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on: September 10, 2012, 11:36:23 AM

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Reply #1 on: September 10, 2012, 11:43:32 AM

Yeah that's disappointing, but I think we knew it was just going to be an Op content-wise this patch so I got the disappointment out of the way already before.  why so serious? There are a number of interesting PVP-related changes as well I think.

And finally, companion color matching, at long last.

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Reply #2 on: September 10, 2012, 12:45:10 PM

There's a lot of interesting stuff in there. New raid to learn and a bunch of quality-of-life changes I'm always on board for. The PvP stuff and the class changes surrounding that largely don't affect me, so it's no issue on my end. I'm not thrilled that Guardian/Juggernaut tanking isn't being tweaked though, but oh well. Character moods sound fun, and companion color matching (and the fixing of those goddamn always-out weapons) have been two things I've been dying for.

All in all, I'm pretty excited for this, and it'll definitely give me and my guild something to do until the F2P stuff in Novemberish.
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Reply #3 on: September 10, 2012, 01:20:46 PM

I am amused they have a new animation for Force Stasis. I am still going to call it Not-Force-Choke, though.

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Reply #4 on: September 10, 2012, 01:42:41 PM

Where is Recruit MK2 gear compared to battlemaster and war hero?

'Cos when I tried some pvp on my sage and vanguard during the come-back-weekend (using the blue recruit set, since it had better stats than my centurion gear, and more expertise than my champion gear), it was probably the worst diku pvp experience I ever had in the "I can't put a dent in this guy" / "I just got 3-shot by a stealther through my damage reduction cooldown" department.

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Reply #5 on: September 10, 2012, 02:17:02 PM

You know, it's odd, because I totally expected to have that experience when I hit the level cap and used the recruit gear on my scoundrel, but I didn't. I mean, I wasn't trying to kill anyone, as my smuggler is a healer, but I didn't get turned into a smear across the pavement nearly as quickly as I expected. I mean yes, when the assist train turned its eye towards me, I was dead pretty much instantly, but now that he's in battlemaster stuff ... that still happens when the assist train turns on me. As expected, of course.

I guess what I'm saying is, I think the PvP gear experience probably varies pretty wildly depending on what class you're playing and what role you're trying to fill. I am pretty sure my gunslinger would be nothing but misery in PvP at first.

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Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 03:34:28 PM

Oh sure, NOW you give me companion color matching!

I already did it the hard way  why so serious?

and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 04:21:03 PM

Someone screenshotted the moods you can set for your character:

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Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 04:22:45 PM

My smuggler is going to be flattered, 24/7.

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Reply #9 on: September 10, 2012, 06:35:44 PM

omg mine too


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Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 06:58:03 PM

So your going to quirk your eyebrow?

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Reply #11 on: September 10, 2012, 07:00:20 PM

Absolutely.

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Reply #12 on: September 10, 2012, 07:45:02 PM


where's the /hood command!!!
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Reply #13 on: September 10, 2012, 08:32:44 PM

Man, no kidding. Maybe they'll let me pay them a dollar for that function. I'd do it.

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Reply #14 on: September 10, 2012, 10:12:55 PM

You know, it's odd, because I totally expected to have that experience when I hit the level cap and used the recruit gear on my scoundrel, but I didn't. I mean, I wasn't trying to kill anyone, as my smuggler is a healer, but I didn't get turned into a smear across the pavement nearly as quickly as I expected. I mean yes, when the assist train turned its eye towards me, I was dead pretty much instantly, but now that he's in battlemaster stuff ... that still happens when the assist train turns on me. As expected, of course.

I guess what I'm saying is, I think the PvP gear experience probably varies pretty wildly depending on what class you're playing and what role you're trying to fill. I am pretty sure my gunslinger would be nothing but misery in PvP at first.
Well, here's the thing. I originally pvp'd quite a bit at launch (until january or so?) and got centurion/champion gear... I could definitely hold my own on my vanguard, and did pretty well on my sage too (who only had a couple of pieces of pvp gear), as I could kite and survive against multiple enemies while staying on top of the heal charts (yeah I know, charts don't mean crap). Back then everyone was around the same gear level except for some imperial supercatasses who played in premades 24/7 and got war hero back in early january.

Then I come back, decide to give it a whirl with the new shiny recruit armor (that I assumed to be baseline) on my healing sage and... wtf is this shit? I think my most memorable moment was when I was healing a group of 3-4 in the new capture-the-turrets warzone, and then a marauder with a war hero title beelined for me. I tried to LOS him when I saw him coming, but he was faster, charged me, dropped 80% of my hp in about a GCD, so I stunned him and bailed with force speed - he immediately broke the stun, was back on my face, ignored the 2-3 guys who've been beating on him, stunned me and killed me in about 2 seconds (I broke the stun immediately, didn't help). Then he vanished... it wasn't even a stealther class. :p

(yeah, I realize that getting guard or taunt would've made me live a few seconds longer.. but relying on that in pug pvp? eh)

I mean, it was BAD. Worse than "I just hit level 85 on my disc priest 2 years into cata, time to hit up some battlegrounds" bad, worse than "I'll try going into a rift battleground on my level 50 warrior in assorted greens and blues" (which was actually a surprisingly fun experience due to the pvp bolstering). Maybe I got unlucky with some sort of hyper-geared premade, but when this happened in about 3 WZs a row, I decided to just call it quits.

Things were a bit better on my tank-spec vanguard, except that I couldn't even come close to hurting anyone (back in Jan I could wear people down - even healers - by chaining my interrupts well). Almost everyone on both sides had war hero titles, some had battlemaster titles, for what it's worth.
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Reply #15 on: September 10, 2012, 10:24:57 PM


So what you're saying is I'm not missing much in pvp.  Ohhhhh, I see.

I liked to pvp in DAoC (even in Shadowbane!) but I've avoided it like the plague ever since.
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Reply #16 on: September 10, 2012, 10:39:23 PM

The thing with the state of PvP right now is that Marauders/Sentinels and DPS-specced Vanguards/Powertechs absolutely rule the roost. The VG/PT is crazy survivable while also dishing out absolutely obscene damage (I've pocket healed a guildmate Powertech on my Sorc before in PvP; he guarded me, DPSed in tank stance, and neither of us ever really died) and the Marauder/Sentinel is similarly insane damage-wise, and can also be pretty sturdy if played right.

Snipers/Gunslingers, Operative/Scoundrels, and most other classes have their niches, but a team of 6 Marauders/Powertechs supported by a couple Snipers or Sorcerers and a healer or two? Unless they are grossly incompetent or facing a solid premade they will likely utterly decimate the opposing team, even as a PUG.


Speaking of gross incompetence, I decided to see about hopping on Test to check out some of the 1.4 stuff, namely how my tank's offhand will change once that goes in. Come to find out, copying characters to the PTR is actually disabled right now, and won't be back at all for 1.4 - the only timeframe for its return is "a future patch." The copy tool only sporadically worked for 1.3, so most people who have characters on Test are ancient snapshots from 1.2 back in, what, April?

Good luck having that brand new raid playtested by people in gear six months out of date, especially considering they're not giving people on Test tokens or comms to buy gear to test with.  swamp poop
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Reply #17 on: September 11, 2012, 06:24:45 AM

Speaking of gross incompetence, I decided to see about hopping on Test to check out some of the 1.4 stuff, namely how my tank's offhand will change once that goes in. Come to find out, copying characters to the PTR is actually disabled right now, and won't be back at all for 1.4 - the only timeframe for its return is "a future patch." The copy tool only sporadically worked for 1.3, so most people who have characters on Test are ancient snapshots from 1.2 back in, what, April?

They've apparently invited a few 'special' guilds to copy over to the PTS. This is causing some rage on the forums.

As far as the patch goes, I pretty much do nothing but PvP, and 1.4 as it looks right now might just kill things for me. They seem to have made balance even worse. I'd like to do more testing (I have an old 50 on the PTS in semi decent PvP gear) but I haven't been able to get a warzone to pop - for some reason the place is deserted.  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #18 on: September 11, 2012, 08:37:40 AM


So what you're saying is I'm not missing much in pvp.  Ohhhhh, I see.

I liked to pvp in DAoC (even in Shadowbane!) but I've avoided it like the plague ever since.

PvP is pretty fun while you level up. There's no gear issues and everyone gets bolstered to roughly the same level (although obviously the lower level you are, the fewer abilities you have).


And I believe you, Zetor, I'm more just still surprised that didn't happen to me, because I was 100% expecting it. I decided to give a few level 50 BGs a whirl just to be sure I hated it (as I really did enjoy it while I leveled my scoundrel up), and next thing I knew I had full battlemaster gear without too much personal pain. I mean, we'd lose WZs and shit, obviously, but I rarely got completely obliterated (although if I did, it was a marauder or the assist train).

Clearly healing scoundrels are overpowered!  why so serious?

(actually they sort of are, they are super mobile and have stealth and it is awesome)

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Reply #19 on: September 11, 2012, 08:43:45 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't they routinely added new stuff to the PTS patches as time goes by?   Either way it looks good enough to get me playing again after BL2 and TL2.

Then I come back, decide to give it a whirl with the new shiny recruit armor (that I assumed to be baseline) on my healing sage and... wtf is this shit? I think my most memorable moment was when I was healing a group of 3-4 in the new capture-the-turrets warzone, and then a marauder with a war hero title beelined for me. I tried to LOS him when I saw him coming, but he was faster, charged me, dropped 80% of my hp in about a GCD, so I stunned him and bailed with force speed - he immediately broke the stun, was back on my face, ignored the 2-3 guys who've been beating on him, stunned me and killed me in about 2 seconds (I broke the stun immediately, didn't help). Then he vanished... it wasn't even a stealther class. :p

A couple points to give you hope if you're actually still interested:

1) Recruit is "level 50 greens" basically.   It takes almost no amount of time to pickup BM gear.  Slap in augment slots with cheap blue augments and you're only a couple iLvL's below the best of the best.
2) His war hero gear had almost nothing to do with him destroying you.  It was about 90% him being a sentinel (which are getting nerfed hard) and 10% him having full augments.
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Reply #20 on: September 11, 2012, 09:16:36 AM

Well yea, but there's also the "I can't hit anything worth a crap" issue on my tankuard. Which is ok if I'm supposed to just taunt spam people and act as a mobile annoyance, but it's a definite change from Jan... maybe gear will help (thinking combat tech set, since it's not like people prioritize the tank anyway).

I'll definitely give pvp a second chance after the game goes f2p... but like I said, last time I tried was a pretty big let-down. (insert lament about max-level pvp in DIKUs here)

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Reply #21 on: September 11, 2012, 09:21:04 AM

Taunt/guard is actually quite effective, it just doesn't always feel good. It shows up on the final scoreboard but yeah while you're flailing away at someone during the actual match it can sometimes feel like you're pissing into the wind.

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Reply #22 on: September 11, 2012, 10:15:26 AM

It was about 90% him being a sentinel (which are getting nerfed hard) and 10% him having full augments.

I'm pretty sure the only change to Sentinels is a fairly significant buff to their focus spec. Which was already a favourite for ranked WZ teams (I've seen focus sentinels pull out a cool million in damage on a civil war)
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Reply #23 on: September 11, 2012, 11:23:07 AM

Well yea, but there's also the "I can't hit anything worth a crap" issue on my tankuard.

I went through the exact same thing as you did on my VG.  I came back with champ gear and it wasn't much better than recruit (had pve mods and everything).  Picking up BM and slotting it with augments is a huge deal.  Not having augments is like simply missing out on a 1~2 pieces of gear.
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Reply #24 on: September 11, 2012, 11:36:19 AM

Also on the PTR is this little number:


Dunno if it's a new QOL change that managed to slip by the preliminary patch notes or if it's just a thing native to Test to facilitate easier testing (which I find a bit of a stretch all things considered with TOR).
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Reply #25 on: September 13, 2012, 05:09:04 PM

Got this in the mail today:

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Higher Population Server Tech Coming Soon!
Greetings :

We wanted to let you know that we’re getting ready to introduce new high population server tech that will allow us to increase current server populations. Any characters remaining on an origin server will be moved to a high population destination server in order to provide a better overall gameplay experience. Please help us test this by posting on our Public Test Server forum and reporting any bugs or strange issues that you may experience.

All players will need to follow the instructions below in order to test the high population server tech.

Log in to the Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ launcher using your username and password.
Click "Play" to launch the game.
Click the Server Selection button in the bottom left corner of the character creation screen.
Select the following server: "High Population Server Test"
Click "Select".
Review your characters for any issues and click "Play".
If you have previously created a character on the Public Test Server, please do not worry: your characters have not been touched or deleted. This is a special Public Test Server and your previously created characters will still be available on the regular Public Test Server when it returns.

Be interesting to see just how many people stayed on the old servers and get sucked in from this.

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Reply #26 on: September 13, 2012, 06:45:31 PM

Those higher pop servers would be crazy.  I mean it already felt pretty packed at the beginning of the server transfers.   Imagine having like 10 Imp Fleets.
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Reply #27 on: September 14, 2012, 12:28:57 AM

From what I've seen first-hand from my old server, I'd venture to guess there's maybe a dozen people per server who haven't taken the plunge and transferred, mostly out of a desire to farm as much shit as possible with zero competition. Everyone else with characters on the dead servers have likely quit the game long ago.

The High-Pop Server test's goals seem to be two-fold:

- To make sure that they can successfully merge all the inactive characters from the old servers to the new ones with no problems, also probably serving to test tech for future voluntary for-pay server transfers
- To test out the new expanded character limits and interface for them; my couple extra characters from other East Coast servers also appeared in the list alongside my 8 characters on Shadowlands, giving me two pages of characters to flip through, along with a displayed "10/12 character slots" message.

Also Dulfy.net has stats for the new tier of gear coming out. The itemization sucks, as per usual, with tanks getting bucketloads of completely useless Accuracy on their gear (after Bioware said that Accuracy on Rakata-tier gear was a mistake and they wouldn't do it again), Alacrity on Mercenary/Commando and Operative/Scoundrel gear (which is actually a harmful stat due to the way those resource pools work), and way the hell too much Surge on pretty much every DPS set. The new implants are very nice, but extraordinarily expensive at a whopping 350 Black Hole comms a pop, and the new Daily Comm relics are double the price of the old ones while only being about 5% better.
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Reply #28 on: September 14, 2012, 01:44:40 AM

Maybe there's a patch note we don't know about yet to change how accuracy works? As it stands it is useless for everyone, a better answer than just not putting it on anything would be making it do something.

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Reply #29 on: September 14, 2012, 01:45:58 AM

I don't want to transfer my extra people to Ebon Hawke, I want to transfer them to Jedi Covenant, waaaaaaaah.

But I'll settle for stuffing them on EH if it means I get more slots.  why so serious?

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Reply #30 on: September 14, 2012, 11:42:57 AM

Maybe there's a patch note we don't know about yet to change how accuracy works? As it stands it is useless for everyone, a better answer than just not putting it on anything would be making it do something.

Accuracy is good for some classes, like the melee DPS ones, who use a lot of attacks that can miss. With how tight Hard Mode enrage timers are, too many misses can mean a wipe. It's true, though, that it's not useful for many others, since they use Tech/Force to do nearly 100% of their damage.

The answer Bioware gave when asked why there's so much accuracy on tank gear again was, to paraphrase, "Accuracy is good for tanks because 10% extra accuracy helps keep your damage and threat steady!" which is kind of weird, since the big threat-generating moves for Shadow/Assassin and Vanguard/Powertech tanks are all Force/Tech, and thus can't be dodged. Even the Juggernaut/Guardian, whose highest-damage abilities can miss, doesn't want Accuracy because the class' damage is so pitifully low that it has to generate most of its threat via exploitation of the Taunt mechanics.

If there's some mechanic in Terror From Beyond that needs higher accuracy, nobody's mentioned anything about it yet, and guides for all of the fights are already going up.
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Reply #31 on: September 14, 2012, 02:34:28 PM

OT but what stat is good to narrow variance in damage/healing? My sage heals from 1300ish to 2500ish. I'd like it to be 2000ish to 2500ish if possible.

As another aside, wth is up with these crazy numbers anyway (e.g. 10k health instead of say 1k or even 500)? I don't know why but I find stat inflation annoying
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Reply #32 on: September 14, 2012, 03:26:49 PM

Because people love bigger numbers, until they get 'too big'.


With every ones definition of too big being different.

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Reply #33 on: September 14, 2012, 10:31:10 PM

Not quite 1.4-related, but Bioware's now insinuating that we could be seeing more server merges in the future with the new uber server tech they have. This has, of course, started leading into a panic about character names.

Ohhhhh boy.
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Reply #34 on: September 15, 2012, 07:34:15 AM

Heh heh.  Not playing now, but I started on Ebon Hawk, levelled a Jedi Knight to 20 and a Sith Warrior to 36, then I re-started on Shien and levelled a Sith Warrior to 43 (same name, same Legacy name).  So I think I'm set, as far as reserving my preferred names on the server that I'm going to end up on.  I kinda want to play again, but I looked through their Customer Support forums and the game seems as crappy as ever in that department (it was my reason for leaving).  This whole "accuracy for tanks" thing seems to be proof of how clueless they are.  So, it looks like I'm not going to re-sub after all.

If they're bleeding subscriptions faster than they can merge servers, my guess is that they're going to just shut it down instead of continuing to merge.
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