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Reply #1610 on: December 01, 2012, 10:56:40 PM

I doubt it is premeditated. Sounds like he wigged out in an argument and shot her, then knew he was fucked and decided suicide was the solution. Pretty sad situation all around considering he basically came out of nowhere to build a decent NFL career.

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Reply #1611 on: December 02, 2012, 05:49:34 PM

I have a feeling that Flacco is going to be one of those guys - he's all fuck yeah, I'm elite, and his play is maddeningly mediocre and he won't improve until a team actually cuts him and this shit will get second guessed forever. But at this point, with Flacco thinking he's elite, and his play being incredibly erratic, I don't see how you even come close to offering him the money he's going to want next year.

Because seriously, if you don't sail every fucking pass today, you beat a third string QB at home instead of a loss.

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Reply #1612 on: December 02, 2012, 07:55:26 PM

I'm glad they finally benched the Sanchize. I mean how long have they blamed everyone but him?

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Reply #1613 on: December 03, 2012, 12:12:29 AM

I am finally on board the Russell Hustle and Bustle Man Muscle Wilson bandwagon. They kid can fucking play. RGIII and Luck are getting all the attention, but he is getting it done too. Have I mentioned how much I enjoy watching Jay Cutler lose? He is such a cunt. Throws a ball into the dirt on 3rd and 2 and instantly starts crying at his receiver. Bears will never win it all with him.

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Reply #1614 on: December 03, 2012, 12:43:55 AM

I had the pleasure of getting to watch that game last night, and I have to agree.  The kid just oozes mojo, and he's ice cold under pressure.  He'll be even better when he gets it in his head that some of those DEs chasing him are just as fast as he is.  Also, Seattle was on the wrong side of every close call in that game.  How do they reverse that Braylon Edwards catch?  Only thing I can think of was karma getting it's revenge for the Green Bay game.

Regarding Cutler...I know people think he's a giant douche, but I think he's really, really good.  He played like a champ yesterday.  He is one gutsy motherfucker.  Yeah, he is a moody dick, and generally unlikable as a human being..  He yells at his own guys.  Not sure why he was yelling at the dude (Bush?) on that third and two, but I don't think it was for failing to catch the ball.  I guess I can't help but root for Cutler, despite the fact that everyone seems to hate him...or maybe because of it.

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Reply #1615 on: December 03, 2012, 08:55:16 AM

RGIII and Luck are getting all the attention, but he is getting it done too.

With a much, MUCH better defense then RGIII and Luck, yes Wilson is getting it done. I like Wilson, a good bit actually, but he's not quite up to RGIII and Luck...yet.

As for the Cutler hate, I'm with Cyrrex. He's a whiny bitch but he's a good player and does make Chi's offense (I use "offense" loosely to mean Cutler throwing to Marshall, or Forte when healthy) actually able to move the ball every now and then.
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Reply #1616 on: December 03, 2012, 09:14:24 AM

I'm glad they finally benched the Sanchize. I mean how long have they blamed everyone but him?

I think the NFL owes whoever was forced to watch that game a goddamn refund... AND an apology. I saw the box score and that's just fucking sad. Remember that discussion on sports talk radio from a month or so back about college teams that think they can beat some pro teams? I think Alabama could have beaten both of these teams yesterday. A 3rd string QB comes out and not only wins the game, but plays better than the marquee franchise QB AND Tim Tebow? HI-LARIOUS. This is a fucking joke, right? Lindley gets only 72 yards passing, 2.3 per attempt but still has a better quarterback rating than Sanchez with his 3 picks? This game must have caused nosebleeds in children. How bad is Arizona? They lost this game, that's how bad. Everybody involved ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves.

I didn't check out many games yesterday - everything on the TV was either a foregone conclusion or teams I gave not a shit about. Seriously, Denver and Tampa? Denver has that division sewn up. New England and Miami? Even if Miami won somehow, they aren't winning that division. I did watch the Dallas/Philly game and despite my utter hatred of both teams, it was surprisingly entertaining. Foles might actually have turned a corner into competence. The whole game I kept saying to myself, "This game is going to be won by the first turnover." LOOK AT THAT. Bryce Brown is a good runner, but holy shit was a rookie mistake. He'd been asking for it all night. You do not sling the rock around like it's a fucking shot put, you retard, especially not when you are surrounded by defensive linemen. And of course, the Cowboys are so shitty, they almost let Philly back in the game. In fact, if Foles hadn't been such a rookie with that 2-point conversion, you could very well have lost that game in OT. He probably just thought Bryce Brown would drop the ball again.

As for Russell Wilson, yeah, he seems to have the skills. He must have to keep Matt Flynn on the bench after the money the Seahawks paid to get him. Look at the Kevin Kolb saga from two years ago for a preview of what will happen next year. No way Seattle keeps Flynn at that salary to be a backup. I hear Kansas City and Jacksonville are looking for a start QB... or will be once the season is over. With no can't miss QB prospect in the draft, I expect there to be some serious horse trading, with the Jets in the mix as well. Maybe KC can draft Matt Barkley #1 so we can see how Sanchize v 2.0 (which was itself a 2.0 version of The Leinart) does.

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Reply #1617 on: December 03, 2012, 09:21:07 AM

Im still wondering how the Pats lost to cardinals (at home!)...oh and the Ravens lose to Charlie Batch...hah..hahah....hahahahaha.

Was Flacco whining after the game?

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Reply #1618 on: December 03, 2012, 09:32:05 AM

Im still wondering how the Pats lost to cardinals (at home!)...oh and the Ravens lose to Charlie Batch...hah..hahah....hahahahaha.

Was Flacco whining after the game?

Was he still breathing?

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Reply #1619 on: December 03, 2012, 09:32:14 AM

RGIII and Luck are getting all the attention, but he is getting it done too.

With a much, MUCH better defense then RGIII and Luck, yes Wilson is getting it done. I like Wilson, a good bit actually, but he's not quite up to RGIII and Luck...yet.

As for the Cutler hate, I'm with Cyrrex. He's a whiny bitch but he's a good player and does make Chi's offense (I use "offense" loosely to mean Cutler throwing to Marshall, or Forte when healthy) actually able to move the ball every now and then.

Not sure what his defense has to do with the quality of his play. Also, his defense folds like a circus tent in the 4th quarter  Heartbreak

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Robert Griffin III, QB   WSH   205   304   67.4   2,497   8.21   88   16   4   25   104.6 227
Russell Wilson, QB   SEA   201   317   63.4   2,344   7.39   51   19   8   23   95.2   195
Andrew Luck, QB   IND   279   503   55.5   3,596   7.15   60   17   16   28   76.1   300

When sorted by QB rating, they are 3rd. 7th, and 29th in the league, respectively. Griffin wins on Completions, yards per, INTs, and rating. Wilson is ahead in TDs and sacks taken. Luck is only ahead in raw yardage. Unfortunately this doesn't show their rushing stats. All three are pretty damned good runners (RGIII is ridiculously fast, but both Wilson and Luck are good/great scramblers and dangerous).

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Reply #1620 on: December 03, 2012, 09:56:02 AM

I still think it's Denver v. Green Bay in the Super Bowl. Nothing so far has shown me that the other teams are playing complete games on both sides of the ball.

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Reply #1621 on: December 03, 2012, 10:49:18 AM

As much as I hate the Giants did you see what they did to Green Bay and SF this season? Oh and look who Denver has beaten this season....TB, Carolina, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego (all putrid) New Orleans (mostly putrid) Cincy and Pitt (possibly playoff teams, do either scare anyone? No.) Against quality teams? Houston, Atlanta and New England? L L and L.

Green Bay? Wtf man. They are not a complete team. No run game, mediocre defense.

It's up in the air, but GB vs Den..gack. Well let's hope it doesn't come true because the amount of Manning/Rodgers ads might make your head explode.

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Reply #1622 on: December 03, 2012, 11:09:17 AM

As much as I hate the Giants did you see what they did to Green Bay and SF this season? Oh and look who Denver has beaten this season....TB, Carolina, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego (all putrid) New Orleans (mostly putrid) Cincy and Pitt (possibly playoff teams, do either scare anyone? No.) Against quality teams? Houston, Atlanta and New England? L L and L.

Green Bay? Wtf man. They are not a complete team. No run game, mediocre defense.

It's up in the air, but GB vs Den..gack. Well let's hope it doesn't come true because the amount of Manning/Rodgers ads might make your head explode.

You really just lumped TB and NO in with the rest of those terribad jokes?  TB's fourth-stringers looked rough against DEN yesterday, but they almost beat ATL minus a fourth-quarter comeback.

Even CAR isn't /that/ awful.  They're no KC/SD/NYJ. 

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Reply #1623 on: December 03, 2012, 11:16:31 AM

Yeah...I'm not seeing the Denver/Green Bay thing at all.  

Green Bay is a good team in a pretty good division, but I think the 49ers or the Falcons would make it to the Super Bowl before they do.  Maybe if Green Bay's defense was healthier, but they're not.  Denver is an above average team in a shitty division so they end up looking better than they really are.  The AFC West is a horror show.  The other teams aren't even mediocre, they're just plain bad.  The Ravens, Patriots, Texans or Colts would almost certainly end any aspirations of the Broncos to make it to the end.  They can beat wild card teams (Pittsburgh and Bengals...maybe Tampa), but so far that's about it.
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Reply #1624 on: December 03, 2012, 11:20:21 AM

As much as I hate the Giants did you see what they did to Green Bay and SF this season? Oh and look who Denver has beaten this season....TB, Carolina, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego (all putrid) New Orleans (mostly putrid) Cincy and Pitt (possibly playoff teams, do either scare anyone? No.) Against quality teams? Houston, Atlanta and New England? L L and L.

Green Bay? Wtf man. They are not a complete team. No run game, mediocre defense.

It's up in the air, but GB vs Den..gack. Well let's hope it doesn't come true because the amount of Manning/Rodgers ads might make your head explode.

I think for green bay it will really depend if we can get key players back for the final push and the playoffs. Right now our O line and defense are hurting bad with some major players out. The fact that we are still other than that fluke game vs the giants beating everybody is a testament to our coaches ability to get 2nd and 3rd stringers to play their butts off. We finally got one of our major offensive weapons back and then lost another hopefully not for long. Its kind of like our last super bowl run hanging in there and playing hard despite the number of injuries we have.

Even with the injury depletions I still think the packers could beat any team they face on any given day. Just look at what we did to the texans they are 11-1 but when they faced the pack we just completly wtf shut them down. Right now pack is in good position getting into the play offs 3 of our 4 last games are vs divisional opponents if we win those we are pretty much a lock on the division title.
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Reply #1625 on: December 03, 2012, 11:27:50 AM

TB, Carolina, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego (all putrid)

Really?  You lump Tampa Bay in with those other teams?  The Bucs are 6-6, which includes 3 very close last minute losses, yet they're still just 1 game behind Seattle for the last NFC wild card spot.  You call that putrid?

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Reply #1626 on: December 03, 2012, 11:29:05 AM

Yeah...I'm not seeing the Denver/Green Bay thing at all.  

Green Bay is a good team in a pretty good division, but I think the 49ers or the Falcons would make it to the Super Bowl before they do.

I might agree with you about the 49ers, but not the Falcons. Until they can show they can win a playoff game, I'm still going to doubt them seriously.

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Maybe if Green Bay's defense was healthier, but they're not.

I will remind you that Green Bay won the Super Bowl with a SHITTON of injuries that year. They had lost Nick Barnett for the season, and didn't discover their running game til the playoffs. They also lost both Woodson and Sam Shields in the Super Bowl and still won. They are the type of team that can get hot and absolutely dominate. However, I agree with you about them being a complete team. As in, they are not. Their defense is still coming into shape and has LOTS of injuries and their offensive line is a goddamn joke. If the Bears had an offensive line, I'd be worried about them but as it is, I think Green Bay can win the division on the strength of beating the Bears twice. The second game against them will likely be a 14-10 affair with an assload of sacks.

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Denver is an above average team in a shitty division so they end up looking better than they really are.  The AFC West is a horror show.  The other teams aren't even mediocre, they're just plain bad.

Agreed.

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The Ravens, Patriots, Texans or Colts would almost certainly end any aspirations of the Broncos to make it to the end.  They can beat wild card teams (Pittsburgh and Bengals...maybe Tampa), but so far that's about it.

I don't think the Colts will beat the Broncos. But the other three could. Unfortunately, all the AFC teams have serious inconsistency issues - some days they are world beaters, some days it's just like WTF? If I were to go on best teams, I could see the Texans in the Super Bowl against the 49ers. But I wouldn't have enough confidence in that pick to put money on it, not with the crazy ass shit this season has on a weekly basis.

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Reply #1627 on: December 03, 2012, 11:35:14 AM

If Atlanta is the most uninspiring 11-1, then Baltimore is the most uninspiring 9-3.  The Ravens have lost too much on defense to make up for their blah offense to get very far in the playoffs.  I could easily see the Broncos beating them if they played.

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Reply #1628 on: December 03, 2012, 11:52:23 AM

Man I got sidetracked with this.  Ok so maybe TB is not putrid, they are only half-putrid.

Fuck it who the hell KNOWS with the AFC. Houston looks good on paper and has a bunch of wins but I don't trust them, they are the AFC equivalent of the Falcons. Baltimore? who the hell knows. They could've lost to Dallas and San Deigo (and the Pats for that matter). If they have home field advantage throughout the playoffs though they might be dangerous. Maybe Denver can do it, but I think their defense is suspect when it goes up against a good team (like the Pats). Von Miller goes invisible against the Pats.

As a Pats fan I want to say them, and I'll point out they lost their 3 games by a TOTAL of 4 points but for fucks sake. They usually cant finish teams off in the 4th quarter with their offense (unlike that clock killing drive against Miami on Sunday...fantastic!) ...which has basically been a problem for several years now (see the superbowl) and the defense ...aaaiiiiieeee!  Mind you if I'm running Miami I'm looking for a new QB anywhere, I mean shit if you can't put up 300 yards passing on the Pats defense you must TRULY suck.


All this being said the Giants fucking scare me. NFC is a 3 horse race , NYG, 49ers and Packers. The Giants beat both of those like borrowed asses. Unless they have one of those complete brain fart playoff games (which the Giants are capable of) I fully believe they will go to the Superbowl and Eli will pull it out of his ass again.

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Reply #1629 on: December 03, 2012, 11:59:03 AM

I think the NFL owes whoever was forced to watch that game a goddamn refund... AND an apology. I saw the box score and that's just fucking sad. Remember that discussion on sports talk radio from a month or so back about college teams that think they can beat some pro teams? I think Alabama could have beaten both of these teams yesterday. A 3rd string QB comes out and not only wins the game, but plays better than the marquee franchise QB AND Tim Tebow? HI-LARIOUS. This is a fucking joke, right? Lindley gets only 72 yards passing, 2.3 per attempt but still has a better quarterback rating than Sanchez with his 3 picks? This game must have caused nosebleeds in children. How bad is Arizona? They lost this game, that's how bad. Everybody involved ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Yes, the Cardinals-Jets game (I no longer have DirecTV sub, and it was 1st half of network NFL fare, w/ the Steelers-Ravens the doubleheader game) was dreadful to watch. 137 total yards for the Cardinals, and until Sanchez got yanked, it looked like Arizona was going to prevail with neither side even sniffing the other's end zone. Cardinals, after sprouting (and it was obvious it was a very "fortunate" win streak) out of the gate with a 4-0 mark, have lost 8 straight.

On the Steelers-Ravens, that a huge win for Steelers, in Baltimore, with a 37 year old 3rd string QB. I had written the season off, but the defense is playing much better and if Ben comes back in form (a big if), they can win against any 2012 AFC squad. But they will have to battle off Bengals still for a wildcard (barring a total Raven collapse, given the Ravens hold a 2 game lead in the AFC North standings).

In betwixt the games, caught the Detroit Lions collapse and it was comical.

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Reply #1630 on: December 03, 2012, 12:12:07 PM

Mind you if I'm running Miami I'm looking for a new QB anywhere, I mean shit if you can't put up 300 yards passing on the Pats defense you must TRULY suck.

Nah, Tannehill should be fine if the 'Fins can get anything resembling a decent WR for him to throw to.  Sorry, Hartline and Bess would be fine as #3 and #4 receivers, not so much as #1 and #2.

In other news, I think Titus Young wins the Dipshit of the Year award this year.

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Reply #1631 on: December 03, 2012, 12:45:15 PM

If Atlanta is the most uninspiring 11-1, then Baltimore is the most uninspiring 9-3.  The Ravens have lost too much on defense to make up for their blah offense to get very far in the playoffs.  I could easily see the Broncos beating them if they played.

I'm starting to believe the NFL is becoming closer to the NHL in recent years.  You have your classically good teams (DET is to NE, SJ is to NYG), but there is no "sexy team" like the 16-0, 14-2,  13-3 teams who crush everyone save the top teams in the league.

Instead, it's becoming more "just get in," because anything can happen with the growing parity in the league.  It's more about getting hot at the right time versus smashing everyone for the entire season.

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Reply #1632 on: December 03, 2012, 01:20:02 PM

Mind you if I'm running Miami I'm looking for a new QB anywhere, I mean shit if you can't put up 300 yards passing on the Pats defense you must TRULY suck.

Nah, Tannehill should be fine if the 'Fins can get anything resembling a decent WR for him to throw to.  Sorry, Hartline and Bess would be fine as #3 and #4 receivers, not so much as #1 and #2.

I give Tennehill a pass this year because his receiving corp may be the worst in the league barring Jacksonville - and the Jags did have a #1 pick wideout. Miami just has NOTHING but Reggie Bush and yet they've won 5 games. I expected them to be horrid. That's what makes me think Philbin is a pretty damn good coach (or at least a good OC/Quarterbacks coach). Look how different the Packers offense is doing without him at OC this year. That's can't be a coincidence.

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Reply #1633 on: December 03, 2012, 01:49:05 PM

Yeah...I'm not seeing the Denver/Green Bay thing at all.  

I base my reasoning on two things. QB Rating, and defensive sacks. The teams in the Super Bowl are usually in the top 5 in one of those categories. Sometimes both.

Giants were 6th and 3rd last year. NE was 3rd and 14th.
Green Bay was 3rd and 2nd in 2010. The Steelers were 5th and 1st.
NO was 2nd and 13th in 2009. The Colts were 9th and 16th (this explains why is was the largest margin of victory in a SB since 2003, actually)
Pitt was 17th and and 2nd in 2008. The Cardinals were 3rd and 14th.
Giants were 25th and 1st in 2007. The Pats were 1st and 2nd. (this is probably the biggest anolomy in the higher rated team losing)

EDIT: It's part of the reason why I don't believe Atlanta is real, as they are 7th and 16th by those ratings. Houston, however, is for real at 8th and 3rd.
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Reply #1634 on: December 03, 2012, 02:05:23 PM

Well, Denver lost against those non-real Falcons all the same in week 2, and Peyton's performance in the post-season isn't exactly clutch.  We've seen him on Colts teams that were better than this Broncos team and they couldn't perform down the stretch.  I'm not saying he chokes, necessarily, but it has happened several times, and you still have to wonder.

Also, it's easier to run up a higher QB rating and defensive sacks when even your best divisional rival is 4-8.  4-8.

I'm not say they're not good.  They are good.  But they're not that good.

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Reply #1635 on: December 03, 2012, 02:44:03 PM

The Falcons at home are ridiculously tough in the regular season. In fact they are 19-3 at home over the last 3 seasons. It's frankly uncanny how they can fall apart in the playoffs when they have home field, but they do. I don't really hold that loss on Denver since it was their first road game all season with Peyton.

Still, look at Denver's losses. Atlanta, Houston, New England. Pretty stellar teams, all in the first 5 weeks, two of those on the road. They've since gone 7 in a row with a total point differential of +105. Some of that is being the tallest midget in the AFC West, but 5 of their nine wins are outside their division.

I question if the Falcons have the defensive players in my mind to hang with a playoff QB facing them, especially since Asante Samuel is having shoulder issues in the secondary, and John Abraham is the only pass rush threat.

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Reply #1636 on: December 03, 2012, 03:26:29 PM

Well, Denver lost against those non-real Falcons all the same in week 2, and Peyton's performance in the post-season isn't exactly clutch.  We've seen him on Colts teams that were better than this Broncos team and they couldn't perform down the stretch.  I'm not saying he chokes, necessarily, but it has happened several times, and you still have to wonder.

Also, it's easier to run up a higher QB rating and defensive sacks when even your best divisional rival is 4-8.  4-8.

I'm not say they're not good.  They are good.  But they're not that good.

Denver is second in the league in sacks with their nearest divisional rival at 4-8, but New England is 22nd in the league in sacks with their nearest divisional rival at 5-7.  Denver and NE both have nearly identical passing statistics (NE is 6th, Denver is 7th with just 22 yards separating them), but the big difference in their offenses is the Patriots have a much better running game this year (8th vs 22nd).  Of course the hallmark of Belichick teams is their efficiency so it's no surprise the Patriots are 1st in points scored, but the Broncos are 3rd in points scored (Texans surprisingly are 2nd, and the top NFC team in points scored?  The Bucs are 4th in the league, ahead of the Packers, Saints, Giants et al  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?).

On the other hand, the Denver defense is 3rd in yardage and 10th in points allowed vs 27nd and 14th for the Patriots (there's that efficiency again).  I think people aren't giving the Broncos enough credit as a team.

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Reply #1637 on: December 03, 2012, 04:17:44 PM

The pats have lit up the Denver defense 3 times in the last year I'm not that concerned though who knows if our defense can't get off the field.

How come I seem to be the only one who is terrified of the giants?  (maybe its the psychological baggage of a pats fan)


Edit: miami's defense looked pretty darn good yesterday. Well except the last 7 minutes  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #1638 on: December 03, 2012, 05:42:19 PM


Sea Def do really poorly against the pass in the 4th when on the road, at home they remain phenomenal though (first in the league actually in the 4th qtr, but 28th on the road)

As for what Defense has to do with quality of Wilson's play, a defense keeping the offense in the game by not allowing teams to get ahead allows the offense to be more balanced and pass less, reducing INTs, basically keeping the QB from having to go into bad situations and try forcing things. It's similar to a team with a good RB as it allows for balance in the offensive calls, which Sea also has, so does WSH, Indy not so much. I should add that originally the comment was "getting it done," which I took as leading his team to wins and not "quality of his play," but I still don't think Wilson is at Luck's or RG3's level anyhow.....yet. He's doing very well and I am impressed with him, but he doesn't deserve the coverage of the other two as he's not playing at the same level. However, to his credit, I don't think he's playing at their level for one simple reason, and that is because he simply does not have to play like the other two (thanks to a strong Def).

My thought process in comparing Wilson to Luck and RG3 in the spoiler
Here are the main stats for these three (rankings are sorted by rushing attempts, with Newton at #2 and Vick at #4)
player                        team  G    Comp Att    Yds          TD    Int     Att   Yds   TD
1. Robert Griffin III     WAS    11    206    305    2,504    16    4    98    660    6
3. Russell Wilson            SEA    12    201    317    2,344    19    8    66    298    0
5. Andrew Luck            IND    12    279    503    3,596    17    16    44    216    5

As for the Wilson vs Flynn and keeping both or not - that is real easy to do as Wilson is incredibly cheap right now, but they would be smart to deal Flynn while they can.
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Reply #1639 on: December 03, 2012, 05:49:30 PM

As for the Wilson vs Flynn and keeping both or not - that is real easy to do as Wilson is incredibly cheap right now, but they would be smart to deal Flynn while they can.

They pretty much HAVE to deal Flynn at the end of the year. Wilson is cheap, but I don't see Flynn wanting to stay as the rookie's backup and he's pretty costly for a backup. Plus, there will be plenty of market for him still. KC, Jacksonville, Arizona (the Kolb thing might have scared them off trades), probably the Jets, maybe Oakland and Dallas and Buffalo (though all have money committed to current options), maybe even Philly or Tennessee or St. Louis. There's a good bunch of teams who could be considering upgrades at the position.

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Reply #1640 on: December 03, 2012, 05:52:46 PM

Plus, there will be plenty of market for him still. KC, Jacksonville, Arizona (the Kolb thing might have scared them off trades), probably the Jets, maybe Oakland and Dallas and Buffalo (though all have money committed to current options), maybe even Philly or Tennessee or St. Louis. There's a good bunch of teams who could be considering upgrades at the position.

I really hope Rivers and Sanchez get moved to somewhere on that list. It'd be nice to see if a change of scenery might turn them back into good QB's. It will be interesting as fuck though to see where Alex Smith and to a lesser extent Flynn end up during the off season.


The pats have lit up the Denver defense 3 times in the last year I'm not that concerned though who knows if our defense can't get off the field.

How come I seem to be the only one who is terrified of the giants?  (maybe its the psychological baggage of a pats fan)


Edit: miami's defense looked pretty darn good yesterday. Well except the last 7 minutes  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Realistically you only need to ask in the AFC who can beat Tom Brady?

In the NFC, who fucking knows really what's going on. Whichever offensive line can play three complete games of not shit the bed football for a Bears/Packers/Giants/Saints type team maybe?

I think there are a ton of great playoff potential games to come that will tell us so much about how this year goes but right now I'm expecting Ravens v Steelers and Packers v Bears in the wildcard rounds. And I like a NFC North team versus Patriots in the SB if I'm guessing that far in advance though I never count AFC North teams out.
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Reply #1641 on: December 03, 2012, 06:00:27 PM

Their defense is still coming into shape and has LOTS of injuries and their offensive line is a goddamn joke. If the Bears had an offensive line, I'd be worried about them but as it is, I think Green Bay can win the division on the strength of beating the Bears twice. The second game against them will likely be a 14-10 affair with an assload of sacks.

The only thing in this post I disagree with would be the score of that game, I think it will likely be a bit worse for the Bears, and that hurts to say.....it really hurts.



Mind you if I'm running Miami I'm looking for a new QB anywhere, I mean shit if you can't put up 300 yards passing on the Pats defense you must TRULY suck.

Nah, Tannehill should be fine if the 'Fins can get anything resembling a decent WR for him to throw to.  Sorry, Hartline and Bess would be fine as #3 and #4 receivers, not so much as #1 and #2.

I give Tennehill a pass this year because his receiving corp may be the worst in the league barring Jacksonville - and the Jags did have a #1 pick wideout. Miami just has NOTHING but Reggie Bush and yet they've won 5 games. I expected them to be horrid. That's what makes me think Philbin is a pretty damn good coach (or at least a good OC/Quarterbacks coach). Look how different the Packers offense is doing without him at OC this year. That's can't be a coincidence.

I'm with Haem on this giving Tannehill a pass. His WR really have been no-names until this year with Philbin and Tannehill making them look good <at times>. I don't think the Jags are all that bad at wideout though, very underrated with no one to throw to them and their rushing game being injured for almost the entire year. I do like Shorts and Blackmon can be good. They're not great, but I don't tihnk they're awful either.


The pats have lit up the Denver defense 3 times in the last year I'm not that concerned though who knows if our defense can't get off the field.

In Manning's 5th game as a Bronco he almost overcame a 31-7 difference in 5 minutes, that is the difference right now. He brought them within 10 and was about to bring them within 3 until a costly fumble (was it the 3rd or 4th on that day) in the red zone sealed the game. A team is never a shoe-in for a win if they're against Peyton, plain and simple.

They pretty much HAVE to deal Flynn at the end of the year. Wilson is cheap, but I don't see Flynn wanting to stay as the rookie's backup and he's pretty costly for a backup. Plus, there will be plenty of market for him still. KC, Jacksonville, Arizona (the Kolb thing might have scared them off trades), probably the Jets, maybe Oakland and Dallas and Buffalo (though all have money committed to current options), maybe even Philly or Tennessee or St. Louis. There's a good bunch of teams who could be considering upgrades at the position.

Absolutely agree, and I think they should both for Flynn's and for Sea's benefits. It does neither of them any good having an unhappy $7.25m backup to the $550k/yr rookie and $630k 2nd year as Flynn could be happy elsewhere while Sea can improve their team with cap space and some extra picks.
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Reply #1642 on: December 03, 2012, 08:21:21 PM

Realistically you only need to ask in the AFC who can beat Tom Brady?

I think we're about to see it next Monday.

EDIT: And the Cowboys are sort of, kind of, HOLY HELL HOW ARE WE STILL IN THIS DIVISION?
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Reply #1643 on: December 03, 2012, 09:26:06 PM

It's a weak division and the Giants come on strong at the end of the season.  They're up against the Saints, Atlanta and the Ravens; Giants win two out of three of those.  Dallas is up against Cinncy, Saints and the Steelers, which is a weaker schedule, but they'll likely only win one, maybe two of those.  Smart money is on the Giants, obviously.

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Reply #1644 on: December 03, 2012, 11:17:54 PM



The worst part for me is that I came SO CLOSE to beating Ingmar in FFB tonight. I just needed Eli to Eli up one more TD or something. :(

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