NFL 2012

[ghost]

Well, I think it is clear that we will have to agree to disagree, Paelos.  And you are wrong.   

[Paelos]

 

[Ingmar]

It just seems self-evident to me that there are years when the actual "most outstanding" player in football is going to be a defensive player.

[ghost]

Yes, very much so.  In fact, I would say that Nick Fairly was as much a reason that Auburn won the national title as Cam Newton and should have been in the running for the big awards.  But that isn't how the Heisman works.  It has never worked that way and never will. 

[Paelos]

Yes, very much so.  In fact, I would say that Nick Fairly was as much a reason that Auburn won the national title as Cam Newton and should have been in the running for the big awards.  But that isn't how the Heisman works.  It has never worked that way and never will. 

Then, by even your own standards, that makes it a BAD AWARD

[ghost]

No, it's just fine.  Because clearly Cam Newton deserved the award that year.  Fairly could have gotten it as well, but Newton was the best choice. 

[ghost]

Hmm.  The NFL is moving forward to get rid of the Pro Bowl.  I think that's a great idea.  I wish they would do away with all the All Star games.  I can't think of anything less interesting. 

[MuffinMan]

I've never been a big fan of the Pro Bowl but I do enjoy the NHL All Star Weekend, specifically the skills competition.

[HaemishM]

I'm all for ditching the Pro Bowl. I haven't given two shits about the actual game since I was a teenager. It's just a boring game to watch.

I'm stoked for the draft tonight. Got the Tivo set so I can fast forward through the between round blather and turn a 3-hour event into the 15 minutes of interest it will actually be.

[ghost]

Fuck yes.  I forgot that tonight was the draft. 

[01101010]

I've never been a big fan of the Pro Bowl but I do enjoy the NHL All Star Weekend, specifically the skills competition.

I loved those old QB challenge things they use to do back in the day. Throw to a moving target on a golf cart, how many throws you could make in a set amount of time, etc. Only problem, it was only the QBs partaking in it.

That said... fuck the probowl. It was better after the season was over, but only because it was that one more game to watch even though it was a fucking horrible one to look at.

As for the draft... can't wait to see who's career the Browns fuck up next.

[Ingmar]

I like the baseball All-Star game, and the NHL skills thing is pretty fun. Otherwise I can pretty much take or leave them.

[ghost]

Yeah, seeing the best pitchers go for an inning or two is always awesome. 

[01101010]

And so it begins...

[sickrubik]

3 trades in the first 6 picks. Love the drama with the new rookie payscale. The hold up on the announcement is now firmly in the hands of the commisioner as he takes photos with each player. 6 picks in under 30 minutes.

[Malakili]

Seems like a pretty reasonable first round.  I guess people are saying Seattle reached, but if it was , it was a pretty uninteresting reach.

[01101010]

The Browns taking Weeden just killed me. Well at least they won't ruin a good QB, because, well...Cleveland.

[sickrubik]

I'll wait until the draft is over to whine, but was a bit annoyed at the Broncos straight up trading out of the first round... but I guess with the top level DTs gone, there wasn't a lot to gun for that they wanted.

[HaemishM]

The rookie wage scale change has made the draft super-interesting to watch now. It was actually interesting to watch - though I Tivoed it and zipped through all the dead time between picks. All those trades... awesome. I love that my Packers got a DE/OLB with their pick, though I was hoping they'd get the kid from Boise State that Chicago ended up picking. I think Seattle really screwed the pooch with that pick, but then Carroll's never been shy about picking up "questionable" characters in the past. Dallas trading up to get Claiborne might actually be the steal of the draft. It absolutely filled a HUGE need for them.

Poor Cleveland. You got the guy you were probably going to get anyway, but fuck's sake did you give up a SHITLOAD for it. 4 picks? He better be damn good. Whedon couldn't even hide his disappointment at being shipped off to the factory of sadness. I think with a run game, Colt McCoy will be a decent QB if they keep him and they absolutely should keep him (there's talk of trading him now) so long as Richardson works out in the running game. Minnesota did VERY well, getting all those picks, getting the guy they wanted anyway AND getting back into the first round to get the best safety available at the time. Tampa did good as well getting both Barron and the running back Martin. The Jags might have overpaid to get Blackmon, but holy shit, they need somebody that can catch the ball.

Defense really ruled this draft, especially pass rushers. Sure Luck and RG3 got the headlines, but once the marquee guys came off the board, it was defense, defense, defense except where a team needed an O-lineman really badly.

[Malakili]

I think New England had a pretty good first round.  They've got two more picks in round two as well.

[Bungee]

I think New England had a pretty good first round.  They've got two more picks in round two as well.

Which will be all they have left in this draft. I still don't get how DeCastro fell to the Steelers. How often can you satisfy both need and best player available at #24 in the first round?!

[Malakili]

I think New England had a pretty good first round.  They've got two more picks in round two as well.

Which will be all they have left in this draft.

True, but 4 picks in the first two rounds isn't too bad.  Although they are known for getting value you late in the draft.  To me it points to the fact that they see the clock ticking on Brady and want to pick high and put some pieces in that they don't have to develop much.  They want to take a couple more runs at this thing before he is done.

[Hoax]

Carroll's never been shy about picking up "questionable" characters in the past.

I really don't get how he is questionable. Seems like his is a feel good story or am I missing something?

[01101010]

The rookie wage scale change has made the draft super-interesting to watch now. It was actually interesting to watch - though I Tivoed it and zipped through all the dead time between picks. All those trades... awesome. I love that my Packers got a DE/OLB with their pick, though I was hoping they'd get the kid from Boise State that Chicago ended up picking. I think Seattle really screwed the pooch with that pick, but then Carroll's never been shy about picking up "questionable" characters in the past. Dallas trading up to get Claiborne might actually be the steal of the draft. It absolutely filled a HUGE need for them.

Poor Cleveland. You got the guy you were probably going to get anyway, but fuck's sake did you give up a SHITLOAD for it. 4 picks? He better be damn good. Whedon couldn't even hide his disappointment at being shipped off to the factory of sadness. I think with a run game, Colt McCoy will be a decent QB if they keep him and they absolutely should keep him (there's talk of trading him now) so long as Richardson works out in the running game. Minnesota did VERY well, getting all those picks, getting the guy they wanted anyway AND getting back into the first round to get the best safety available at the time. Tampa did good as well getting both Barron and the running back Martin. The Jags might have overpaid to get Blackmon, but holy shit, they need somebody that can catch the ball.

Defense really ruled this draft, especially pass rushers. Sure Luck and RG3 got the headlines, but once the marquee guys came off the board, it was defense, defense, defense except where a team needed an O-lineman really badly.

To be fair, Cleveland only gave up three picks and swapped spots. Most of those picks we gave up were from previous years' trade downs and chances of picking up a probowl stud post 4th round are slim. Browns were truly worried about the Bucs trading Minn and stealing their shot at Trent ... after the RGIII thing, yeah, I can see why. Weeden? I mean at 22? They could have waited - however, with Floyd and Wright off the board and thinking of taking Hill @ 22 was too high, I suppose they took a shot. They probably should have picked an OL at that spot, best available, then gone after a WR in the second round and leave Weeden till 3. Now they are stuck with a deflating McCoy and his rookie replacement who just happens to be almost 4 years older. Of course, this means Colt can go down to Jacksonville or Miami and get into the playoffs - which always seems to happen to ex-cleveland players.

Was texting my friend in Chicago last night who is a HUGE Browns fan and the texting abruptly stopped after Weeden was picked. 20 minutes later, all I got back was /wrists. If Hasselbeck v1.8 doesn't immediately step up this year, the Walrus is going to have a whole nation of Browns fans ready to tie him to the FREE Stamp statue in Cleveland and set him on fire. Every year the Browns preach about building through the draft and every year all our picks amount to mild successes or flat out busts. Time to reconsider using the draft guys...13 years and it hasn't worked once. Try Free Agency a couple of times...

[Bungee]

True, but 4 picks in the first two rounds isn't too bad.  Although they are known for getting value you late in the draft.  To me it points to the fact that they see the clock ticking on Brady and want to pick high and put some pieces in that they don't have to develop much.  They want to take a couple more runs at this thing before he is done.

I've wondered why they kept moving out of the first the last couple years when they had multiple high picks as well seeing as their window got tighter every year. Guess BB just saw more value in this draft.

[01101010]

Carroll's never been shy about picking up "questionable" characters in the past.

I really don't get how he is questionable. Seems like his is a feel good story or am I missing something?

I really expected Jenkins to go before this train wreck. Feel good? Maybe... But in terms of football skill, is a great pass rusher, but leaves a lot to be desired on the run stoppage side.

[HaemishM]

Maybe the Irvin kid has got his head on straight. It's entirely possible and I hope that's the case. It just seemed like a weird-o pick from a team with a coach who has what I consider questionable morals.

[Raguel]

For Cowboys fans only 

[Ingmar]

My Niners fan friends are generally down on our pick. But you know, they all bitched about Aldon Smith too.

[Trippy]

My Niners fan friends are generally down on our pick. But you know, they all bitched about Aldon Smith too.

9. I think, after a conversation with one club official on a team that scouted receivers extensively this draft season, I felt better about the 49er pick of virtually unknown A.J. Jenkins from Illinois at No. 30. "We had him rated ahead of Michael Floyd,'' this club official said. "He didn't have a good quarterback to get him the ball, and he's raw. But he's fast. We liked him a lot.''

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/04/27/2012.nfl.draft.first.round/index.html#ixzz1tHz259rj

[Chimpy]

Jenkins problem wasn't that he didn't have a QB to throw to him as much as it was he was playing for a team "coached" by Ron the terribad Zook.

[Ingmar]

MY turn to be down on a pick: LaMichael James, do not want.

[ghost]

MY turn to be down on a pick: LaMichael James, do not want.

Why not?

[Chimpy]

He hates the Ducks?

[Ingmar]

MY turn to be down on a pick: LaMichael James, do not want.

Why not?

If he was only one out of the following 3 things:

1) an asshole
2) injury prone
3) can't break a tackle at all once you get a hand on him

Then I could deal. Problem is he seems to be all 3.