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Reply #490 on: October 24, 2013, 10:38:24 AM

I don't play hardcore, so getting like 40+ levels into a character and finding out I should've taken like 15 more defense/health nodes so mobs wouldn't one-shot me, so now I'm either stuck grinding for orbs, levels, or rerolling is annoying.

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Reply #491 on: October 24, 2013, 10:47:31 AM

Its not limitations. Its practical. The only reason I play league of legends is because I get to experiment over and over again with champ builds, masteries, runes, and champions. Over and over. I pride myself in going over every detail of the game and finding new decks to play with, that aspect despite the fact that I'll never be in diamond league is the only reason I log on. If LoL made it painful to keep up a stable of champions, added a cost to resetting runes, added a cost to resetting masteries, locked you in with the recommended item build, than I would have quite in a month. I mean all this stuff is great if your little timmy just happy to see the xplosions and the ding gratzs, but mean death nails to someone who wants to be serious with a game that gives you so many options to play and has competitive potential.
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Reply #492 on: October 24, 2013, 11:29:46 AM

Honestly, the only real way to end up with a bad build in any league, is to avoid taking any type of defensive passives.  Also I like to decided on a defensive strategy early. For instance, I like to decide if I am going to use energy shield to tank, or go with massive hp/regen, or try to go with pure resists (gear intensive)

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Reply #493 on: October 24, 2013, 03:25:30 PM

Its not limitations. Its practical. The only reason I play league of legends is because I get to experiment over and over again with champ builds, masteries, runes, and champions. Over and over. I pride myself in going over every detail of the game and finding new decks to play with, that aspect despite the fact that I'll never be in diamond league is the only reason I log on. If LoL made it painful to keep up a stable of champions, added a cost to resetting runes, added a cost to resetting masteries, locked you in with the recommended item build, than I would have quite in a month. I mean all this stuff is great if your little timmy just happy to see the xplosions and the ding gratzs, but mean death nails to someone who wants to be serious with a game that gives you so many options to play and has competitive potential.

Path of Exile became way more enjoyable before me when I stopped thinking of my investment in the game being specific characters. Work your point of view around to seeing that your actual investment is your stash of items and gems. That is really what dictates what kind of characters you can build up. Getting the levels is the easy part - join groups to rush yourself to act 3, and then run docks for a night or 2 and your in the mid 40's. To try and make a LoL comparison, All your interesting loot is the characters you unlocked, your runes are your masteries, and rolling up a character in path of exile would be like a match in LoL on a much longer timeline.
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Reply #494 on: October 24, 2013, 03:53:26 PM

I'm only concerned about customization and experimentation which for me is the long term of any rpg beyond a single month of play. I want full customization. The ability to swap item upgrades, change skills, change stat points on the fly. I'm only slightly willing to grind just to "unlock" shit, I call foul if I have to grind just to play around with the shit I already have in the combinations I wish to play them with.
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Reply #495 on: October 24, 2013, 04:11:21 PM

You can swap all of that at anytime ( if you have them ), with exception of the passive skill tree stuff.

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Reply #496 on: October 24, 2013, 04:22:01 PM

You can get away with minor respecs by using the free refund points and Regrets; for example changing from a 2h build to a sword and board. Changing your whole character's build (switching a Ranger from archery to melee, or a Witch from nukes to pets, for example) is probably not viable, so in that case you're better off rerolling. This is a nice compromise to me, compared to the D3 system where you can change your build entirely on the fly.

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Reply #497 on: October 24, 2013, 11:54:49 PM

These things are the reasons I stopped playing it.

The higher levels are a massive grind & the lack of sensible respeccing is a joke. Every time you point out that not having easy respecs puts you off you get all these defenses when actually it's just a bad design decision. If you personally don't mind the respec system then fine, but the reality is that it puts a lot of people off.

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Reply #498 on: October 25, 2013, 09:49:48 AM

To show the other side of that though - free respecs was one of my biggest turnoffs in D3. It felt like there was no investment in character build at all, since I could just redo it willy nilly, any time I wanted. Mind you, I'm not really the target audience here (for respecs), as I never play "end game" in these types of games. I enjoy rerolling.

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Reply #499 on: October 25, 2013, 03:09:30 PM

To show the other side of that though - free respecs was one of my biggest turnoffs in D3. It felt like there was no investment in character build at all, since I could just redo it willy nilly, any time I wanted. Mind you, I'm not really the target audience here (for respecs), as I never play "end game" in these types of games. I enjoy rerolling.
This. I like rerolling to try out new builds, and PoE is great for that. Plus they do give out full respecs whenever they do major changes, so you'll never be gimped because of a patch.

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Reply #500 on: October 25, 2013, 05:29:20 PM

Something that I think gets lost in the whole respec argument is that during the course of your leveling, you'll get somewhere in the vicinity of 15 free respec points.  There are orbs in the game that also grant single point respecs.  It's just that you have to work for being a dumb ass with your build is all.  I have ruined at least 10 different characters. I just make a new one I might enjoy while i save up some orbs of regret to roll back one of the messed up ones far enough to give it another go with some tweaks.  If you can't fix a build with a 10 to 15 point rollback then you aren't going to be able to fix it.

P.S. This thread should not be used to try to convince  people to like this game if they clearly are not going to enjoy it.
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Reply #501 on: October 25, 2013, 07:20:10 PM

In an effort to get change the direction of this thread, I am going to share my latest project, just starting cruel so there is room for theory crafting so far.

This Scion is built around Spectral Throw (+LMP+Life Leech+Added Fire Damage) based for AOE mowing of things down , Heavy Strike (+Added Chaos Damage) for single target goodness, and Leap Slam (+Faster Attack) for to get into or out of bad situations. Oh yeah some Infernal Blow (+Melee Splash) to make things explode when I am inclined.  The support gem choices are currently based on gear and level, so as things progress I will be picking more optimal supports.

Current Build Progress at level 40

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Reply #502 on: October 25, 2013, 07:37:04 PM

I've been messing with Spectral Throw on a Duelist.

I'd say that you could drop the Life Leech off to equipment and equip Faster Attacks, not Faster Projectiles as you want the mobs to be attacked by the throw as many times as possible.

Edit: Here's what my 2h Duelist Spectral Throw looks like around 40 as well. Using whatever fat 2h I can find with Spectral + LMP + Faster Projectiles (mistake) + Added Lit damage.  Hoping to find GMP+Faster Attacks.

Hopefully.  I have very low survivability, so I think this experiment will start to fail soon.

Good news is I've got a few items that I want to try out with different builds.
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Reply #503 on: October 25, 2013, 08:04:10 PM

I decided to try a full on defensive type of character, but not marauder since I got me one of them.  So I picked shadow.  And almost immediately found Fire Trap. 

I am now the mad midnight bomber what bombs at midnight. 

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Reply #504 on: October 25, 2013, 08:21:50 PM

I've been messing with Spectral Throw on a Duelist.

I'd say that you could drop the Life Leech off to equipment and equip Faster Attacks, not Faster Projectiles as you want the mobs to be attacked by the throw as many times as possible.

Edit: Here's what my 2h Duelist Spectral Throw looks like around 40 as well. Using whatever fat 2h I can find with Spectral + LMP + Faster Projectiles (mistake) + Added Lit damage.  Hoping to find GMP+Faster Attacks.

Hopefully.  I have very low survivability, so I think this experiment will start to fail soon.

Good news is I've got a few items that I want to try out with different builds.

Does Faster Attacks increase the rotation speed on Spectral Throw?

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Reply #505 on: October 26, 2013, 06:00:20 PM

So dead hardcore characters become normal characters... isn't that just completely missing the point? HC is just a different server people who haven't died yet play on.

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Reply #506 on: October 26, 2013, 07:18:54 PM

So dead hardcore characters become normal characters... isn't that just completely missing the point? HC is just a different server people who haven't died yet play on.

All the items/gems on your character get converted to normal on death. Your hardcore stash remains your hardcore stash. Its effectively the same as diablo II, if your interested in playing hardcore. You just have the option of playing that character in normal (or at least dumping anything good into your normal stash) before you delete him.

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Reply #507 on: October 27, 2013, 07:23:53 AM

So dead hardcore characters become normal characters... isn't that just completely missing the point? HC is just a different server people who haven't died yet play on.

All the items/gems on your character get converted to normal on death. Your hardcore stash remains your hardcore stash. Its effectively the same as diablo II, if your interested in playing hardcore. You just have the option of playing that character in normal (or at least dumping anything good into your normal stash) before you delete him.


That's still just a minor inconvenience and doesn't seem like there is any reason to not start every character as hardcore.

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Reply #508 on: October 27, 2013, 08:19:12 AM

Has someone started a F13/Bat Country guild?

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Reply #509 on: October 27, 2013, 09:49:17 AM

So dead hardcore characters become normal characters... isn't that just completely missing the point? HC is just a different server people who haven't died yet play on.

All the items/gems on your character get converted to normal on death. Your hardcore stash remains your hardcore stash. Its effectively the same as diablo II, if your interested in playing hardcore. You just have the option of playing that character in normal (or at least dumping anything good into your normal stash) before you delete him.


That's still just a minor inconvenience and doesn't seem like there is any reason to not start every character as hardcore.


It works out nicely for me because while I enjoy playing hardcore, my wife does not. When I reep, Its a nice bonus for her stash. If the levels matchup, I might use the recently deceased character to party with her for awhile.
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Reply #510 on: October 27, 2013, 10:05:28 AM

Has someone started a F13/Bat Country guild?
I just made F13 by accident, then invited you...but you logged out.  Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #511 on: October 27, 2013, 11:12:11 AM

That's still just a minor inconvenience and doesn't seem like there is any reason to not start every character as hardcore.
It's not a reason TO start on hardcore either. You can use /deaths to show how leet of a player you are in any league, so when you choose HC/SC you're really just deciding which economy/community you want to be part of. Might as well stick with one or the other.

Anyway, how do guild invites work? I'm currently playing mostly on Fjesse in Nemesis.
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Reply #512 on: October 28, 2013, 06:03:26 AM

The desync is still bad enough that you have to spec for it in Hardcore.
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Reply #513 on: October 28, 2013, 06:04:37 AM

I Hear about De-syncs, but have never experienced one, ever.

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Reply #514 on: October 28, 2013, 06:42:25 AM

Desync is, unfortunately still a problem.  At least in hardcore leagues.  It doesn't occur very often, but when it does...shit.
  
An example of the desync hardcore RIP from a good player:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOU5CxLk0X0

I've learned that when I realize that I am desynced, I insta alt-F4 no matter what (in hardcore at least).

Oh yeah, just finished the end of act 3, along with dominus.  Sick boss fight.  Sick, sick boss fight.  Well done GGG.


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Reply #515 on: October 28, 2013, 06:47:35 AM

Has someone started a F13/Bat Country guild?
I just made F13 by accident, then invited you...but you logged out.  Ohhhhh, I see.
These things happen.  However, I did join at some point.

I deleted a few characters (oh the read-only tabs!) and started a new bow girl in Domination and I'll be doing that for a while.

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Reply #516 on: October 28, 2013, 09:41:50 AM

I was kinda disappointed in the ending. Lady Dibella literally just pops into existence there and is like, "hey, good job."

Not expecting much but still kinda weak.

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Reply #517 on: October 28, 2013, 02:34:40 PM

I was kinda disappointed in the ending. Lady Dibella literally just pops into existence there and is like, "hey, good job."

Not expecting much but still kinda weak.
Right? I kept waiting for a cutscene, or at least some dialog and a credit roll.

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Reply #518 on: October 28, 2013, 02:58:25 PM

Is that the actual ending? i thought they were missing one chapter still.

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Reply #519 on: October 28, 2013, 08:21:23 PM

They're still working on Act 4, but don't expect it for at least a year.

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Reply #520 on: October 28, 2013, 09:58:42 PM

At that point it will feel more like an expansion. Although, when you beat Dominus on a character that hadn't already unlocked the next difficulty you do get a credit roll which is nice.

Also we have a F13 guild now, message me (Rendakor in game as well) or Yegolev for an invite.

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Reply #521 on: October 29, 2013, 05:51:15 AM

I'm going to install/play this through Steam now.

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Reply #522 on: October 29, 2013, 11:24:33 AM

What would be the advantage of using Steam, as opposed to the normal client?
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Reply #523 on: October 29, 2013, 11:32:50 AM

Steam log in and patching.

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Reply #524 on: October 29, 2013, 11:45:41 AM

Cards, achievements.  My games all in one UI.  Chat.  You know: bullshit. Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Also, as MrB stated, Steam should patch it for me instead of me having to find out when I try to play.

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