KallDrexx
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On the bright side it seems like performance of Windows 8 is freaking amazing. I was watching my coworker run through a bunch of stuff with it in Parallels without any visible slowdowns.
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Salamok
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Looking at prices it seems around £130 for 64 bit ultimate, which I'm finding difficult to justify to myself.
Ultimate isn't worth it, w7 pro is barely worth it. Pretty much the only things I can think of possibly needing to upgrade from w7 home edition to pro are if you need to remote desktop into the machine and/or you want to run Microsoft's crappy virtual server. |
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Ingmar
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Or if you want to join a domain (which I don't really know why you would on a personal machine.)
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Arthur_Parker
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Thanks for the info.
Edit to add, convinced, I don't see anything in ultimate that I need, so ordered pro for £40.
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« Last Edit: March 02, 2012, 05:01:58 AM by Arthur_Parker »
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Chimpy
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Home Premium is limited to 16GB of RAM and 1 processor socket (no core limit), and does not have built in drive encryption or XP mode.
But none of those things are an issue for 99% of home use.
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Ironwood
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Thanks for the info.
Edit to add, convinced, I don't see anything in ultimate that I need, so ordered pro for £40.
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MuffinMan
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At least with Windows 8, you'll only have nine trim levels to choose from. Nine, fuckers.■Windows 8 Enterprise Edition
■Windows 8 Enterprise Eval edition
■Windows 8 Home Basic Edition
■Windows 8 Home Premium edition
■Windows 8 ARM edition
■Windows 8 Professional edition
■Windows 8 Professional Plus edition
■Windows 8 Starter edition
■Windows 8 Ultimate edition
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Salamok
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to be fair most of those exist in 7. the only versions added look to be the enterprise ones.
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Chimpy
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to be fair most of those exist in 7. the only versions added look to be the enterprise ones.
There are 5 SKUs for Win7 in the NA/EU market: Starter Home Premium Ultimate Professional Enterprise |
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The Professional Plus looks to be yet another way to nickel and dime the idiots that didn't switch their server architecture to Linux already. In essence, if you need to do certain things at an OS level (that an ordinary user would never need to do), you'll have to pay MS an extra premium to unlock them for you. But just for fun, you may not find out that you can't do them until you try to migrate stuff currently running perfectly well on XP or 7 Pro into Windows 8 (after your suits signed a blanket license that requires the migration because it looked cheap).
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fuser
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The Professional Plus looks to be yet another way to nickel and dime the idiots that didn't switch their server architecture to Linux already.
Uhh I'd expect the difference to be more features such as storage spaces |
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KallDrexx
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According to this article from 3 days ago Windows 8 seems to have 6 SKUs: Microsoft Windows 8 32 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 64 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Enterprise 32 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Enterprise 64 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 32 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 64 Edition
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Trippy
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That's just what HP might be selling.
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The Professional Plus looks to be yet another way to nickel and dime the idiots that didn't switch their server architecture to Linux already. In essence, if you need to do certain things at an OS level (that an ordinary user would never need to do), you'll have to pay MS an extra premium to unlock them for you. But just for fun, you may not find out that you can't do them until you try to migrate stuff currently running perfectly well on XP or 7 Pro into Windows 8 (after your suits signed a blanket license that requires the migration because it looked cheap).
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KallDrexx
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That's just what HP might be selling.
Cause best buy and all other retail are going to sell so many more editions than HP? |
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Engels
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Mahrin, can you try to be a little less vague? Or are you just speculating at this stage? What features are being 'switched off' in 8 that aren't in 7? Are you talking about dual booting or something else?
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Trippy
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That's just what HP might be selling.
Cause best buy and all other retail are going to sell so many more editions than HP?  |
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TripleDES
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According to this article from 3 days ago Windows 8 seems to have 6 SKUs: Microsoft Windows 8 32 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 64 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Enterprise 32 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Enterprise 64 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 32 Edition
Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 64 Edition
They're just 3 SKUs. For some reason, Microsoft seems to want to save 20 cents per box by not supplying both 32bit and 64bit media. A key for a specific SKU works with both bitnesses. Actually, my Windows 7 "Commemorative Edition" (beta gift  ) has two discs, for 32bit and 64bit. |
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I'm surprised to see a 32 bit version.
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fuser
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I'm surprised to see a 32 bit version.
Same, I'm surprised theres not a "legacy"(like fundamentals) SKU to eliminate it from the major codebase. Win7 had to delay due to most of the Atom based netbooks were 32bit only and they even built the Starter SKU for them, but today even the EOL Diamondville Atoms are all 64bit. |
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Hawkbit
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I just watched a video of Win8 in action. This is utter crap. I can't imagine my office trying to upgrade from Win7 into this travesty.
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Sir T
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I remember when 2000 came out and M$ were claiming that it was build for both the home and buisness envroment. The problem was it was fuck awful. Seriously, it was crashing every 2 hours. One of the reasons they released Millenium was to distract people away from the horror that was 2000 before the first service pack, and bury the cleaims that it was supposed to be a united OS under 7 feet of concrete.
XP was also horrific before they fixed it, which took them over a year. In the job I had at the time I had to Service users that were buying XP computers and we had to put it into our service code that we would not support Win XP. I remember once spending 3 days just trying to get 2 win XP computers to even see one another on simple hub network, let alone talk to our win 2000 architecture.
I still have XP SP3 on my gaming machine and dont see much reason to upgrade, but the Win 7 on my laptop is nice enough.
Win 8 is the future!
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CaptainNapkin
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I thought you need Win 7 to do DX11 no?
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Sir T
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Yes you do. I;ll think about it if and when i get a new graphics card.
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tgr
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You can use DX11 in Vista as well.
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Numtini
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I finally got around to installing this. What a compete and utter disaster the interface is.
My favorite bit has to be how there's no way to restart it. Because you never need to restart windows or anything.
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Arthur_Parker
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I remember a guy telling us with a straight face all about our new windows 2000 servers and how we'd never, ever, have to reboot them. |
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Oh my. This is going to be a trainwreck.
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Numtini
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Win 8 has a shiny new version of Hyper V. And you can't use it to manage the 2008 version of Hyper V.  So of all the applications I needed for work, the one that didn't work and made it impossible to keep testing it on my desktop was a Microsoft one. In terms of the interface, it's just constantly in your face and the switch between the desktop and the big black screen of squares is really jarring. |
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In terms of the interface, it's just constantly in your face and the switch between the desktop and the big black screen of squares is really jarring.
They are forgetting who their customers are. Apple has already won the casual computer user. They've already won the smartphone war (at least versus Microsoft). Microsoft should be catering to businesses and that start screen does not accomplish this goal. This could be as big of a fuckup as Kodak dismissing the digital camera. |
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Ingmar
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I remember a guy telling us with a straight face all about our new windows 2000 servers and how we'd never, ever, have to reboot them. I had one go for like 4 years just to see if it could - and it could! (It wasn't anything important, otherwise I'd have been applying updates of course.) |
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Numtini
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They are forgetting who their customers are. Apple has already won the casual computer user. They've already won the smartphone war (at least versus Microsoft). Microsoft should be catering to businesses and that start screen does not accomplish this goal. This could be as big of a fuckup as Kodak dismissing the digital camera.
I think that's a very good observation. The PC took and merged two markets: people who needed to do work and people who wanted to consume entertainment. And I'd say the market is currently dividing that again. I've had a chance to monkey with an iPad and it's useless for any sort of creative task, it's really just an internet "cable box" purely about consuming pre-created media. The PC is something you use to create stuff and MS seems to be determined to force a "consumer" interface onto a "creative" device. |
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tgr
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Someone (maybe here, I dunno) said that MS has done a fucktonne of GOOD things with win8, internally, but for some reason they seem wholly determined to force the metro (or whatever they call their dumbass new UI) on us.
If they allow us to keep the 7 interface as a "classic" interface, then 8 may very well be worthwhile. If not, it'll be one to skip for most people I'm guessing.
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Kitsune
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Here's the fundamental problem.
Putting lots of boxes of info on your screen is flatly dumb.
The theory:
The reality:
I don't look at my screen to see the weather, my playlist, an animated equalizer, a running RSS feed, CPU stats, and instant messengers. I look at my screen to see whatever it is I'm working on. Which I've maximized to fill the screen. So I can see it. And not be distracted by dozens of crap widgets all blinking at me. If I had a secondary monitor plugged in, hey, sure, it'd be great to have the second screen all Tronned out with neon crap moving around and displaying pointless information to me, but otherwise my first act upon being confronted with an interface full of widgets is to cover them with windows. The Metro UI is no different. I don't give a damn about little orange squares listing how many photographs or emails I have. It's useless information to me.
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