First Impressions

[murdoc]

Pretty sure fluff achievements usually net you a large amount of xp and cash, too.

[Nevermore]

Which makes them grindy, which goes back to Trias' original comment. 

[tazelbain]

LOL, grind is losing its meaning.

[Zetor]

It's lightyears better than (pre-nightfall) GW1 pve, and that's enough for me. If anything, it reminds me of RIFT invasions and rifts (which, incidentally, are the things I liked most about RIFT). I also liked the personal story quite a bit, soooo yeah.

e: the PVP implementation is also quite a bit better than any DIKU in the market, but that goes without saying

[Tmon]

There is eighty levels in crafting as well.  Would be hard as a solo char for lack mats and money, but should pretty doable if fed by alts. Not sure why you'd want to put all your crafts on one char, but its an option.

RP is a big one if the forums I've read over the years are to believed.  A very vocal group of posters (there seems to be at least a couple in every mmo beta forum) are constantly complaining that they have to engage in combat in order to level up their crafting.  It seems that they finally have the chance to live the dream thanks to GW2.

[Phred]

...WoT

...WoT

The WvW is not any faster than WAR is.

WoT you talking about there?

[WayAbvPar]

World of Tanks.

[Dark_MadMax]

The WvW is not any faster than WAR is.

Someone is trippin and it aint me! Dude I just played WaR this weekend (free trial and all) - its like WoW in molasses. GW2 combat is about 5 times faster and more fast paced

[Phred]

World of Tanks.

Then why did he compare it to War then?

[Cadaverine]

Any truth to the rumor floating around yesterday that you can conceivably get to level 11 just by exploring all the PoI in every city. Granted, that does fuck all for weapon skills, but does unlock some goodies without having to beat on anything.

I did that during BWE 2, and I got to around level 11, or so.  Last BWE, I did the same thing, and I only got to around level 9ish, despite them adding 2 cities, and the vistas.  Still, it's easy XP, particularly after you've done it a time, or two, and know your way around.

[ezrast]

The PvP is too slow

its lot faster than any MMO.

The WvW is not any faster than WAR is.

Is the proper out-of-context quote progression.

[Merusk]

There is eighty levels in crafting as well.  Would be hard as a solo char for lack mats and money, but should pretty doable if fed by alts. Not sure why you'd want to put all your crafts on one char, but its an option.

RP is a big one if the forums I've read over the years are to believed.  A very vocal group of posters (there seems to be at least a couple in every mmo beta forum) are constantly complaining that they have to engage in combat in order to level up their crafting.  It seems that they finally have the chance to live the dream thanks to GW2.

So long as crafting doesn't produce the be-all end-all gear I've never had a problem with this.  When they're the sole source of viable equipment you run into lots of BS with monopolies and insane prices that fuck over non-hardcore money grinders.

[01101010]

There is eighty levels in crafting as well.  Would be hard as a solo char for lack mats and money, but should pretty doable if fed by alts. Not sure why you'd want to put all your crafts on one char, but its an option.

RP is a big one if the forums I've read over the years are to believed.  A very vocal group of posters (there seems to be at least a couple in every mmo beta forum) are constantly complaining that they have to engage in combat in order to level up their crafting.  It seems that they finally have the chance to live the dream thanks to GW2.

So long as crafting doesn't produce the be-all end-all gear I've never had a problem with this.  When they're the sole source of viable equipment you run into lots of BS with monopolies and insane prices that fuck over non-hardcore money grinders.

I don't see gear being the pivot point in this game as in others. I may be proven wrong, but the gear FEELS like it is secondary here. That said... anyone look at crafting seriously? I am leaning, as I always do, to cooking (which when you choose it, it specifically gives you a pop up telling you you'll be spending more on that craft than the others). /cry

[ffc]

Cooking is supposed to be an advanced craft not just in terms of cost. It differs from other crafts because the "intermediete" ingredients you make/refine cannot be stored in the crafting bank space slots so it requires more bag space if you want to hold onto stuff you make so you can use the stuff in later recipes. That will limit you more than cost. Cooking looks fun but there's no way I'm starting with it.

[01101010]

Cooking is supposed to be an advanced craft not just in terms of cost. It differs from other crafts because the "intermediete" ingredients you make/refine cannot be stored in the crafting bank space slots so it requires more bag space if you want to hold onto stuff you make so you can use the stuff in later recipes. That will limit you more than cost. Cooking looks fun but there's no way I'm starting with it.

Good to note. It also doesn't fully matter to me as crafting is always something I do AFTER everything else, rather than do a little of it while doing other things. I will keep all that stuff in mind though.

[Draegan]

Legendaries are going to be pretty cool things you make in the Mystic Forge.

[Threash]

Like a unicorn bow that shoots rainbows.

[Phred]

Is the proper out-of-context quote progression.

The PvP is too slow a pace for me so far in the testing

"Slow pace" ?!? Compared to Street Fighter or Counter Strike? hmm maybe ... but its lot faster than any MMO. ANd faster than WoT as well

So, after playing the for 2-3 hours during the stress test today, I'm kind of torn.  Sure, it's interesting, but the PVE really isn't all that compelling.  

This.  I play the game for an hour or two and then find myself bored.  The PvP is too slow a pace for me so far in the testing, but I'm hoping that it will pick up and evolve when the game goes live.  I fear that I may just stick with WoT for my PvP fix and play GW 2 for my social gaming needs. 

I'm kind of disappointed by how little I feel compelled to play this after beta testing. 

I quoted the full quote chain this time in hopes that someone will read it thoroughly enough to find the humor that caused me to post in the first place. First Nebu says he'll stick with WoT because he doesn't find the GW2 pvp compelling or fast enough. Then Dark_MadMax begs to difffer, also mentioning specifically that he finds WoT slower paced than GW2. Then out of the blue, Trippy jumps in to tell us that WAR combat isn't slow in the slightest. I don't know maybe I'm wierd but I find that kind of non-sequitor like post amusing, though it's a lot less funny when you have to explain it.

I think this board needs a whoosh smiley for things that go over your head. I'll just use a sad panda in it's place  

[statisticalfool]

Cooking is supposed to be an advanced craft not just in terms of cost. It differs from other crafts because the "intermediete" ingredients you make/refine cannot be stored in the crafting bank space slots so it requires more bag space if you want to hold onto stuff you make so you can use the stuff in later recipes. That will limit you more than cost. Cooking looks fun but there's no way I'm starting with it.

Good to note. It also doesn't fully matter to me as crafting is always something I do AFTER everything else, rather than do a little of it while doing other things. I will keep all that stuff in mind though.

Cooking is probably going to be the most end-game useful item, because it produces the most useful consumables that people will keep on needing. It's also the one you definitely want to level along side PvE, because eating food gives you +10 XP to kills for 30 minutes.

Also, if you plan on only starting one character at the beginning, you should be pretty fine for cooking space: just create 4 mule alts, and you're good. Or do the "I'm in a guild of my own." trick.

That said, it's a money sink. But it gives you a bunch back.

[ffc]

Or do the "I'm in a guild of my own." trick.

Tell me more of this madness. I don't like making alts as storage but if I can do it all on one character then I'm interested. I had inventory problems just running around.

[Tmon]

Start a guild, represent the guild to accumulate influence points to unlock a guild vault, since you can belong to multiple guilds you can have your personal guild for extra storage and also belong to one or more other guilds if you want.  Influence points (which are earned by a bunch of different actions in game) only go towards the guild you are representing at the time you earn them.  Additionally you get a bonus for grouping with guild mates and doing things.   I imagine you can unlock the first tier of storage fairly simply but higher tiers will take a guild of one quite a while,  you can also buy influence if you have the spare cash.


http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Architecture#Architecture

ETA better links

[statisticalfool]

Super thorough guide on inventory management, which includes the "your own guild" stuff:

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/46211-guildwars-2-inventory-and-you-maximizing-space-on-the-cheap/

[Kageru]

Looks like my casual guild will hit the guild cap limit (500 accounts) and so will be running two guilds. Pretty positive buzz on this game, will be interesting to see how long they can retain that.

[Ginaz]

I'm seriously thinking of seeing if I can cancel my pre-order.  The zealotry of its legions of fanboys is really starting to put me off this game.

[Threash]

That's retarded.

[Zetor]

I'm seriously thinking of seeing if I can cancel my pre-order.  The zealotry of its legions of fanboys is really starting to put me off this game.

How is GW2 fanboy zealotry different from pre-release fanboy zealotry of any 'wow-killer' mmo since, oh, 2006? I don't see how it's any more/less intense than SWTOR, WAR, or even AOC.

edit: english iz hurd

[Kageru]

I'm seriously thinking of seeing if I can cancel my pre-order.  The zealotry of its legions of fanboys is really starting to put me off this game.

Go for it, Vanguard is free to play now and you shouldn't find too many fanboys.

[Furiously]

I'm seriously thinking of seeing if I can cancel my pre-order.  The zealotry of its legions of fanboys is really starting to put me off this game.

Go for it, Vanguard is free to play now and you shouldn't find too many fanboys.

And Brad is back!

[WayAbvPar]

Just got my hands on my Collector's Edition- good lord! Figurine is enormous, and it is packed with cool stuff. Also comes with some in game goodies apparently. I am reasonably giddy with excitement, and increasingly bitter that I will be spending most of the weekend stuck in fantasy football drafts 

[Lantyssa]

Wait.  An MMO actually sent out boxed copies early?  That's another thing I've bitched about for years.

[Modern Angel]

Part of the reason I'm so high on this game isn't because it's a great game (though I think it is) but the absolute professionalism on display by the company so far. The test was so top notch.... I can't verbalize it properly, because it's so far above anything else I've ever seen that there's just no real way of comparing the two.  And it's not just the big things, but the little things, like doing stress tests the week before launch, treating the BWEs like betas, getting the boxes out early, the attention they gave the paper doll UI to minimize clicking and new windows.

There's actual thought going into things, something which I feel is in increasingly short supply in the industry these days.

[Sky]

It would be hard for me to care less about this game right now, but since I was a dumbass and pre-ordered it, I guess I'll jump in at some point. Head start at 3am, thanks a lot for that.

And the email about getting in to reserve your character names, it just buuurns. Thanks, TOR.

Or maybe I'll just go in the den and paint...

[KallDrexx]

It would be hard for me to care less about this game right now, but since I was a dumbass and pre-ordered it, I guess I'll jump in at some point. Head start at 3am, thanks a lot for that.

FYI, they have said there is a good possibility they will open the servers up to 3 hours early (so midnight EST)

[tazelbain]

It would be hard for me to care less about this game right now, but since I was a dumbass and pre-ordered it, I guess I'll jump in at some point. Head start at 3am, thanks a lot for that.

And the email about getting in to reserve your character names, it just buuurns. Thanks, TOR.

Or maybe I'll just go in the den and paint...

I don't get it.  Auto-scaling so content never goes gray.  A fun crafting that rely on exploration and not grind.  You can totally be self significant and play at you own pace.  The way you tried to force EQ2 to let you play is exactly how GW2 wants you to play.

[WayAbvPar]

Wait.  An MMO actually sent out boxed copies early?  That's another thing I've bitched about for years.

I got mine from a buddy who has a friend at ArenaNet*, so it didn't go through the normal channels.

* Which, I just found out, is less than a mile from where I sit in my cubicle. Small world, this.