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Reply #245 on: February 02, 2013, 08:52:33 AM


It's rather good. The graphics are a bit grey and without that perfect polish blizzard manages but for a smaller studio and a f2p title they're actually impressive and after a bit it all feels right. The maps look somewhat randomised, the mechanics have some pretty clever bits to them and it gets that D1 feel pretty well. That shock when you open the passive skill map was worth the download in itself and it tempts you to chart a optimal course through it. And since the game makes sure that the skill selection is flexible you have to work reasonably hard to truly neuter yourself.

So working on an elemental 2h mace templar, a claw ranger and tempted to do an int class build but nothing really tempts me (I hate pets).

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Reply #246 on: February 03, 2013, 01:55:20 AM

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Reply #247 on: February 03, 2013, 06:46:00 AM

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Reply #248 on: February 03, 2013, 09:58:14 AM

Kripparian was running a wand+shield templar with two copies of Power Siphon, one for AoE and one for single targets. Not sure exactly what his tree looked like but it involved a lot of life and power charges, Eldritch Battery to run a zillion auras, and I can only assume crit damage. Summon Skeletons totem to keep things at range. I don't recognize the icon on his W.
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Reply #249 on: February 03, 2013, 08:15:54 PM

The section of the game immediately after the prison containing those hellhounds that leave fiery ground patches when they die are really beginning to try my patience with my summoner Witch.
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Reply #250 on: February 03, 2013, 08:51:39 PM

Yea, fuck those things. I didn't mind them so much on my Witch but on my melee toons they are awful. The only thing worse are Necros; I literally can't clear the Sin dungeon in Act 2 Cruel on my Witch because they rez casters/archers faster than I can kill them.

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Reply #251 on: February 03, 2013, 10:38:07 PM

Man, Act 2 boss was a beast.  Run run run run pot shot run run run run.

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Reply #252 on: February 03, 2013, 10:42:19 PM

Yea, fuck those things. I didn't mind them so much on my Witch but on my melee toons they are awful. The only thing worse are Necros; I literally can't clear the Sin dungeon in Act 2 Cruel on my Witch because they rez casters/archers faster than I can kill them.
Keep a spare unleveled Zombie, Spectre, or Detonate Dead gem around just to dispose of corpses in necromancer dungeons.
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Reply #253 on: February 04, 2013, 06:28:53 AM

Yea, fuck those things. I didn't mind them so much on my Witch but on my melee toons they are awful. The only thing worse are Necros; I literally can't clear the Sin dungeon in Act 2 Cruel on my Witch because they rez casters/archers faster than I can kill them.
Keep a spare unleveled Zombie, Spectre, or Detonate Dead gem around just to dispose of corpses in necromancer dungeons.

Agree.  Raise or explode the bodies and you'll take care of that problem.

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Reply #254 on: February 04, 2013, 06:35:59 AM

I hated the exploding guys in the last Act 1 dungeon.  Took out minions left and right, and if they made it to me could two-shot me.  Having Skeletons would have been useful against them, but all I had were zombies.

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Reply #255 on: February 04, 2013, 06:59:54 AM

How many of you guys are running as a group?

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Reply #256 on: February 04, 2013, 12:57:05 PM


Can someone who plays explain in layman's terms what happened to him?
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Reply #257 on: February 04, 2013, 01:06:24 PM


Can someone who plays explain in layman's terms what happened to him?
He got greedy and ran for the loot without being careful
detonate undead in this list is based on the corpse's hp (for example something like 20% of the corpse's max hp) and the mob exploded the boss mob's corpse for alot of damage when the players ran next to it to loot it.
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Reply #258 on: February 04, 2013, 06:35:44 PM

RIP 58 HC 2h duelist.  1800 hp is not enough in act 1 merciless upper prison, even with max resists.  Well, at least if you're a dumbass like me who never notices shock stacks.  Died to something really easy, just a single yellow mob in a room I had full cleared.  Just didn't notice the shock stacks piling up.  :(

Character was pretty fun though.  Cleave, Flicker Strike, Leap Slam.  Definitely a bit of a rush being melee and relying on life leech hardcore.  Actually, thats part of what killed me.  You get so used to seeing your health spike up and down that it doesn't alarm you like it probably should in certain spots.
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Reply #259 on: February 04, 2013, 10:13:37 PM

I have spent so much time staring at that passive skill.... maze. The beguiling way that it suggests many builds and optimisation possibilities. Though in practice there's only a couple of keystones which will drastically change the play experience.

It also seemed to be easier to start from the defensive focus of the character and work backwards. Especially for some things like acrobatics and chaos innoculation which demand a strong focus. Likewise if your survival is based around leech/health regen then a massive life-pool looks like it will scale up nicely.

While I miss the ability to respec this recovers the D1 joy of imaging a build and then trying to work towards it. If I could respec at will I wouldn't bother thinking about it as much.

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Reply #260 on: February 04, 2013, 11:19:10 PM

Have a witch at 24 on default difficulty. It's ok so far. I dislike all the gear randomness. Small inventory and so much left on the ground... irritates slightly less than running back and forth to town. This stupid bandit quest is getting on my nerves. Hate it when games make you walk into a trap by making you talk to the enemy. Enjoying it enough to continue.

I need a better mouse though. My middle mouse button/scroll wheel clicks very poorly so I can only get that spell off 50% of the time. They did a good job on the sparks skill. The projectiles look like they're moving randomly as they purposely miss every single mob on the map.
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Reply #261 on: February 05, 2013, 12:24:14 AM

This has also grabbed me over the last week. Got a Marauder and a Ranger to Cruel difficulty, the Marauder is practically immortal but the Ranger is more fun to play, if a bit squishier.

I like the difficulty level, it feels carefully tuned, it's never a faceroll and unless you do your spec wrong it's never impossible.

The visuals are a mixed bag. The style is nice and I particularly like the fact that they don't follow the usual gaming gender stereotypes - the female characters are not all chainmail bikini-wearing double D cup amazons, in fact my ranger is positively flat-chested! Also, animated statues, both male & female anatomically correct. Well done GGG! But, graphically, it gets very messy in groups and often difficult to see mobs in the maelstrom of effects and characters. AOE abilities fired blindly into the bunfight are the only way to go.

The looting system is a disaster, don't group unless you are prepared to see your loot getting hoovered up by people faster than you. However I've read the devs responses to complaints about it and understand where they're coming from. It does feel like it needs a better solution though, maybe a party-leader selectable looting delay that was broadcast on the Public Group UI?

I am also have very mixed feelings about the skill system. I love the active & support skills gem system although it suffers slightly from the low drop rate of skill gems combined with the lack of any real trading system other than barter. That's something that'll iron itself out in time though I expect. I also love that any class can use any skill if they have the pre-reqs for it, the potential diversity that creates is immense.

The passive skill tree though.... god what a fucking mess. Great idea, and again, love the flexibility and diversity, but it's so, so easy to gimp yourself and have no way back except re-rolling. Which you may not realise until you're level 40 or 60 and have a lot of time sunk into a character that suddenly cannot progress any more. The only sensible way to play if you want to reach Merciless is to plan your character before you start. And for first time players with their first character there's no way of knowing what the right choices are other than trawling forums. That is not good design.

Sure, some people like that, it doesn't bother me, I'm used to playing a game on one monitor and having a character build or wiki open on another monitor, but it's not a game style that suits a lot of people. The silly thing is that it could be tweaked so easily by giving better respec options. I dunno, something like a 1-2 hour quest to get a full respec that can only be done twice per difficulty level? Or some "suggested builds" on the skill tree UI? Forcing people out of the game client to look up information necessary to spec their characters is terrible, terrible game design that should be consigned to history.

Anyway, TL;DR mostly I like it, they've done a much better job with this than I was expecting, but I think it needs some accessibility tweaking if it's going to have enough appeal to survive financially.

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Reply #262 on: February 05, 2013, 07:03:39 AM

I thought there was a loot rule system in place since beta, I think it was in the instance rules on the map. Then again, I only grouped with friends in locked instances personally.
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Reply #263 on: February 05, 2013, 07:40:47 AM

I thought there was a loot rule system in place since beta, i think it was in the instance rules on the map. Then again, Ii only grouped with friends in locked instances personally.

The only one I saw is that the loot is round robin but only for the first second or two that the loot drops - then it's free for all.
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Reply #264 on: February 05, 2013, 11:36:41 AM

About midway through Act II on my summoner. Finally working on beefing up my actual minions with +health, +damage and the +zomble/skellington nodes. Switched from Fireball to Freezing Pulse as my main source of support damage, with Fire Trap tossed in for funsies. I've got a +minion life gem linked to my zombies so they last slightly longer as well.

My summons still die in like two fucking hits, especially to those asshole skeleton archers who shoot the lightning arrows. I'm also running into massive mana problems, despite having a ton of Int and as much +mana as I can scrape up on my gear. Hopefully the +mana regen nodes I'll be hitting up soon on the way to Lord of the Dead will help.
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Reply #265 on: February 05, 2013, 12:12:21 PM

For you summoner/necromancer types - I only realized how to use Ice Spear when I was level 30+ so I'll share this knowledge with you all.

It says on the description that Ice Spear has a +600% critical strike chance in the second form. What this means by 'second form' is when the graphic changes after you cast it. It's a spear like ice shard for 3/4th of the screen and then it expands. This means that you want to be about a screen away from what you're casting at - which is perfect for hands off necromancer style characters.

It will say that it's lower DPS than Freezing Pulse / Fireball, but it crits nearly every hit if you're hitting targets at the correct range.
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Reply #266 on: February 05, 2013, 02:41:30 PM

I love me my ice spear. I've been getting a lot of the +crit damage nodes, and a +crit support attached to the Ice Spear gem, since that spell crits allll the time. It hits like a truck.

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Reply #267 on: February 05, 2013, 03:28:28 PM

Ice spear is bad for summoners. You can't raise a frozen broken corpse.

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Reply #268 on: February 06, 2013, 08:03:34 AM

This summoner is getting extremely frustrating. My "horde" costs an inordinate amount of mana to keep upright but die in one or two hits despite a +minion life gem for both skeletons and zombies and several +minion health nodes. They don't do jack for damage, and it's left to me to do nearly all of the heavy lifting as far as combat goes.

Looking through the PoE forums, it seems like most summoners spend nearly all of their early leveling just hopping around collecting +life and +resist nodes, and don't even start making their summons anything but one-shot cannon fodder until the 50s. If you can't really play a summoner as someone who does the bulk of their killing through actual summons until you're something like 2/3 the way through your leveling career, then what is the point?
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Reply #269 on: February 06, 2013, 08:21:49 AM

I'm not sure there is one.  I made a Claw-based Witch after I got frustrated with my summoner.  I still use zombies, but more as early warning devices.

I do want to go back to my summoner and finish getting the shield passive that gives your shield to minions.  I'm hoping that will make a big difference if I can find a good shield.

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Reply #270 on: February 06, 2013, 09:51:47 AM

That's something on my list as well.  I'm not very far but I'll give it a good shot at making a "real" necromancer.  Key skills are quite a way out there, but I suppose that's to be expected.  Meanwhile, it's fireball, fire rain, spark, and counter-intuitively, corpse explosion.  I haven't had a corpse shortage yet, then again fireball/fire rain.

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Reply #271 on: February 06, 2013, 01:29:20 PM


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Reply #272 on: February 06, 2013, 04:26:21 PM

I'm very dissapointed with necro builds.  On the other hand, having gotten Marauder to 33ish, I'm thinking of rerolling and going defensive only.  Once you get past 25 ish, upon identifying a weakness in game, it takes for fucking ever to put points in to fix it, given that the RNG seems to ensure (I know it's only in my head) that every piece of loot is not of my type or without the proper sockets.  ( I need to take more time working with the gem system and shops)

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Reply #273 on: February 06, 2013, 09:00:19 PM

I don't know what max level is but I'm 24 and so far I've had 1 blue skill gem drop for my witch. One I already had. But I have a full row of red and green in the bank. Too bad I've never increased those ability scores. Though it does give a Christmasy air to my bank. Maybe I can arrange them into a reindeer giving the rng the finger.
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Reply #274 on: February 06, 2013, 10:10:18 PM

So I got a few more levels under my belt and some more gems (Raise Spectre, Arc, Clarity, Minion Damage, and Conductivity) from a combination of quests, drops, and a kind soul who took pity on me. I also decided to say "fuck it" to conventional forum wisdom and started focusing heavier on my minion-boosting passives.

It's like night and fucking day. My zombies now hit like trucks and each one has more life than I do, the skeletons die a little quicker but not obnoxiously so, and between Conductivity and Arc, I lay down some decent damage, apply some killer Shock debuffs, and contribute to killing while not feeling like I'm doing all the work.

This is what my tree looks like at 28 now.
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Reply #275 on: February 06, 2013, 11:47:24 PM

If you're going for a late-blooming build with the intention of being playable in late game then the only way is to leech in public groups. Just join random groups where most of the party members are in the same zone and wade in. When you're over-leveled for quests etc you can solo zones however crappy your build is.

That's also a good way to get skill gems - put on a load of +rarity and +quality gear and plough through zones that are lower level than you. Skill gems don't really start dropping much until Cruel Act 2 and above though. I've got piles of spare lower level gems PalmTrees, hit me up in-game if you're after something specific. Characters I'm playing atm are AzaChorn, TengaDril, PhonMooda, Qys and LornaKrill. Yeah... I have altitis :/

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Reply #276 on: February 07, 2013, 05:49:06 AM

I don't have too many problems with getting skill gem drops.

...so long as they're green or blue. I pawned off all my blue gems onto a friend playing a witch, but I have like a dozen and a half green skill/support gems. To be fair I have pretty much all the SKILL gems I need; ground slam whenever I inevitably get pidgeonholed into using only maces since I refuse to go for dexterity nodes, cleave while I can still use axes, enduring shout, shield charge, molten shell, punishment, overlords mark.

All I really need is another life-on-hit gem and I'm set. Reduced mana cost would be nice but is not needed.

My explody tank is pretty much invulnerable outside of the fucking indoor maps stuffed with 20000 caster skellies.

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Reply #277 on: February 07, 2013, 06:55:27 AM

So I got a few more levels under my belt and some more gems (Raise Spectre, Arc, Clarity, Minion Damage, and Conductivity) from a combination of quests, drops, and a kind soul who took pity on me. I also decided to say "fuck it" to conventional forum wisdom and started focusing heavier on my minion-boosting passives.

It's like night and fucking day. My zombies now hit like trucks and each one has more life than I do, the skeletons die a little quicker but not obnoxiously so, and between Conductivity and Arc, I lay down some decent damage, apply some killer Shock debuffs, and contribute to killing while not feeling like I'm doing all the work.

This is what my tree looks like at 28 now.

Your experiences are encouraging, since I'm going for an even more minion-focused setup, plus defense (Energy Shield) while basically ignoring offense.  Currently the zombies die a bit too quickly, so I need a skeleton and spectre gem.

Getting gems and other equipment that I can't use is why I have three characters.  I could probably do with a couple more.

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Reply #278 on: February 07, 2013, 08:49:34 AM

Specter is the one I really want.  (Because I like ghosts, I don't know if it's any good.)

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Reply #279 on: February 07, 2013, 10:00:53 AM

Just picked up my first unique. Seen 2 or 3 others drop but other people got them... one was ninja'd from me. Not sure what kind of character this will be useful for though, who uses staves? Oh and it's level req 13, but it dropped in a level 45 area.


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