NFL 2012

[ghost]

I'm calling bullshit on Paelos, just because I like the idea of him spending 20 minutes behind the scenes coming up with some sort of random statistic to prove his point.   

[sickrubik]

I'm calling bullshit on Paelos, just because I like the idea of him spending 20 minutes behind the scenes coming up with some sort of random statistic to prove his point.   

BULLSHIT!

[HaemishM]

Mike Holmgren out in Cleveland.

Juan Castillo out as Defensive Coordinator in Philly.

The first won't really pay any dividends for years, nor will we know until probably a year from now if any of the moves Holmgren made (like drafting Weedon) were good. The second won't matter much to that team unless the DC slathers Mike Vick in anti-turnover sauce.

[Paelos]

I'm calling bullshit on Paelos, just because I like the idea of him spending 20 minutes behind the scenes coming up with some sort of random statistic to prove his point.   

Pfft, try 5. I have stats open at all times. 

[ghost]

I have this feeling that you sit around and do stats while rubbing one out.   

[01101010]

Mike Holmgren out in Cleveland.

Juan Castillo out as Defensive Coordinator in Philly.

The first won't really pay any dividends for years, nor will we know until probably a year from now if any of the moves Holmgren made (like drafting Weedon) were good. The second won't matter much to that team unless the DC slathers Mike Vick in anti-turnover sauce.

Yes but there is one glaring black mark in the McCoy pick. That was the solely Walrus's call.

I sorta like the fact that we got a guy who knows American football better than the rest of the World football. He has some experience being a Steelers minority owner and has a lot of pull around the league in knowing front office personnel - which sadly the Lerner's had very little of. Cautiously optimistic about this...in 3 years. But then again, that is the M.O. for Cleveland fans every year.

[ghost]

Looks like the Jets may play Tebow at RB this weekend.  That's actually pretty damned smart.  I suspect he would be a decent RB, although not a primary option.  And he throws just well enough you could throw in a wrinkle or two when it really counted and have him throw. 

[Nebu]

Looks like the Jets may play Tebow at RB this weekend.  That's actually pretty damned smart. 

No lateral quickness and tall.  Bad decision. 

Either you train him to play QB and work on his release, or you feed him like crazy and teach him to be a TE.  Other than that, the guy has no role beyond special teams. 

[ghost]

I'm talking about as a second or third string RB.  I don't have any illusions that he'd be Eric Dickerson.  He might also be a serviceable backup FB.  A agree that TE might be his best position though. 

[Nebu]

A 6'3" FB. 

You may want to think about that for a bit.  Consider the size of your average RB and the purpose of a FB.   If you want a 6'3" FB, just get your second string tackle/defensive tackle to play the position (a la 'the Fridge').

[Paelos]

They can gimmick this thing any way they want. It won't work.

[cmlancas]

They can gimmick this thing any way they want. It won't work.

Let me start this by saying I'm not a Teblow fan.  I think he's a freak-show circus that sells tickets.

He did win a playoff game in Denver and right a sinking ship though.  I think he's a guy who has the innate ability to make the most of opportunities.

Which is why I checked to see if he was available on the waiver wire.   

[Paelos]

He won a playoff game in Denver because Pittsburgh was and still is in a major decline defensively. They are now starting to hit the skids completely. I didn't think they would, and I was wrong about how fast they've tanked. It started with that game.

NE smoked him twice. Buffalo smoked him once. KC held him to 178 total yards across 2 games. When he needed just one win to clinch the playoffs, he lost 3 games in a row. He had to backdoor the division just to get a shot. Now he's on a Jets team that prides themselves on Defense, yet somehow has given up more rushing yards than everyone in the league except Buffalo, and 24 points a game on average.

Nothing can go right on the greasefire that is the Jets. They have a terrible USC QB (which in my mind is a deathknell before you even start), a rushing attack that can't get 4 yards a carry and has already fumbled 3 times, a kicker whose long is 39 yards, 2 RBs who are dealing with injuries, a questionable WR core, a non-existant pass rush, and a head coach that can't STFU. The only, and I mean ONLY thing they do really well is special teams returns.

[sickrubik]

They can gimmick this thing any way they want. It won't work.

He did win a playoff game in Denver and right a sinking ship though.

No. He. Did. Not.

He/We got lucky, and for the last time, Matt Prater and the Defense/ST deserve a SHIT TON more credit to what happened last season than Tebow's anctics did. And again, we stumbled into the playoffs on a shitty schedule in a shitty division. We dropped the last three, including the last game to the Chiefs where he had a 2.1 QBR. TWO POINT ONE. Fuck Tebow.

Edit: Thank you Paelos.

[ghost]

This is another one of those things that has been pounded into the ground around here.  I hate his religious idiocy, but I like his competitiveness on the field and he doesn't do stupid shit off the field.  And it's not like the Jets can get worse.  Might as well give it a shot and see how it goes.

[cmlancas]

For those of you who have been graced with the Elways and Mannings of the world, you quickly forget what it's like to need a quarterback who won't lose a game for you.  Tebow did just that.

Fuck, Brad Johnson made a career and won a ring not losing games.

I bet Philly and SD would take a quarterback who doesn't lose games right now.

[Paelos]

I'm stuck with Romo. I know EXACTLY what it's like to need a QB that won't lose it for you.

I still wouldn't want Tebow. No football GM worth a damn would. The only reason he's on the Jets was to try to kickstart Sanchez. Anybody who thinks it made any actual "football" sense is a total loon.

[Fordel]

I don't get how calling Tebow a RB would actually change anything in the end.

[ghost]

It's a gimmick.  To my mind it would be like a reverse Wildcat option, i.e. a running back that could throw.  It could never be their primary option. 

I think many people get their anger with Tebow on a personal level confused with Tebow the player.  I would imagine that he's probably a better teammate than many of these jackass QBs, including Cutler and Sanchez and Romo.  He just wasn't blessed with the ability to be an NFL quarterback. 

[cmlancas]

I'm stuck with Romo. I know EXACTLY what it's like to need a QB that won't lose it for you.

I still wouldn't want Tebow. No football GM worth a damn would. The only reason he's on the Jets was to try to kickstart Sanchez. Anybody who thinks it made any actual "football" sense is a total loon.

The point I'm trying to make is Tebow was at the helm of the offense when DEN started to put it together.  Yes, their defense improved and their running game got better.  But for people who stick their fingers in their ears and yell NO HE DI-INT, I think they're factually incorrect.

Ugh.  I hate UF and I'm not a big fan of Tebow.  How the fuck am I here defending him.  WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO MY LIFE?   

[Nebu]

Compare what Tebow did in Denver to what a rehabbing Manning is doing in Denver and you'll see why I think Tebow has no place in the NFL (other than as a TE).  It's not even close.  Tebow is a pure athlete.  I love the guy for his enthusiasm and his drive but it takes TALENT to play at that level.  Tebow lacks the ability to see the game.  Playing a QB in college IS NOTHING LIKE the level of complexity in the NFL.  Tebow just doesn't have the decision making skills to allow his natural talent to show through at the NFL level.  Perhaps with time and proper mentoring he could get there... he's just nowhere near that now.  

[ghost]

I think he'll be a better backup running back with the threat of a pass than he was a QB.  I suspect that we'll see him at TE in the next year or two.  He'll be fucking murder to take down once he catches a ball. 

[Rasix]

He's no Gronk.

[Nebu]

He has a better chance of being Gronk than he does of being Brady.

[HaemishM]

He has a better chance of being Gronk than he does of being Brady Brad Johnson.

FIFY.

[sickrubik]

For those of you who have been graced with the Elways and Mannings of the world, you quickly forget what it's like to need a quarterback who won't lose a game for you.  Tebow did just that.

Fuck, Brad Johnson made a career and won a ring not losing games.

I bet Philly and SD would take a quarterback who doesn't lose games right now.

Being a Denver fan, I know both of those now. :> (All three if we count Tebow.)

Tebow did not do that.

Here we go. Because you made me do this...


Now, he was thrilling, but the broncos defense kept the scores (aside from the patriots, because well, patriots do as the patriots do) close and allowed striking distance to win, including two wins by the clutch Prater.

The tricks work for a short time. Then good defenses realize what's going on and put a stop to it.

Tebow is not a good QB. He did not "right the ship". It was a fucking team effort. If they had gotten behind more, Tebow would have ended up with double digit INTs. You can say all you want about Tebow being awesome, but it pisses me the fuck off that everyone just glad hands him and ignores the other developments/keys to success.

He'll be even worse for the Jets if he ever starts.

[Paelos]

Aww shit, here we go.

[cmlancas]

Man, I totally just got bold underline italiced.  I do believe I said the running game and the defense got its shit together earlier in the thread.   

I like that we say Tebow and it's as though we've entered the Politics forum though.   

In other news, sleeper this week is Josh Freeman...look for Schiano to really open up the Bucs passing game as we finally figure out that Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams are REALLY FUCKING GOOD SO THROW THEM THE BALL.

[Xilren's Twin]

Unrelated to anything, Sports Illustrated this week has an article on the Vikings Chris Kluwe, the WoW playing, fantasy miniature painting, most outspoken punter every.
That was a weird intersection of gaming and sports.

[ghost]

Unrelated to anything, Sports Illustrated this week has an article on the Vikings Chris Kluwe, the WoW playing, fantasy miniature painting, most outspoken punter every.
That was a weird intersection of gaming and sports.

I have some friends up in Minny that are perpetually posting his opinion articles on Facebook.  They are usually a good read and he's usually right on target about social issues. 

[sickrubik]

Man, I totally just got bold underline italiced.  I do believe I said the running game and the defense got its shit together earlier in the thread.  

You said that Tebow righted the ship. I said that it was a team effort, and THEN you mentioned the running game and said that anti-tebowers are fooling themselves. Given I was the resident Broncos fan, and the one involved in the convo, I got annoyed.

I fully understand what it means to have a good QB, and plenty of shitty QBs (Griese/Freerote). Tebow is a circus act, like you said in the initial thing. Those of us that speak down on Tebow understand that and not what we wanted. Because we downplay anything he did as a QB is because we wanted an actual QB, and got tired of the Tebowites praising their savior. There are fucking people who still think we would be doing better with Tebow rather than Manning. I get annoyed when the Defense/ST and Prater don't get their credit in things.

In the end, I 100% stand by my statement that Tebow did not right the ship, that it was a team effort.

[cmlancas]

There are fucking people who still think we would be doing better with Tebow rather than Manning.

 

[WayAbvPar]

Jim Harbaugh is a whiny cunt.

[cmlancas]

Jim Harbaugh is a whiny cunt.

haha, a cuntwhine

Anything in particular I should be reading about why he's a cuntwhine?

[WayAbvPar]

Watch a game he coaches for ten minutes. You can't avoid seeing him crying into his clipboard.