Time for the F13 Superbowl prediction challenege again

[ghost]

He really is a beast.  It's crazy when a guy that big has hands that good.

[Nebu]

He really is a beast.  It's crazy when a guy that big has hands that good.

... and can run a 4.5  in the 40.  These are the guys that make the NFL the spectacle that it is.

[Rasix]

I wish we would have gotten another year with him.     It's too bad that his last year in college was spent watching from the sidelines with a bad back.

[Cyrrex]

Actually, I may be the only person left in the country that actually likes the Patriots and Eli Manning. 

I like the Patriots, but mostly because of Gronkowski, Welker, and Woohead.  Gronk is a freaking monster!

I dunno...I consider Tom Brady to be one of the top two quarterbacks who ever lived.  Probably number one.  I think he makes all those guys waaaaaay better than they really are.  Like Peyton Manning.  Look how amazing some of those guys appeared to be with him - and how ordinary they appear without them.  I think Welker would have been good (not great) on any team.  Gronkowski is a beneficiary of both Brady's greatness and the schemes they run to get him open.  But mostly the former, IMO.

Pretty cynical of me, I know.  But Brady is the shit.

[ghost]

Oh, Brady is spectacular for sure, but you can't watch some of Gronkowski's catches and not realize that this guy is amazing.  He is on a different planet when compared to other TEs/Receivers.  Some of his catches are Jerry Rice good. 

[Paelos]

Gronk is a nobody if he plays on the Ravens. Brady is the reason any of us know who the hell he is.

Same for Jimmy Graham.

[ghost]

Have you even seen some of the dude's catches?   

[Paelos]

Have you even seen some of the dude's catches?   

I'm not denying he's talented. Why he's even on the radar now is because the Patriots run a system with Tom Brady where he throws to TEs more than anybody else in the league, and more than any WR other than Wes Welker.

[Nevermore]

But that's partly because look at their other wide receivers.

[ghost]

I'm not denying he's talented.

Gronk is a nobody if he plays on the Ravens. Brady is the reason any of us know who the hell he is.

Same for Jimmy Graham.

 

[Paelos]

Everybody in the NFL is talented, ghost. Where they play makes a difference for the public eye.

[Draegan]

Paelos, you're destined for greatness as a talking head on The Ocho.

[Paelos]

Paelos, you're destined for greatness as a talking head on The Ocho.

I'll cover hockey! 

[ghost]

Everybody in the NFL is talented, ghost. Where they play makes a difference for the public eye.

You are just trying to cover your ass now.  Go get on youtube and watch some of Gronkowski's catches.  That isn't Brady catching the ball with one hand while falling out of bounds as two defenders try to claw his eyes out. 

[Bungee]

I dunno...I consider Tom Brady to be one of the top two quarterbacks who ever lived.  Probably number one.  I think he makes all those guys waaaaaay better than they really are.  Like Peyton Manning.  Look how amazing some of those guys appeared to be with him - and how ordinary they appear without them.  I think Welker would have been good (not great) on any team.  Gronkowski is a beneficiary of both Brady's greatness and the schemes they run to get him open.  But mostly the former, IMO.

Pretty cynical of me, I know.  But Brady is the shit.

Ahem, Tom Brady is nothing without New England and BB. It's Bellicheat and his (camera)system that makes people look good, not Brady.

Just take a look at what Matt Cassel did for them while Tommy was out:
63.4% Cpt.   3,693 Yds   7.2 Y/A  21 TDs   11 INTs

Brady the next year:
65.7% Cpt.   4,398 Yds   7.8 Y/A    28 TDs   13 INTs   

Cassel was the shit after that one season and what after that? I think outside of New England, Brady wouldn't have done better than David Garrard and co.

[Paelos]

Everybody in the NFL is talented, ghost. Where they play makes a difference for the public eye.

You are just trying to cover your ass now.  Go get on youtube and watch some of Gronkowski's catches.  That isn't Brady catching the ball with one hand while falling out of bounds as two defenders try to claw his eyes out. 

Nope, it's not. And I'm not covering my ass. What I'm telling you is that he's on a big team with a big QB. If he plays elsewhere, everyone goes WHO? He'd be a nobody. Take Mercedes Lewis out of Jacksonville. Last year he puts up 10 TDs as a tight end, averaged 12 yards a catch, 700 yards, and busted a 42 yard TD run. Statistically he was on par with Antonio Gates. However, we fans know Gates because Phillip Rivers was targetting him and they were winning. Nobody gave a shit about Lewis.

[Chimpy]

Tony Gonzales is still the best TE to play the game ever.

Too bad he has spent his entire career playing with over the hill or shitty QBs.

[Paelos]

Tony Gonzales is still the best TE to play the game ever.

Too bad he has spent his entire career playing with over the hill or shitty QBs.

Exactly, and he set a record this year for most consecutive games with a reception ever by a player. He is a warhorse that gets marginalized due to his teams and QBs.

[ghost]

I don think Gonzales gets marginalized though.  He's well respected. 

[sickrubik]

12x Pro Bowl and 9x All Pro selection. Definitely not marginalized. He's pretty heralded as The TE... The only thing that has been marginalized for him is chances at Championships.

Which... doesn't really matter down the road. People still Marino after all.

[Paelos]

Until guys like Drew Brees steal his records and win rings. 

[sickrubik]

Until guys like Drew Brees steal his records and win rings. 

To be fair, Brees hasn't won a Ring yet since breaking those records.