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Topic: "The Master": Joaquin gets back to acting. (Read 13159 times)
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sickrubik
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Paul Thomas Anderson's next thing.... looks like Joaquin could be looking at a career performance. Synopsis via IMDB: A 1950s-set drama centered on the relationship between a charismatic intellectual known as "the Master" whose faith-based organization begins to catch on in America, and a young drifter who becomes his right-hand man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oZDKFoCqAw |
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Soln
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Oh and Philip Seymour Hoffman not as L.Ron Hubbard.
edit: Wow Phoenix in that one trailer.
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« Last Edit: May 21, 2012, 02:39:52 PM by Soln »
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Tannhauser
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Phoenix is one HELL of an actor.
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Nebu
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Phoenix is one HELL of an actor.
I agree. He set the mood amazingly well in 90s. |
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Ruvaldt
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Looks amazing. I'll see it the day it releases. Getting a Sean Penn vibe off of Phoenix's performance.
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LK
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I am intrigued.
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Tannhauser
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Oh yeah, that's the shit right there. This is either a movie about L. Ron Hubbard or an update of "Manos: Hands of Fate". |
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MrHat
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Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
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That soundtrack deserves an award.
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Ruvaldt
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Anderson got Jonny Greenwood to do the score, and he's phenomenal. His work on There Will Be Blood was unbelievably good and really set the tone for that film.
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HaemishM
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Am I the only one who thinks Anderson is an overrated hack?
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pxib
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Nope.
I've still enjoyed his films, though.
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sickrubik
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Am I the only one who thinks Anderson is an overrated hack?
Definitely not, but that's not something really shocking. There are plenty of people that don't like Kubrick for example. I happen to like Anderson quite a lot. |
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sickrubik
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This only seems to be playing at the film festival here in Toronto and I'm not a God damn hippie so when is the general release?
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lamaros
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Can I go on record and say I'm not really sure why people are expecting this to be so good?
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sickrubik
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Can I go on record and say I'm not really sure why people are expecting this to be so good?
No, sorry, you can't. In all seriousness.. the acting looks truly astronishing, plus PTA is a fantastic director who seems to be really hitting his stride. He also seems to be the closest we have to someone like Hitchcock or Kubrick in terms of examining psyche in film. The movie looks gorgeously shot and incredibly acted and... terribly dark. Which for me, is perfect. |
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HaemishM
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plus PTA is a fantastic director who seems to be really hitting his stride. He also seems to be the closest we have to someone like Hitchcock or Kubrick in terms of examining psyche in film. I'm disagreeing with what you said as hard as I possibly can.  |
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sickrubik
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In what sense? I'm all for that discussion!
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RhyssaFireheart
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Can I go on record and say I'm not really sure why people are expecting this to be so good?
No, I'm right there with you. Not sure why I'm supposed to be so excited about this one. |
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HaemishM
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In what sense? I'm all for that discussion!
Anderson is an overrated hack. He takes the tone poem soundtrack schtick from David Lynch, then hammers it into your skull for two and a half hours. There Will Be Blood was a droning, meandering, waste of fucking time that never went anywhere, and was so devoid of emotion that even its violent climax elicited no emotion from me other than "That's it? After two hours, that's it?" The climax was filmed in such a sterile, distant manner that the whole scene had not one ounce of the catharsis it should have. His movies tend to be pretentious circle jerks that take too long to say too little about too much. They insist upon themselves. |
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In what sense? I'm all for that discussion!
Anderson is an overrated hack. He takes the tone poem soundtrack schtick from David Lynch, then hammers it into your skull for two and a half hours. There Will Be Blood was a droning, meandering, waste of fucking time that never went anywhere, and was so devoid of emotion that even its violent climax elicited no emotion from me other than "That's it? After two hours, that's it?" The climax was filmed in such a sterile, distant manner that the whole scene had not one ounce of the catharsis it should have. His movies tend to be pretentious circle jerks that take too long to say too little about too much. They insist upon themselves. So that's a no on this then?  |
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HaemishM
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Actually, I AM interested in it, but only because of the actors and the story. I have no doubts that I will probably hate it despite all that.
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They insist upon themselves.
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sickrubik
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Given what I was comparing it against, are your sentiments about Kubrick the same?
Because honestly, we have similar issues with TWBB. It has things to fucking love, as in shot composition and acting, but does in fact have issues with pacing and does in fact lack a certain... thing? to make it stick. I think it was Ebert who compared it against Citizen Kane and mentioned that Plainview lacked his "Rosebud".
But the positives of the score (which we differ on, obviously), shot composition and acting far outweigh the other things. TWBB is not a modern masterpiece, and I don't mean to pose PTA as the best working director (because, frankly he's not), and I mean it when I say that he's hitting his stride, not that he has it.
Looking back at the chronology of his films exposes an artist who has all the right pieces waiting for an opus. From what I've seen from the trailers, and heard from early screenings, The Master sounds like it could be quite great.
However, it could also fall into the same problems that his past films have had.... that he's... not quit there. But I still enjoy his films far greater than most films produced. But, I do think he's probably the closest we do have to someone like Kubrick. That doesn't mean he IS Kubrick... he's far from it.
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I don't understand what the issue is, you roll the dice with any movie. That it could be slow artsy Academy bait?
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In what sense? I'm all for that discussion!
Anderson is an overrated hack. He takes the tone poem soundtrack schtick from David Lynch, then hammers it into your skull for two and a half hours. There Will Be Blood was a droning, meandering, waste of fucking time that never went anywhere, and was so devoid of emotion that even its violent climax elicited no emotion from me other than "That's it? After two hours, that's it?" The climax was filmed in such a sterile, distant manner that the whole scene had not one ounce of the catharsis it should have. His movies tend to be pretentious circle jerks that take too long to say too little about too much. They insist upon themselves. Wow, going to have to disagree heavily with you on this. I only watched TWBB last year, but was really amazed by it. I thought the entire movie was super intense and just oozed raw emotion. The acting was amazing, and the story was vastly different from what I thought it would be (in a good way). It instantly became one of my favorite movies ever. |
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LK
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Got back from it, enjoyed it immensely. Hoffman and Phoenix are mesmerizing on-screen, but Amy Adams also lurks in the background to add to the piece. Maybe not perfect, but pretty damn good. For me there were some personal takeaways.
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lamaros
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The acting looks truly astronishing, To me the acting quality looks on par with... cherry picked moments from... Walk The Line. Joaquin's shtick doesn't do much for me. Hoffman is much more interesting, but I'm not expecting PTA to do as much with him as he could - all his films are the same... |
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HaemishM
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Given what I was comparing it against, are your sentiments about Kubrick the same? That depends on which Kubrick movie we are talking about. Eyes Wide Shut? Yep, had a lot of the same feel. That movie was a terrible, terrible movie, none of the actors evoked any emotion from me and you could feel the director's hand oppressing every ounce of energy on the screen. But something like A Clockwork Orange or 2001, or really any movie he did from Lolita to Full Metal Jacket? While you can feel the director intentionally muting a lot of the performances in those movies, he still manages to evoke emotion from the audience, whether it's the revulsion of the acts of ultraviolence in Orange or sympathy at the plight of the dying Vietnamese girl at the end of Jacket, fear at the two little girls in The Shining or wonderment at Bowman's entrance into the obelisk in 2001. At least Boogie Nights made me feel something - granted that something was a greasy feeling of being unwashed at having seen that whole spectacle, but TWBB? Nada. I felt no sympathy for any of the characters, nor even a hint of understanding about why they acted as they did. I really hope The Master is him finally putting the pieces together to make a great film, because I really dig the cast and the story. |
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Ruvaldt
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You do have to read between the lines at some points in TWBB to find the reasons for characters' choices, except for the preacher, whose behavior is pretty well explained through his relationship with his family. Especially in a scene where he attacks his father.
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HaemishM
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I got absolutely none of what you were saying about that character from watching it. There's a difference between subtle and inscrutable.
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I have am in the "undecided" camp here. Don't really have any strong on feelings for Anderson (only seen Maginola, it was too long again to form an opinion).
The trailer didn't really give a good feel for what's coming imho; not sure what's supposed to be interesting about Joaquins character. Reason I will watch it nonetheless are my long standing crush on Philip Seymour Hoffman and that guru-charlatan characters like Hubbard are very intriguing.
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You guys are nuts, TWBB was/is epic. And Daniel Day Lewis is a monster, no matter the movie. Almost the same for PSH…
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