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Reply #58 on: October 20, 2012, 11:53:08 PM

You thought SWTOR was dead before?

It's not even remotely dead.  That's why this looks so draconian.  Going F2P with 500k+ subs is insane otherwise.
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Reply #59 on: October 21, 2012, 08:15:06 AM

Repeat it until it becomes lodged in your brain forever: 500k for SWTOR is not 500k for LOTRO is not 500k for Rift. That 500k number is them bleeding money and they have to goose numbers.

This is why it's absurd to talk about MMO subs as a constant indicator of success. You can only sort them out in light of how much a game's development costs are
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Reply #60 on: October 21, 2012, 04:00:53 PM

I'm just sad my Trooper's Squad stopped talking to me.  sad

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Reply #61 on: October 21, 2012, 05:22:07 PM

Well Tanno Vik at least would be quiet anyway, since his voice actor died.  sad
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Reply #62 on: October 21, 2012, 06:34:20 PM

Oh I didn't know that.

That makes it even more sad  cry

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Reply #63 on: October 21, 2012, 08:33:15 PM

Repeat it until it becomes lodged in your brain forever: 500k for SWTOR is not 500k for LOTRO is not 500k for Rift. That 500k number is them bleeding money and they have to goose numbers.

They already bled the money.  That's totally immaterial to what they do moving forward.  The game can be a total failure and not be "dead".  You need to get over your wish for this game to die and look at reality.
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Reply #64 on: October 21, 2012, 10:14:09 PM

Repeat it until it becomes lodged in your brain forever: 500k for SWTOR is not 500k for LOTRO is not 500k for Rift. That 500k number is them bleeding money and they have to goose numbers.

They already bled the money.  That's totally immaterial to what they do moving forward.  The game can be a total failure and not be "dead".  You need to get over your wish for this game to die and look at reality.

This. The game is almost certainly not 'bleeding money' compared to its ongoing operating costs.

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Reply #65 on: October 21, 2012, 10:16:46 PM

Well Tanno Vik at least would be quiet anyway, since his voice actor died.  sad

Aw no, really? I liked his voice.  Heartbreak


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Reply #66 on: October 22, 2012, 01:57:00 AM

I was really only going by the discussion on these boards which has mostly been about server merges (that well-known indicator of MMO success) over the last few weeks.

If there's still 500k subs then that's better than I expected at this point, good for them. The announced F2P restrictions however, IMO, will do nothing to increase that number.

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Reply #67 on: October 22, 2012, 02:46:41 AM

Well Tanno Vik at least would be quiet anyway, since his voice actor died.  sad

Aw no, really? I liked his voice.  Heartbreak

Yep, sadly. Of the evil/thuggish melee tank companions (Vik, Skadge, Broonmark, Khem Val), I disliked Vik the least.
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Reply #68 on: October 22, 2012, 03:06:00 AM

I still haven't met Skadge (Ingmar will want to play his IA one of these days, and my bounty hunter will finally get played), but I've heard he is utterly loathesome. I liked Vik well enough. I mean, he's an enormous douchebag, but he doesn't get all fussy when you tell him so.

Lord Spoiler is also an evil melee tank, however, and he is my favorite of that particular group. I like Khem too, though.  why so serious?

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Reply #69 on: October 22, 2012, 03:40:44 AM

Khem is awesome.

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