Ruvaldt
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"For a long time now I have tried simply to write the best I can. Sometimes I have good luck and write better than I can." - Ernest Hemingway
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jgsugden
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Now we're talking about essential materials. Essentials
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schild
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jgsugden
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What? I thought that one would really grab you in all the right ways...
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jgsugden
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2020 will be the year I gave up all hope.
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schild
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I already play that at every Brazilian steakhouse.
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schild
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Funforge put together 175 new copies of the Tokaido CE (the painted one I believe) and is doing a Kickstarter for the remaining stock. It's an absolutely gorgeous and p fun game. Also, at $115 (if they price it like hte original KS), it's a fucking steal. The Kickstarter is this coming Monday and will likely sell out that day.
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Druzil
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I almost bought Tokaido at a convention purely based on it looking good, but I didn't know anyone that had played it and didn't manage to make it to a demo. That CE looks amazing & kind of tempting.
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Teleku
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Thanks for the heads up. Bummed I missed it the first time around. Will probably try for it.
HAVING SAID THAT, while I've had fun with the game, sometimes I have a hard time figuring out where the game is in Tokaido. It honestly feels like you are just playing against yourself/the deck/luck, and not other players most times. But its still a fun game to sit around and play, visually.
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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eldaec
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To manage expectations; they sold remainder copies of Tokaido CE on facebook for several times original KS price - so I wouldn't expect 115usd.
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Teleku
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People seem to be going ape shit over this. Whole lot hatred in the comments section for the original project and reddit, with many saying its against Kickstarter rules to sell an existing product on kickstarter, and they are reporting them. Sounds like the whole thing may turn into a train wreck fast.
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« Last Edit: October 16, 2017, 02:12:37 AM by Teleku »
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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eldaec
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I assume funforge are smart enough to call it "5th anniversary CE".
Also KS give zero fucks about their existing product policy. They get 10% either way.
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Teleku
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Yeah, no idea if they actually enforce it. Just seeing a whole lot of nerd rage over this, haha.
But yeah, if they jack the price up a bunch, not going to bother either way.
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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eldaec
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« Last Edit: October 16, 2017, 09:22:34 AM by eldaec »
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Teleku
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Hmm. 200 Euros.
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eldaec
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... and they're gone.
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Teleku
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I'm a weak man (with disposable income).
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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Teleku
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« Last Edit: October 25, 2017, 02:24:11 AM by Teleku »
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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schild
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Go away Richard. You had one good idea.
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Ginaz
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Teleku
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I sort of rolled my eyes when you posted that, but then clicked the link.
.....those are some nice looking mini's. God damnit.
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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schild
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oh shit
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schild
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sirlin, i'm out, everything he touches is shit
shit is gonna suck
also i don't know what an angry joe is but youtube is full of garbage
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Teleku
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sirlin, i'm out, everything he touches is shit
shit is gonna suck
also i don't know what an angry joe is but youtube is full of garbage
Can you elaborate on that a bit? No idea who that is.
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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schild
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which bit? sirlin? he's not a good game designer
or youtube? which is full of garbage
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Teleku
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Sirlin. Looks like he isn't really a big part of the project, just listed in the small area as one of many contributors. Not one of the main designers.
But heyo, miniatures look awesome and are made to be shown off even if you never play the game. Soooo...
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor." -Stephen Colbert
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schild
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Sirlin. Looks like he isn't really a big part of the project, just listed in the small area as one of many contributors. Not one of the main designers.
But heyo, miniatures look awesome and are made to be shown off even if you never play the game. Soooo...
the main designers aren't game designers
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HaemishM
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the Confederate flag underneath the stone in my class ring
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Don't know anything about the game designers but yes, those miniatures look damn good.
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jgsugden
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Go away Richard. You had one good idea.
They did. Project canceled.
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2020 will be the year I gave up all hope.
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schild
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lol and they can't find a publisher
but seriously, richard garfield's illustrious history with games is massively romanticized
yes, he created magic, but he had no goddamn idea what to do with it and no part of it was balanced until he was basically off of it, dude only makes messes
netrunner, his fixed version of magic, is super hot garbage
he helped out with Artifact, but based on the mechanics, it will be successful because it's valve, not because it's good - it looks like a fucking mess
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jgsugden
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Given that it was fairly innovative, I forgive the balance failures of early Magic - and even think that the imbalance was part of the reason it was so successful (having to get those overpowered cards drove sales). So I give him all the credit for M:tG - but, yeah, nothing since.
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schild
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You don't remember early magic well. People wanted to windmill slam force of nature and Lord of the pit, etc. It wasn't until necropotence in 1996 that actual decks began to emerge.
The whole time flying man and unstable mutation was staring us in the face and no one noticed.
So no, the imbalance isn't why magic was successful. People played bad cards and jammed 20 lands for multiple years because they were stupid.
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jgsugden
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You don't remember early magic well. People wanted to windmill slam force of nature and Lord of the pit, etc. It wasn't until necropotence in 1996 that actual decks began to emerge. The Weissman Control Deck (The Deck) begs to differ. That was the first dominant deck that was subtly built. I played in the SF Bay Area and started in the tail end of Legends. I wasn't about to spend $20 a pop for the power cards (something I came to regret) when I started, but I did play with a lot of really good early folks in the game. When Ice Age hit in 95, I was one of the first that brought a Necro/Disk/Hymn/Specter deck to the table at some of the first big Type II tournaments. I remember the first one because a lot of people were confused how I thought a mono-black deck could win. However, I wasn't the only one playing a version of that deck and the other ones were better than mine.
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Teleku
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schild
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You don't remember early magic well. People wanted to windmill slam force of nature and Lord of the pit, etc. It wasn't until necropotence in 1996 that actual decks began to emerge. The Weissman Control Deck (The Deck) begs to differ. That was the first dominant deck that was subtly built. I played in the SF Bay Area and started in the tail end of Legends. I wasn't about to spend $20 a pop for the power cards (something I came to regret) when I started, but I did play with a lot of really good early folks in the game. When Ice Age hit in 95, I was one of the first that brought a Necro/Disk/Hymn/Specter deck to the table at some of the first big Type II tournaments. I remember the first one because a lot of people were confused how I thought a mono-black deck could win. However, I wasn't the only one playing a version of that deck and the other ones were better than mine. thinking_emoji The Deck (when truly relevant) was also 1996 and folded to necro decks. He changed the wincon from serras to fireball because of it. Anyway, yes, The Deck existed. It does not, however, beg to differ. There were multiple decks peaking in 1996, necro was just the most popular and important one. While there were lessons learned from The Deck, the most important one was "don't play fair decks against unfair decks." As, somehow, a deck with multiple strip mines buckled to swamp ->dark ritual->necro, go. Anyway, don't counter my point with an example of a deck from the same year, it only reinforces it. The early versions of The Deck were terrrrrrrrible. Everyone else was just worse. The refined 1996 version was interesting in hindsight though and the ramifications of it wouldn't be known for over a decade. Many modern vintage decks owe a lot to it. But in terms of the current meta in 1996, it's not called Weissman Summer for a reason. It's called black summer. Or more colloquially, necro summer.
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